2005-2006 season: record without Marbury 3-19
2006-2007 season: record without Marbury 2-6
2007-2008 season: record without Marbury 17-41
2007-2008 season: record without Mabury in the starting lineup 17-46
The Knicks will definitely be worse without Marbury. Let's compare the 08-09 projected lineup, if we have Marbury vs if we have Duhon.
PG Marbury SG Crawford SF Gallinari PF Randolph C Curry
PG Duhon SG Crawford SF Gallinari PF Randolph C Curry
Both lineups suck, but the one with Duhon looks even worse. The lineup with Duhon reminds me of a division 3 college team.
Also, the Knicks made the playoffs 4 years ago. I know that's nothing to be proud of, but Duhon can not get the Knicks to the playoffs ever.
I'm not saying that Duhon's a better player then Marbury. I'm saying he'll be a better teammate and leader then Marbury. Maybe another team will buy into the Starbury hype so we can move the dead weight. I like 15's idea about Marion.
Let's look at the facts:
Marbury averages a 19.7 points and 7.8 assists, as a starter, and he's been to the playoffs 4x. He's the ONLY current Knick to have made the playoffs with the Knicks.
Chris Duhon was given the starting job, on the Bulls, as a rookie, and he averaged 5.9 points per game, on 35% shooting. On his sophomore season, he shot 40%, on his 3rd year, he shot 40%, and last year, he shot 38% from the field, including 32% shooting in the months of January and February. He completely folded, which is why they had to start Kirk Hinrich in place of him. If Duhon is a such a great leader and a team player, why did the Bulls bench him for Hinrich?It's on this link, if you wanna see it.
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The fact that you think Duhon can do better for the team than Marbury can proves you're an idiot. Even the Bulls fans were laughing their asses off, after the Knicks signed Duhon.
Here's more interesting facts for you:
Jamal Crawford and Eddy Curry both came to the Knicks from the Bulls, and the Knicks have been a .300 team since. Duhon is not better than Crawford or Curry(sad but true).
Donnie Walsh basically got tricked. He took the trash that the Bulls didn't want, just like the Knicks took Crawford and Curry, after the Bulls were done with them.
Like I said before, Duhon would make a good backup, but as a starter, he's going to choke. The way he played as a starter for the Bulls in the past is proof of this.
The fact that you think Duhon could help the team more than Marbury doesn't surprise me, though. You were also one of the people that believed in Eddy Curry. lmao
Case Closed. I'm done talking. If you wanna keep arguing over something that you're clearly mistaken about, go ahead. If I was wrong, I would admit it. But in no way am I stupid by saying Marbury is a better leader than Duhon.
Fact of the matter is Marbury is finally gone. Now we all can move on. The day he is bought out should go down as one of the most important days in Knicks history.
The "so called" franchise player whose proclaimed every season that this is th year he is going to turn it around is finally gone. Duhon isn't as good as Marbury but its simple addition by subtraction. Just removing him from the locker room instantly makes us better.
Then we can move Zach and Crawford and try to forget the last 5 seasons.
I'm so sick of Marbury dick riders on this site, claiming he's the best player on the team. No he ain't.
See what people forget is that basketball is both a team, and rhythm sport. Marbury has proved in his career...that he is nothing more than a breaker of the locker room harmony. Sure he can score you points in bunches, and can average the numbers. But to actually play with him...is something to be desired. He'll have the numbers but they won't show up where they count...in the WIN column.
We had another player sometime ago with a ****load of baggage...his name was Sprewell. Sprewell didn't **** up team chemistry...and his talents clearly showed up in the WIN column each night. Sprewell would not have bitched at Larry Brown, or Isiah Thomas. All Spree wanted was to be treated like man which is why he got into it with P.J.'s punk ass.
The Knicks are going to try and trade that expiring contract but if they can't...just eat it. **** it. I would rather have a 30 win season...and play hard every night...than to win 50 games with Marbury only to have the team break down because that little pre-madonna bitch feels he's not getting enough shots.
Team players win for the team, not for themselves. That's something Marbury has never figured out in college, or in his NBA career.
Waste of talent. He could've been a hell of a lot better.
Duhon may not be a 5 star player...doesn't have to be. Just needs to do the job of PG..well and shut up about it. And who knows he may turn out to be better than we think. Could be he just needed the right coach, and playing time.
Marbury isn't a negative player for one reason.
Marbury has proved he can lead a .500 team in New York.
Sure, you could be an ******* and say Marbury didn't get the Knicks pass the Eastern Conferance Champions of 03-04, but Marbury did the best accomplishment than any Knick has done in the last 5 years. Thats a fact.
Knicks went 23-18 with Marbury that year and could of build of that.
You already knew what happend since I explained this to you man of times. Isiah failed to surround Marbury around shooters, defenders and get a real big man. Instead he got players like Tim Thomas, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Curry, Randolph, Vin Baker, Jerome James, Jamal Crawford, Jamison Brewer...etc and ETC. Not even guys like Kobe or Duncan could lead a team of scrubs like that.
NOW, all this crying about Marbury being a bad teammate is all media propoganda.
There have been players before who didn't have perfect history but shown they could turn it around and mature into contributing NBA players. Look at guys like Rasheed and Wells. They may not be preforming like all stars, but they're solid contributors to their respect teams.
You're WRONG, Marbury isn't gone yet. You'll never really come here with a strong case that supports the media propaganda and hate on Marbury.
These facts presented favor Marbury too much.
We never had a team established, therefor EXPECTING the playoffs is foolish. Not a single athlete in the world could lead the loser rosters we had the last 4-5 years, so why you got so much hate for Stephon? Did he piss in your frostrated flakes again?
LMAO, these people are crazy. They actually think the Knicks are gonna win games with Chris Duhon. The Bulls never won s#!t with Crawford or Curry, and the Knicks haven't won't s#!t with them, either. Chris Duhon has always had to play second string to Kirk Hinrich, because he proved he can't be a starter, after his 5 ppg and 4 assists on 35% shooting performance, on his rookie year. I'm not even going to respond to the haters. Next season, I'm just going to make a big thread that's gonna make all the haters look stupid, when Marbury wins games on another team, while we continue to play like the WNBA's Atlanta Dream. It's not official, yet, but if Chris Duhon becomes our starting point guard, I guarantee the Knicks will finish 22-60, or worse.
That isn't true at all; he's as good as making his teammates better as Robinson.
Duhon basically lacks the ABILITY and SKILL to change or impact offensively.
Chris Duhon's per 36 minute stats(these are an accurate assesment on how productive he will be as a starter)
Is this the production you look from your starter? Duhon is just a role PLAYER, he'll be new to this team and this offense and will take time to develop chemistry with his teammates. This is a HUGE degrade from a 20 and 8 PG in Marbury.
I honestly rather have someone like Keyon Dooling(better defender) or Arroyo(better offensive player) than a very limited NBA player than Duhon.
This is like saying we should have made Luke Longly our starting center because at the time he was the only Knick with a championship ring. This point proves only that Marbury can score and has handles. We all know this already. No one is denying that Marbury has talent. There's no question that one on one Duhon will get burned by Marbury, but this aint And1 this is the NBA we're talking about. Who's a better fit for the team? But your dickridery aside and think about it logically. Marbury is a born scorer so unless he's a shooting guard he's nearly useless to us.Originally Posted by abcd
Marbury is and always will be a shoot first point guard. That is what it is, but the attitude is the real problem. Read some of his interviews. He shows no indication of wanting to change. It's like talking to some one with a problem who doesn't even acknowledge that there is a problem. It becomes a pointless conversation.
So your point is that Duhon has a lower shooting percentage then Marbury? Teams that have point guards as they best scorers typically lose games. Yes you have your Isiah Thomas' and Chris Paul's but they are very rare and Marbury isn't on the level of ether of them. While your looking up stats how many minutes did Duhon average in the last two years? Wasn't it less than 20?Originally Posted by abcd
How do you measure a leader? There's no stat for leadership and motivation. It's not my intention to rip Marbury apart, there are plenty of reporters that will do that, but do you really think that Marbury is a vocal leader for the Knicks? When the Knicks are losing does Marbury inspire his teammates or does he sulk with a towel over his head? Maybe you know something that I don't but it wasn't Eddie Curry or Jamal Crawford that yelled 'I got so much **** on coach, he can't bench me!' But maybe you think there's a media conspiracy and all of these reports are false.Originally Posted by abcdefg
You can do what you do best, though, and keep supporting Eddy Curry. I'm sure he's going to be the next Hakeem Olojuwan. He just needs time. He's young, he's only 25. lol
Keep supporting Chris Duhon. He's young, he's only 27. He'll lead the Knicks like Gary Payton led the Sonics.
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Team Starbury W
My opinion on the topic is that I'm fine if we ditch Marbury. However, we better be getting something in return thats worth it.
1)Is Duhon better than Marbury skill wise? No.
2)Is Duhon a better leader? Who knows. MArbury never lead and I really can't say that Duhon did in Chi-town. Just because you are the PG doesn't mean you're the team leader. So all lockerroom stuff is kinda void when it comes to expecting it from the PG.
3)Is it a waste to get Duhon? No. Why? He provides a fresh person and perspective to the team. He is a player who was never touched by Isiah. He'll pass and play D, the things that Steph usually forgets about.
In conclusion, should Steph be gone? No he shouldn't, but I'm willing to accept that fact that he is as long as the Knicks get equal value even though his value is quite low right now.