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    Default Donnie & Mr. Pringle's New Knicks

    Lots of different threads all on the same issue. Figured I'd start one to discuss MikeD (Pringles) new team that he is constructing.

    So far it looks like...

    Marbury out
    Barbosa and Diaw in.

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    I'm not sure I like the idea of trading 22mil that comes off the books in a few months for anything.

    BUT

    I love Barbosa. He is a likeable guy, plays hard and is a hell of a lot smarter than Crawford, who is a level or two below Barbosa in talent/skill.

    If this goes through, Cawford's gotta go next.

    On Diaw,
    I like him, Lee, and Chandler- But I would feel more comfortable if the Knicks made a move for Camby.

    Here's my reasoable squad for next year:

    Jose Calderon
    Barbosa
    Lee
    Micheal Beasley?
    Camby

    2nd Unit guys I'd like
    Diaw
    Chandler
    Nate

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    Good one starks, i see the resemblence.


    Marcus camby would be a good pickup, hes got 2 years left on his contract. Im not sure if we'd be able to work out a deal but camby is still far >>> then curry will ever be. He hasnt slowed down at all yet.

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    im kinda iffy bout tradin steph. depends on the draft.

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    I think it would be stupid and isiah-like to trade marbury and it has nothin to do with him being my favorite player. How about we let a contract expire for a change? Whats next, are they gonna trade malik rose? Diaw and Barbosa both have 4 years left on their contract.

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    Please dont ever trade a big expiring contract for mediocore talent,Bealive me we will regret it those two guys are good but not worth a contract we can pay a franchise player.Always remember we traded a big expiring contract for Shannon Anderson and the other role player from the Jazz look how that worked out.

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    Default Walsh and D'antoni would be bonifide idiots..

    If they traded Steph for those two when the real issue with hit uptempo game killer would be the slow lazy Center, and Black hole non athletic pf he has.

    I doubt this deal will go through at all. It would benefit D'antoni to play a season with what he has to see what he'll need first anyways. I don't forsee too many huge moves.

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    Mike denied saying anything about wanting marbury traded during the press conference. He said he looks forward to working with him. The only thing we can do from here is wait to see what happens this offseason. Again the only thing i hope is that we dont go for the quick fix.

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33


    Good one starks, i see the resemblence.


    Marcus camby would be a good pickup, hes got 2 years left on his contract. Im not sure if we'd be able to work out a deal but camby is still far >>> then curry will ever be. He hasnt slowed down at all yet.
    holy ****. It's like someone cloned him and put photoshoped his headshot on a can

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    Default Current Goal

    What the team should be in the near future depends on the long term goal. I do not think that either Walsh or D'Antoni is looking for a quick fix. The real question is whether the goal is to free cap space by 2010 when LeBron, Wade, Bosh and others are free agents and there is enough to entice one of them, particularly LeBron.

    If the goal is to free cap space by 2010, then, as much as I like them, Barbosa and Diaw will not work. Their sizable contracts extend beyond 2010.

    As matters now stand, the Knicks' committed 2010 salaries are Randolph at 17.33M; Curry at 11.27M; Crawford at 10.08M; and Jefferies at 6.88M. Each has three years - through 2010 - left on his contract. There are several teams with players with bloated contracts that expire in 2009. For example, Cleveland's Ben Wallace will make 14M next year and 14.5 M in 2009; Chicago's Larry Hughes will make 12.87M and then 13.6M; Indiana's Jermaine O'Neil will get 21.37M and 23.1M; and Shaquille will get 20M for the next two years from Phoenix. There are plenty of others at significant, but lesser, amounts; Thomas and Rahim at Sacramento; Simmons at Milwaukee; Blount and Haslem with Miami; Milicic and Cardinal at Memphis; Watson and Ridnour at Seattle; Mobley and Tim Thomas with the Clippers.

    If the Knicks really want cap space in 2010, they are well advised to get rid of Randolph soon. He is not likely to increase in value under D'Antoni's system. Would Chicago take him and his three year contract with a package that included Hughes with his two year contract? We do not have to like Hughes, he will be off the books in 2010. This is just one example.

    I do not think Jefferies will be easy to trade either and although he can run, he can not shoot. Crawford might thrive under D'Antoni and Howard Beck of the Times thinks there is a chance for Curry who is athletic but fat. Crawford's and Curry's trade value might increase.

    We will have a good draft pick this year and probably a good one next year. Currently we do not have a first round pick in 2010. That makes the ability to get a free agent in 2010 all the more appealing.

    If the goal is not to free cap space for 2010,or that goal is realistically unreachable, then I like Barbosa and Diaw, but I do not see Phoenix trading them for Marbury and his expiring contract.

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    I think it would be stupid and isiah-like to trade marbury and it has nothin to do with him being my favorite player. How about we let a contract expire for a change? Whats next, are they gonna trade malik rose? Diaw and Barbosa both have 4 years left on their contract.
    But they have four years in which they -- most likely -- won't slow down. They are both not old and could become valuable to assist a possible franchise-player we could get in the draft. I can't see how these two players should be in the way of a rebuilt (if it is not based on signing free agents).

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    Good move, but I rather have money off the books, but D'Antoni knows Marburys attitude problems, he is like a women in pms stage. Marbury needs what he asks for without any efforts on his part, and he never gets results he wants. I don't see why the Suns would be a trade like that, only in the matter of a 21 million dollar savings, and thats probably why they would make the trade, actually that is why. Marburys poor leadership, and attitude is seen by everyone around the league. You are right, ^^^ Jamal Crawford, and the big 2 need to go next, along with Q Rich, and all the other junk Thomas brought here, Is Malik Rose's contract ending next season too? 7 million off the books.

    As for Barbosa he needs a good point guard to make him the player he is in Phoenix.

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    Originally Posted by pat
    But they have four years in which they -- most likely -- won't slow down. They are both not old and could become valuable to assist a possible franchise-player we could get in the draft. I can't see how these two players should be in the way of a rebuilt (if it is not based on signing free agents).
    Were still givin up a chance to clear 20 million. Again it has nothin to do with marbury bein my favorite, if we were talkin about crawford i would still say let his contract expire. That should be the first priority. To say this would be an isiah type of move is going too far because at least we would be gettin value in return but its still not the answer.

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    Default Marbaury for Barbosa and Diaw aint happening!

    First off, the problem with that trade scenerio is that we would have to add another 5 million dollars coming to The Knicks to make that happen....not going to happen just for those two players. The Knicks and Suns can orchestrate that same trade using Malik Rose and Jamal Crawford. So if Mike D were insistent on having either of those players, then the Malik Crawford package would make the most sense.

    But we must also realize that Donnie Walsh wants a shot at Lebron, even if the chances are slim that we get him, he wants to put himself in position to be able to go after him, I don't think Barbosa and Diaw would be worth missing out on a slight chance at James. Both of those contracts have four more years on them. I mean Diaw and Jamal's contract are about even, but we would still eat one more year.

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    I'm the biggest Marbury hater out there, but i can't even sign off on this trade. Diaw and Barbosa are fairly solid players that would fit the system D'antonio would ideally like to play. Then again Diaw and Barbosa fit the system when Nash orchestrates it, they Knicks don't have a player anywhere near the caliber of Nash.

    Personally i'd rather Marbury never play another game with the Knicks. But i'd rather just let him sit on the sidelines then trade his expiring contract. That contract is the biggest assest we have as a trade. I know people are going to call me a Marbury hater (which i am) for saying i don't even want him play a game, but i honestly don't want him around our first round pick. I don't want Marbury warping the mind of a Derrick Rose.


    As far as fitting the system, we all know that Crawford will never be a all star but in this system i could deffinately see him excelling, I have no problem with keeping him around. And like one of the posters above mentioned i read the article in the Post today about Curry fitting the system. And it may sound crazy but it makes sense. Curry is fat and out of shape but for a guy his size he is really athletic. Obviously he'll only be able to play about 28 minutes a night in this system, but he'd excel in a quick post up system. Lee grabs the rebound and all Curry has to do is sprint to the box for an entry pass and makes a quick one step move. Not saying it'll work but the author of the article rose a few good points.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    I mean Diaw and Jamal's contract are about even, but we would still eat one more year.
    And this is why the Suns will never go for a deal involving Jamal. 20 millions of the books is everything the Knicks can offer right now.

    Lebron won't go to any team that cannot compete for the title immediately. If he doesn't want what he has right now. Consequently, you need to surround him with players that can compete.

    Originally Posted by GetRealistic
    And like one of the posters above mentioned i read the article in the Post today about Curry fitting the system. And it may sound crazy but it makes sense. Curry is fat and out of shape but for a guy his size he is really athletic. Obviously he'll only be able to play about 28 minutes a night in this system, but he'd excel in a quick post up system.
    And maybe he will even lose a few pounds running that much. *lol*

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