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Thread: The GREAT Stephon "STARBURY" Marbury Appreciation Thread

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    See as long as Marbaury has a Knicks uniform on I'm a fan. I hope for the sake of the Knicks that he lives up to the name Starbury, that type of play got us into the playoffs. I would love to see him turn into Steve Nash next season, that would be great for our team. I would love to see Jamal Crawford turn into D Wade, or Fat Boy into D.Howard. But lets be honest here nobody is really hatin on him. Even the his biggest supporters have to admit that there are reasons to be frustrated with him at times. Just like there is reason to be frustrated with Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford, and everyone else on the team. Look he came here and we made the playoffs, all the on the court credit was given to him, not the coach, but him, fair enough. But with that comes the heat you catch when your team loses. It's the way of the world in sports, after Shaq was traded how many Laker fans were calling for Kobe's head when they missed the playoffs that next year. Now the same fans were shouting MVP for the second half of the season. In sports winning cures all, and losing highlights every flaw, and star players, coaches, and GM's are the whipping boys. Now ofcourse it was foul how Zeke sold Steph out when the going got tough, but that's just the type of GM he was. So to all the die hard Maurbaury fans, I know it is rough hearing people rip your favorite player, but in a way it is due to his high talent level, and the teams underacheiving. And his clashes with Knick coaches, players, and his involvement in the Anucha Browne Saunders case just adds fule to the fire unfourtantley. Me personally, I blame every player who doesnt bring it every night, no one player loses a game for you every night.

    To sum it up, I hope he plays at the level he is capable, I hope it is so good the Knicks want to sign him again. Ever since I heard the story that he was told on the night that he commited to GT that he would never make it, I have pulled for him. But I do at the same time understand peoples frustration with him. Hell he even said he understands the fans frustration with him, and that is why he is working so hard.
    pretty much

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    A very good and fair post by new new york. He gets a rep point from me.

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    When I first saw the thread title I though to my self WTF! But I've got no negative words about Marbury. It is what it is. He's got talent no question, but Marbury isn't a team player and probably never really was. Regardless, at this point, I'd rather keep him so his 21 million can roll off of the salary cap.

    In fairness Marbury can be a good asset to the Knicks under D'Antoni's system. I only fear how he will perform under pressure when we start loosing. Will he endure or abandon the team again? Time will tell. But yo, all due respect, your priorities are f'ked up if you create a shrine to a player with an attitude like Marbury.

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    i dont understand it. How can a majority of people hate a player on their own team, the mind boggles. Fk im not a massive fan of Crawfords but when he is on the court im supporting him 100%. Until Marbury is no longer a Knick i will be a fan, if he ended up at a rival then i would want his head on a platter.
    I have heard New Yorkers eat their own but man this is crazy.

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    If Starbury plays the way he we know he capable of playing like how he did in Minnesota, the nets, phoenix then yes this should help the team a great deal. It seems the last years his talent hasn't really diminished but rather his aggression was taken from him do to clueless coaches. Now that we have a coach that gives palyers more freedom to paly their game Starbury should be backto his old form.

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    Man MSG, if it hadn't been you starting this thread, I would have thought that this is totally ironic. But as far as the mountains are concerned: to me the interview sounded as if he has done nothing so far in order to prepare for next season and "running in the mountains" was the only thing he could come up with, because he heard before that some people actually do that. But that is a mere speculation on my part. If you start a thread like this and expect "haters" -- as you call them -- to jump on, you also have to live with ironic responses.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    When I first saw the thread title I though to my self WTF! But I've got no negative words about Marbury. It is what it is. He's got talent no question, but Marbury isn't a team player and probably never really was. Regardless, at this point, I'd rather keep him so his 21 million can roll off of the salary cap.

    In fairness Marbury can be a good asset to the Knicks under D'Antoni's system. I only fear how he will perform under pressure when we start loosing. Will he endure or abandon the team again? Time will tell. But yo, all due respect, your priorities are f'ked up if you create a shrine to a player with an attitude like Marbury.
    Over the past 2 years i see nothin wrong with marburys attitude. If anything he finally showed me that he has changed and that he now has a good attitued. This goes back to January of 2007. Sh1t was f*cked up for him last year. If your really gonna judge him on anything that happened last year then you can stop pretendin like your not biased against him. He lost 3 close people and had an ******* coach. He did what he was supposed to do from Jan. to April of 2007, unfortunatly he was unable to continue that this season but next season will be a different story.

    Originally Posted by pat
    Man MSG, if it hadn't been you starting this thread, I would have thought that this is totally ironic. But as far as the mountains are concerned: to me the interview sounded as if he has done nothing so far in order to prepare for next season and "running in the mountains" was the only thing he could come up with, because he heard before that some people actually do that. But that is a mere speculation on my part. If you start a thread like this and expect "haters" -- as you call them -- to jump on, you also have to live with ironic responses.
    Im not really concerned with how anyone responds. I feel that alot of Marbury haters dont even want to see him do good, which would explain how quickly they forgot about how well he played in the 2nd half of the 06-07 season. They judge him on one controversial move he made last year when he left the team, which can be defended. We dont even know the truth about that. People are listenin to the media, thats not a reliable source. Theres alot we dont know about what went on last year with the knicks but we do know that marbury was already under alot of stress last year at that point from losing his aunt and basketball mentor. I made this thread knowing that i would have to respond to others and thats what i'll do.

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    Over the past 2 years i see nothin wrong with marburys attitude. If anything he finally showed me that he has changed and that he now has a good attitued. This goes back to January of 2007. Sh1t was f*cked up for him last year. If your really gonna judge him on anything that happened last year then you can stop pretendin like your not biased against him. He lost 3 close people and had an ******* coach. He did what he was supposed to do from Jan. to April of 2007, unfortunatly he was unable to continue that this season but next season will be a different story.
    I didn't want to be the negative one in such an uplifting thread but I felt compelled to respond. Think back to when Marbury left the team on their toughest road game stretch. All we have to go on are reports that we read which I will admit that they can be bull****. That being said we all read multiple stories of Marbury leaving the team when he was told that we would not start and team vote or input. All of this took place before his father passed. Keep in mind that I was a strong Marbury supporter. I didn't fall for all of the selfish pg arguments and bias, but this move left a bitter taste (no homo). True he had the toughest year of his life but Marbury was also a real prick! Thomas's incompetence is relevant but doesn't dismiss Marbury's actions.

    Moving forward, I hope he has a great season. It will be good for him and good for the Knicks. Maybe the Christian faith he has accepted will change his thinking, or force him to think before acting.

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    Assuming those stories are accurate then marbury was wrong to leave the team but at the same time we gotta look at the facts:

    Marbury was off to a slow start
    Crawford was off to a slower start
    Marburys defense was below average
    Crawfords defense was poor
    Marbury gets benched
    Crawford is allowed to continue to suck

    I can get stats of crawfords shooting percentages from november if you dont believe me, he got off to a terrible start. But somehow he continued to start while Marbury got benched for the turnover prone Mardy collins.

    I wouldn be happy if that was me, and your right marbury had not lost his father yet at that point. But he did lose his basketball mentor (and his aunt). I found an interseting article about it.

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    New York Knicks point guard Stephon Marbury, along with center Eddie Curry, were told they were not starting against the Phoenix Suns Tuesday night. Marbury was said to be upset about being benched and was reported to have made several disparaging remarks about Knick head coach, Isiah Thomas. Yesterday, the Knicks fined Marbury for approximately $195,000 for leaving the team - presumably in a huff - without permission. Marbury, however, is appealing his fine indicating that he was granted permission by the Knicks to take a short leave from the team.After reading the following, it appears Marbury might just well be in the right:


    For 36 years, Mr. Williams, known on and around those courts as Mr. Lou, coached and mentored hundreds of talented young basketball players from Coney Island. Stephon Marbury of the New York Knicks, who had given him the Cadillac, was one of them. Sebastian Telfair of the Minnesota Timberwolves was another. Mr. Williams died of a heart attack on Tuesday afternoon in his apartment in the housing project. He was 64.

    Mr. Marbury, who left the Knicks without public explanation on Tuesday, spent at least several of his hours away from the team at the housing project, called Surfside Gardens.

    “My dad passed away at 3 o’clock, and Stephon was here by dinnertime,” said Robert Williams Jr., 40, Mr. Williams’s son.

    Dwayne Tiny Morton, the head basketball coach at Lincoln High School in Coney Island, where Mr. Marbury played ball, said, “I mean, there comes a time when you have to stop what you’re doing, even if it is playing professional basketball, and pay your respects.”
    If it is indeed the case that Marbury learned of Mr. Williams’ death, asked permission to leave the team and was granted permission, it is Knicks management that will, again end with egg on its face. It will also be an indictment on - at least - the New York NBA press corps for failing to connect Mr. Williams’ death and Marbury’s whereabouts and provide tentative explanation for Marbury’s disappearance from the team.

    “He was the backbone of this whole community,” said Rodney Brown. “With talented kids, he taught them how not to be bought. With lesser players, he took them under his wing. And with kids who didn’t have money, he reached into his own pocket to buy them sneakers.”…

    “Some of us went to college, some went to jail and some wound up dead; Mr. Lou stayed here with the kids,” said Ray Brown.

    Some of them were allowed up to Mr. Williams apartment to view his lifeless body laid out on his bed. One of them was Mr. Marbury.

    Earl Smith, one of Mr. Williams’s former players who is now a personal assistant to Spike Lee, said Mr. Marbury was in the Williams apartment “crying like a baby.”

    “We lost a coach, a mentor and a grandfather — Mr. Lou was all of those things,” he said.

    Just a few minutes ago on ESPN’s Mike and Mike in the Morning Show, Mike Golic, in part, said this about Marbury:

    “…in his selfish thought process that the situation escalated so much that he flew back to New York…. the perception of Stephon Marbury is that he had zero thought process of his teammates…”

    Now, what happens when it becomes common knowledge - not to say that it should not be common knowledge already - that Marbury was grieving in his hometown and that was his reason for leaving the team? Will there be rounds of apologies from the press? Will anyone learn a lesson from this incident and attempt to flesh out a story that, on the surface might be salacious in its nature, but when researched contains sober elements that counter its sensational superficial appearances?

    Of course not.
    So hold up a minute. The truth finally comes out now. Marbury left the knicks to be with Robert williams family. The media never corrected themselves? They never apologized to Marbury for claiming that he left the team because he was upset with isiah? **** THE MEDIA AND MARBURY HATERS DIE!!!!!!

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    MSG you really must have a ton of time on your hands if your starting threads for the single point of starting arguements. Most dislike Marbury and some dont, we get it... Lets finally move on.

    Fact of the matter is one more year and hes gone. I don't care if he plays all 82 games or 0 as long as we let his contract expire.
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    Wow!!! take that Marbury haters. Fk NY management for not coming out and saying this.

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    Originally Posted by Pricey
    Wow!!! take that Marbury haters. Fk NY management for not coming out and saying this.
    Im not really sure what happened, or the sequence of event. I believe that marbury clashed with isiah on the plane. After the plane landed marbury found out about the death of robert williams and left the team for that reason. Theres no proof either way but in the other thread i proved that crawford was playing worse then marbury, and with both of them being captains both of them should have been benched. Nothing can be said with certainty but now that we know more i think its fair to say that alot of the hate marbury has recieved has been unfair.

    People should have known this a while ago but they ignored my facts about crawford recieveing better treatment from isiah then marbury (no homo).

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33

    People should have known this a while ago but they ignored my facts about crawford recieveing better treatment from isiah then marbury (no homo).
    why u makin this into a marbury vs crawford thing, everybody knows marbury is much better than crawford and yeah we all know that both crawford and marbury played bad but jamal is not the one gettin paid 19million++ a year, marbury was and still is the best player on the knicks so he suppose to lead us and his game sucked so i assume that isiah was hoping that benching him would light a fire under his ass, and i believe marbury said the same thing about the benching after his short vacation where he left the knicks...and please dont make it seem isiah gave everything up for marbury cuz he traded away half the roster cuz marbury disliked them

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    why u makin this into a marbury vs crawford thing, everybody knows marbury is much better than crawford and yeah we all know that both crawford and marbury played bad but jamal is not the one gettin paid 19million++ a year, marbury was and still is the best player on the knicks so he suppose to lead us and his game sucked so i assume that isiah was hoping that benching him would light a fire under his ass, and i believe marbury said the same thing about the benching after his short vacation where he left the knicks...and please dont make it seem isiah gave everything up for marbury cuz he traded away half the roster cuz marbury disliked them
    Marbury and crawford are both captains and thats all that matters. Besides, Isiah had said last year its currys team and we know as a fact that isiah was running the offense through mcflurry, snack ransoft, and crawford. He had more reasons to bench crawterd but why marbury? I proved he was playing better offfensivley, here it is again for you.

    crawfords numbers from the 2 games prior to the phoenix game:

    13pts
    31.03 fg% (9-29)
    25% 3PT (3-12)
    4.5 Turnovers

    Heres marburys numbers from the 2 games prior to the phoenix game:

    14ppg
    37.5% (9-24)
    33.3% 3PT (3-9)
    6.5 assists
    2 steals
    3.5 turnovers

    As for the "leaving the team" situation, we dont know the sequence of events that happened. A couple things lead me to believe that Marbury chose to leave the team after finding out about Mr. Lou's death. What about Marbury having permission to leave the team? Im not sure if Isiah would give him permission to leave the team over a fight. It sounds more realistic that they argued on the plane, arrived in phoenix, marbury found out, and then isiah gave him permission. They were still mad at each other and Isiah didnt care at that point. Maybe marbury only told Isiah about what happened and not anyone on the team, and thats why they voted for him to not play. At all other points of the season everyone on the knicks has said good things about him. Lee, mardy collins, nate robinson, zach randolph, crawford all said good things about him. I can find quotes on at least 3 players speaking positive about him if thats necessary. Lee spoke positve about him on behalf of the whole team. They all showed up and showed support at his pops funeral.

    I dont remember marbury saying that isiah was trying to light a fire under him but it wouldnt suprise me. At the same time, that wouldnt matter anyways with what we know and what we dont know but what i said makes sense.

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    So.. why did you make this thread again? To start pointless argurements, and to show your love for Corny Island Strawberry? Thats messed up on how much Straw makes, he should be locked up for life for making that kind of money. Giving back lol, give me a brake, he is giving things away like money, shoes, etc. to get his taxes away to the community, not paying to the government, so in the long run it looks good on his profile, and he is spending money the way he wants too. So when he does this he is tax free. See there's always a reason why Strawberry does this. I am not looking forward to see another ESPN headline story of Marbury acting like a jackass. If you haven't realised it he is all about the $$$$$$$$.

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