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    Being optimistic about your Favorite or HomeTeam each season is good. But betting your money on a consistent losing team is DUM.

    Those who want David Lee traded from this Knick Team seem very confident in the new coach D'Antoni making winning players of a frontline rotation of players C-Jerome James, C-Curry, PF-Zach, and so-call PF-Jefferies & PF-Gallinari, which is a "JOKE" to me know matter how long I look at it. But I'm not going to knock the next member optimiscism.

    The Knicks picking players like OJ Mayo, Westbrook, Bayless, and Gordon in the draft would've meant that they were getting better decision making combo-guards then Jamal Crawford whom rookie Ben Gordon put to shame replacing him in the Bulls rotation. Getting rid of Crawful meaningless talent would've been a start at rebuilding.

    The big rumor of trading the Knicks best rebounder, hustler, and chemistry player David Lee makes no sense at all, especially when the Knicks drafted a SF with their 6th pick.

    The Knicks big trading rumors this offseason after they drafted a SF are supposed to be on trading SF-Q.Richardson, SF-Jared Jefferies, SF-Malik Rose, SF-Balkman, or SF-Chandler.
    Does'nt that make more sense?

    The Knicks second best rebounder Zach Randolph have to average 35 mpg to average 10 rebounds per game. And Zach overall talent is worth $14 million a year, when you compare that to David Lee overall talent (at making his teammates talents better) how much money should David Lee ask for if he have to be on a roster with Zach, Curry, James, and Jefferies?

    Being a long time Knick-Fan from the 1970's that does make friendly bets on the Knick game, rather than just be a fan (put your money where your mouth is), one become very skeptical about the Knicks after the tours of Layden, Isiah, and Walsh draft night. It is enough reason to be undecisive about betting one cent (Penny) on the Knicks winning a game.

    The Knicks could still be your optimistic team but when it comes to making a friendly bet on a NBA team with family, friends or in your neighborhood Bar the Knicks are not the one to bet on (Most Knick Fans would make a bet on the Lakers vs Celtics game rather than bet on the Knicks vs Nets game on a Sunday afternoon).
    Just some friendly advice...

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    CoSign to the fullest!!! How can you trade david lee??? even if he's not a star, he is top 5 in the nba in power fowards off the bench (i have no stat shee to prove this, but name a backup pf better than dlee). you dont just trade assets like david lee. i dont know aabout making his teammates better, zach is a better passer than lee, but lee hustles night in and night out, and its unfair for everyone to switch on him. artest is making his decision tonight at 9 o clock to say if he's stayin with sac, what ever happened to going after artest?
    marbury/collins
    crawford/nate
    artest/the ****
    lee/ zach
    curry/ whoever

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    Alot of Knick-Fans, B-Ball Fans, and NBA commentators during this Knick regular season will start to question coach D'Antoni's winning record in Phoenix.

    Knick Fans will question celebrity Head Coach D'Antoni NBA career?

    Did the Phoenix Suns winning system come from coach D'Antoni?

    Or was it from the old plays and style of Phoenix Star-Players Marion and Jason Kidd? inwhich PG-Kidd replacement PG-Steve Nash (the Mavs Dirk & Nash combination) passing talent improved by 60% with a scoring Bigman machine Amare Stoudemire on one side and Captain Marion on the other side?
    And having a Star Combo-Guard at SG-Joe Johnson who Defense vs Offense was hard to compare which was better (TOP-5 SG in the league) played a big important role in making the Phoenix uptempo (seven second) system work sufficient. Which automatically made PG-Steve Nash a MVP in one season for fitting into this "Joe, Marion, and Amare" system 110% like he was the last fingers in the glove.
    Marbury long dribbling, lack of creative passing skillz on a break, and forever walking the ball upcourt slowed Marion skillz down from his defensive-rebounding and pushing the ball upcourt with Jason Kidd.

    For as long as I can remember the majority of the teams in the Western Conference became Fast Uptempo Running Teams since 1976 when the ABA was combined with the NBA.
    Very few coaches did well when changing from the West Coast to the East Coast half court defense.

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    The Big mistake was bringing in Randolph, this immediately overloaded the knicks at forwards. I thought DLee was gonna be our future starter, but Isaiah brought in Randolph to mix **** up. Randolph is taking DLee's spot and money. Dlee is our newer version of Oakley ( maybe not to his level yet) and I enjoy watching his game. This is a business so now the NYK are forced to move him because he is the only value we have. If they package him with Crawford maybe get a draft pick and an expiring contract it won't be that bad. Get rid of cap space and obtain a first round draft pick, something we don't have in the following drafts. Randolph complicated things.

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    Everyone of the Knicks Players can be traded with a persistent and determined G.M., President, or Owner. Even Jerome James can be traded.

    What Knick Players that are under contract next season dont fit into coach D'Antoni system? lets see
    Does players like James, Curry, Zach, Malik, Q.Rich (whom he had traded), Jefferies, Crawford, and Marbury (whom he had traded), fit into coach D'Antoni's uptempo system?
    All of the above eight-players have big flaws in their talents and skillz at playing in an uptempo system.

    Throughout Marbury & Crawford NBA career they have always walked the ball upcourt 85% of each NBA game they have played. This have never fitted into any of their NBA coaches shemes. This is a known factor throughout the NBA scouts. And adding Raymond Felton to the backcourt with these two players on the roster is supposed to be an improvement because Felton fits into D'Antoni system.
    I'm not buying it.

    The Knicks were supposed to make some serious roster changes on draft night, even if it meant giving up the 6th pick. You had so many desperate teams out their wanting that 6th pick that Walsh gave to D'Antoni so he could please a country friend by picking his son. We could have got J.O'Neal with that 6th pick with Zach included.
    Or worked out a three team deal getting rid of Crawford, Q.Rich, Jefferies, and the 6th pick for some decent NBA team-players.

    Maybe that is the reason why Walsh did not hire Mark Jackson as the coach. Mark Jackson is more affiliated with this Knick roster and would've had Donnie Walsh "WORK" day and night three weeks before draft night on having these so-call untradeable players traded on that night with the 6th pick.<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

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    yes you do. you trade david lee to get rid of players that are deemed untradable. namely zach randolph.

    i'm not sure if salaries match, but wasn't there a rumor Lee, Randolph for maxiell and sheed?

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    yes you do. you trade david lee to get rid of players that are deemed untradable. namely zach randolph.


    Kiyaman, we have to trade lee to get other teams to get big contracts. What would you rather have, lebron, or randolph with lee. no duh lebron. and besides i hope you know that lebron stated that he would love to play in the garden and that he has some of his best games there. Anyway, i love lee and i respect him as much as you do, but this guy should be great trade bait because he does all the little things that mean the diference between winning and losing on good teams.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Everyone of the Knicks Players can be traded with a persistent and determined G.M., President, or Owner. Even Jerome James can be traded.
    Kiyaman, common. who in the right mind would want jerome james. he's a fatass, he's foul prone, he's a fatass, he has no offense, he's a fatass, he's slow, he's a fatass, and he has a bad contract. Besides, it doesn't even look like he cares about playing, he has his contract no matter what. The only way he's gone is when he's an expiring contract where he will have a .00000000000000000000000000001 percent chance of leaving. The good news though, he expires before the 2010 free agency.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    You had so many desperate teams out their wanting that 6th pick that Walsh gave to D'Antoni so he could please a country friend by picking his son.
    walsh said on an interview with brandon tierney that the relationship had nothing to do with anything. besides, dantoni and walsh have jobs, and they can be fired, so they always have to be very careful with draft picks. wy would the want to please vitiro if it means highering their chances of being fired.

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    Why shouldnt we be a little bit more optimistic.We just got rid of a guy who consitintly made bad decisions that have set this franchise back years.We replaced a coach who could not get his team to take a game seriously,who laughed at him on the bench,Who was trying to bang interns instead of run this franchise,To sum it up turned this once storied franchise into one of the worst run organizations of all times in sports.Now you knock Dantoni WHY what concrete evidence makes you think he is a bad coach,You say it was the Phoneix players that made him what he is, Ok how do you know that were you on the team did you travel day in and day out with them maybe you were at the practices or the time out huddles to hear what was going on.Look I dont know if Dantoni is gonna fail and you dont know that either.But I do have a record of winning seasons,Players florishing in his system,Him being selected to coach on team USA,And not one player saying anything but good things, All that dont mean **** but It does bring OPTIMISIM.Now you kill Walsh the guy has been here for a minute and you expect miracles, WHY are you really serious about him being able to turn this team around in a few minutes and trade all these bad contracts over night,First you must really realize how HORRIABLE this team is we dont have one player who is top ten at there position in the league and they all get superstar money how can you seriously think that this can be fixed in no time or even on draft night,Dont be blinded by what the Celtics did that does not happen very often other than them tell me another team built overnight.It takes years to build a good team from expansion with no cap restrictions and high draft picks and money to spend on whoever you like.This team has had no draft for 100 years and there completly capped out.This is not a video game this is the NBA owners of million dollar franchises not fools that have no time for mistakes, The Knicks and Isiahs reputation are gonna be around for a long time nobody is gonna look to take on the players who turned the Knicks into this Cancer and pay them to RIDDICULOUS money to come RUIN there own team.And just out of curiousity what has Mark Jackson done to have the Credentials to coach the biggest franchise in the NBA,Why would you hire him over Dantoni.Everybody says Jackson would be defensive minded how do we know this the guy has NEVER coached a day in his life NEVER and this is what you would rather have than Dantoni Im sorry it just makes no sense to me.Im not a fool I have no dreams of a parade for the Knicks anytime soon,But I do have concrete evidence of succes from Walsh and Dantoni in there past and there is why I am OPTIMISTIC

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    Originally Posted by Toons
    i dont know aabout making his teammates better, zach is a better passer than lee, but lee hustles night in and night out, and its unfair for everyone to switch on him. artest is making his decision tonight at 9 o clock to say if he's stayin with sac, what ever happened to going after artest?
    1- walsh said on one of his interviews when he first came that the artest thing would never happen.
    2- besides, where do you get the idea of randolph bein a better passer than lee. randolph is a black hole, and i don't pay attention to how well lee passes, but i do know the college system he played in was similiar to dantoni's and that meant big men passed out of the post. and experts say that lee would be good for dantoni and randolph wouldn't, so how can that be if randolph is a better passer than lee

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    have u watched a single knick game? lees best passisng attribute is his outlet passes...when he grabs a board n dishes for the break, his court vision on the outlet is above par. Randolph has the passing ability like chris webber, but he choses not to, i have seen randolph complete some sick passes this season, but they were few and far between, im not saying he is an assist man, but he has the ABITLITY, key word, ability.

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    The optimistic Knicks look like they are ready to make some roster changes after July 1st. So far PG-Duhorn is the big talk.
    Who is the Knicks G.M.?
    I am not one who likes to make numerous trades over the offseason but..... the no-chemistry Knicks for the last several seasons has to make some huge roster changes before training camp begins this offseason.
    Here's the Knick roster:


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    It may look bad as an old time Knick-Fan that out of the 14 players on the roster I only picked 5 players as "Keepers", my reason is these 5 players have chemistry in an uptempo or halfcourt game, plus they play relentless on both sides of the court.

    What players do you think on this roster could help the Knicks win 41 games next season?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    The optimistic Knicks look like they are ready to make some roster changes after July 1st. So far PG-Duhorn is the big talk.
    Who is the Knicks G.M.?
    I am not one who likes to make numerous trades over the offseason but..... the no-chemistry Knicks for the last several seasons has to make some huge roster changes before training camp begins this offseason.
    Here's the Knick roster:


    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] G- 5.9 180 "Keeper"</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] G- 6.5 190 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] PG- 6.6 220 "Keeper" </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] PG- 6.2 205 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] GF- 6.6 235 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] GF- 6.11 240 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] GF- 6.8 220 "Keeper"</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] SF- 6.8 210 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] F- 6.8 208 "Keeper"</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] F- 6.7 255</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] PF- 6.9 260 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    <TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>[Only registered and activated users can see links. ] FC- 6.9 240 "Keeper" </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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    It may look bad as an old time Knick-Fan that out of the 14 players on the roster I only picked 5 players as "Keepers", my reason is these 5 players have chemistry in an uptempo or halfcourt game, plus they play relentless on both sides of the court.

    What players do you think on this roster could help the Knicks win 41 games next season?</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
    how is mardy collins, balkman, and wilson chandler "keepers"????? none of them can make a jump shot.....maybe chandler, but not consistently....

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