A very good and fair post by new new york. He gets a rep point from me.
A very good and fair post by new new york. He gets a rep point from me.
When I first saw the thread title I though to my self WTF! But I've got no negative words about Marbury. It is what it is. He's got talent no question, but Marbury isn't a team player and probably never really was. Regardless, at this point, I'd rather keep him so his 21 million can roll off of the salary cap.
In fairness Marbury can be a good asset to the Knicks under D'Antoni's system. I only fear how he will perform under pressure when we start loosing. Will he endure or abandon the team again? Time will tell. But yo, all due respect, your priorities are f'ked up if you create a shrine to a player with an attitude like Marbury.
i dont understand it. How can a majority of people hate a player on their own team, the mind boggles. Fk im not a massive fan of Crawfords but when he is on the court im supporting him 100%. Until Marbury is no longer a Knick i will be a fan, if he ended up at a rival then i would want his head on a platter.
I have heard New Yorkers eat their own but man this is crazy.
If Starbury plays the way he we know he capable of playing like how he did in Minnesota, the nets, phoenix then yes this should help the team a great deal. It seems the last years his talent hasn't really diminished but rather his aggression was taken from him do to clueless coaches. Now that we have a coach that gives palyers more freedom to paly their game Starbury should be backto his old form.
Man MSG, if it hadn't been you starting this thread, I would have thought that this is totally ironic. But as far as the mountains are concerned: to me the interview sounded as if he has done nothing so far in order to prepare for next season and "running in the mountains" was the only thing he could come up with, because he heard before that some people actually do that. But that is a mere speculation on my part. If you start a thread like this and expect "haters" -- as you call them -- to jump on, you also have to live with ironic responses.
"Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand."
Moving forward, I hope he has a great season. It will be good for him and good for the Knicks. Maybe the Christian faith he has accepted will change his thinking, or force him to think before acting.
Assuming those stories are accurate then marbury was wrong to leave the team but at the same time we gotta look at the facts:
Marbury was off to a slow start
Crawford was off to a slower start
Marburys defense was below average
Crawfords defense was poor
Marbury gets benched
Crawford is allowed to continue to suck
I can get stats of crawfords shooting percentages from november if you dont believe me, he got off to a terrible start. But somehow he continued to start while Marbury got benched for the turnover prone Mardy collins.
I wouldn be happy if that was me, and your right marbury had not lost his father yet at that point. But he did lose his basketball mentor (and his aunt). I found an interseting article about it.
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New York Knicks point guard Stephon Marbury, along with center Eddie Curry, were told they were not starting against the Phoenix Suns Tuesday night. Marbury was said to be upset about being benched and was reported to have made several disparaging remarks about Knick head coach, Isiah Thomas. Yesterday, the Knicks fined Marbury for approximately $195,000 for leaving the team - presumably in a huff - without permission. Marbury, however, is appealing his fine indicating that he was granted permission by the Knicks to take a short leave from the team.After reading the following, it appears Marbury might just well be in the right:
For 36 years, Mr. Williams, known on and around those courts as Mr. Lou, coached and mentored hundreds of talented young basketball players from Coney Island. Stephon Marbury of the New York Knicks, who had given him the Cadillac, was one of them. Sebastian Telfair of the Minnesota Timberwolves was another. Mr. Williams died of a heart attack on Tuesday afternoon in his apartment in the housing project. He was 64.
Mr. Marbury, who left the Knicks without public explanation on Tuesday, spent at least several of his hours away from the team at the housing project, called Surfside Gardens.
“My dad passed away at 3 o’clock, and Stephon was here by dinnertime,” said Robert Williams Jr., 40, Mr. Williams’s son.
Dwayne Tiny Morton, the head basketball coach at Lincoln High School in Coney Island, where Mr. Marbury played ball, said, “I mean, there comes a time when you have to stop what you’re doing, even if it is playing professional basketball, and pay your respects.”So hold up a minute. The truth finally comes out now. Marbury left the knicks to be with Robert williams family. The media never corrected themselves? They never apologized to Marbury for claiming that he left the team because he was upset with isiah? **** THE MEDIA AND MARBURY HATERS DIE!!!!!!If it is indeed the case that Marbury learned of Mr. Williams’ death, asked permission to leave the team and was granted permission, it is Knicks management that will, again end with egg on its face. It will also be an indictment on - at least - the New York NBA press corps for failing to connect Mr. Williams’ death and Marbury’s whereabouts and provide tentative explanation for Marbury’s disappearance from the team.
“He was the backbone of this whole community,” said Rodney Brown. “With talented kids, he taught them how not to be bought. With lesser players, he took them under his wing. And with kids who didn’t have money, he reached into his own pocket to buy them sneakers.”…
“Some of us went to college, some went to jail and some wound up dead; Mr. Lou stayed here with the kids,” said Ray Brown.
Some of them were allowed up to Mr. Williams apartment to view his lifeless body laid out on his bed. One of them was Mr. Marbury.
Earl Smith, one of Mr. Williams’s former players who is now a personal assistant to Spike Lee, said Mr. Marbury was in the Williams apartment “crying like a baby.”
“We lost a coach, a mentor and a grandfather — Mr. Lou was all of those things,” he said.
Just a few minutes ago on ESPN’s Mike and Mike in the Morning Show, Mike Golic, in part, said this about Marbury:
“…in his selfish thought process that the situation escalated so much that he flew back to New York…. the perception of Stephon Marbury is that he had zero thought process of his teammates…”
Now, what happens when it becomes common knowledge - not to say that it should not be common knowledge already - that Marbury was grieving in his hometown and that was his reason for leaving the team? Will there be rounds of apologies from the press? Will anyone learn a lesson from this incident and attempt to flesh out a story that, on the surface might be salacious in its nature, but when researched contains sober elements that counter its sensational superficial appearances?
Of course not.
MSG you really must have a ton of time on your hands if your starting threads for the single point of starting arguements. Most dislike Marbury and some dont, we get it... Lets finally move on.
Fact of the matter is one more year and hes gone. I don't care if he plays all 82 games or 0 as long as we let his contract expire.
Last edited by GetRealistic; May 16, 2008 at 17:25.
Wow!!! take that Marbury haters. Fk NY management for not coming out and saying this.
People should have known this a while ago but they ignored my facts about crawford recieveing better treatment from isiah then marbury (no homo).
crawfords numbers from the 2 games prior to the phoenix game:
31.03 fg% (9-29)
25% 3PT (3-12)
Heres marburys numbers from the 2 games prior to the phoenix game:
33.3% 3PT (3-9)
As for the "leaving the team" situation, we dont know the sequence of events that happened. A couple things lead me to believe that Marbury chose to leave the team after finding out about Mr. Lou's death. What about Marbury having permission to leave the team? Im not sure if Isiah would give him permission to leave the team over a fight. It sounds more realistic that they argued on the plane, arrived in phoenix, marbury found out, and then isiah gave him permission. They were still mad at each other and Isiah didnt care at that point. Maybe marbury only told Isiah about what happened and not anyone on the team, and thats why they voted for him to not play. At all other points of the season everyone on the knicks has said good things about him. Lee, mardy collins, nate robinson, zach randolph, crawford all said good things about him. I can find quotes on at least 3 players speaking positive about him if thats necessary. Lee spoke positve about him on behalf of the whole team. They all showed up and showed support at his pops funeral.
I dont remember marbury saying that isiah was trying to light a fire under him but it wouldnt suprise me. At the same time, that wouldnt matter anyways with what we know and what we dont know but what i said makes sense.
So.. why did you make this thread again? To start pointless argurements, and to show your love for Corny Island Strawberry? Thats messed up on how much Straw makes, he should be locked up for life for making that kind of money. Giving back lol, give me a brake, he is giving things away like money, shoes, etc. to get his taxes away to the community, not paying to the government, so in the long run it looks good on his profile, and he is spending money the way he wants too. So when he does this he is tax free. See there's always a reason why Strawberry does this. I am not looking forward to see another ESPN headline story of Marbury acting like a jackass. If you haven't realised it he is all about the $$$$$$$$.