Terrible at defense.
Not even a good shooter in the NBA, he shoots as bad as Duhon.
The ****ing guy shoots 37% FG and 33% 3pt and 71% FT
What is he GOOD at? He was awful anytime he played. His game isn't built for the NBA.
11 points in 30 minutes too...dude is just terrible at everything he does. He has no real strengths.
So what do you think the spurs chances are without Duncan? Get real Ginobili is a good player, but he's the beneficiary of Tim Duncan's absolute greatness. Duncan is the only spur, besides Robinson, that will be heading to Springfield.
Stojacovic - Folds in the playoffs after great players get him somewhere (Chris Webber)
Dirk Nowitzki - elite cause the media says so. Josh Howard was the only one who showed up in the Finals Vs. Miami. He (Dirk) got shut down by...Udonis Haslem.
Pau Gasol - If you watched this years finals, you know the answer to this one as well. Dunked on Garnett in the series. Then proceeded to have an on court view of how to play PF by KG, who killed him. Don't believe me? Then why'd the Lakers lose by 39 in the deciding game?
Andrei Kirilenko - Spends more time crying than playing. Paul Milsap has made where Utah is now considering offers for AK-47, who 2 seasons ago was untouchable.
Saying these cats are busts are reality. Not hate. Are there more busts that are american? Sure, that's by volume. Not everyone can be a star. If you were starting a team tommorow, you wouldn't pick any of the aforementioned players first. You pick an American. The fact of the matter is the nba is dominated by Black american males. Don't like the reality go watch some other league.
If people would look at Dirk's numbers thye would realize that he is by far the bet international player in the game right now bar none. He gets all sorts of abuse for his recent playoff struggles but the fact is his team ran into an unstoppable Dwayne Wade once in the Finals and collapsed and then lost to their old coach, Nellie. Dirk's chance at a championship may have passed with the Mavs' aging roster but he is legitimately a great player don't fool yourself.
Last edited by pat; Jul 08, 2008 at 05:04.
"Those who believe in telekinetics, raise my hand."
The fact of the matter is simple mathematics...of course there is statistically going to be more American busts..for the simple fact...we've been doing it longer in OUR league. PERIOD. You can go back to the very first NBA draft..and go down through the lists of busts.
Second point, to be considered a bust generally you're talking about guys drafted in the Top 15 of players...as being the cream of the crop.
All the names Metro sat up here and dropped...3/4 of them cats weren't expected to be GREAT NBA players. A handful were expected to be seriously earth shattering. Each NBA draft the pickings are much slimmer than say the NFL..which has 7 rounds...compared to the NBAs' 2 rounds.
The NFL u got a better chance at finding a diamond in the rough because frankly it is deeper...in the NBA the opposite effect simply because you have less rounds. So the evaluation process can't really be as in depth...nor can u really "covet" talent because it's just so slim...that if you know about them..chances are 6-7 other teams know about em...just that y'all rank differently.
But as far as European and other International players like (Bogut excuse me an Aussie) are concerned...all of them with the exception of like Manu were drafted extremely high. And if you are GOING TO WASTE a pick on an international player that is going to need much more transition...you damned right he better be Kobe, or KG in the next few years. Because American players don't have to adjust to the American game, don't have to learn the language, the customs.
I've yet to see a European equivalent to Shaq, KG, Kobe, Deron, CP3.
WE'RE STILL WAITING....
Europe and International players alike produce shooters for the most part. That is it...
The best European player really in counting from 80s..honestly, was Drazen.
Shaq's proven he can win in crunch time..!!!
And they are supposed to be the International elites.
Successful EUROLEAGE?? C'mon that's like being proud your a star on Junior Varsity.
Everyone mark the 2nd post from this as the weakest reply in Knicksonline.com history.
You're really opinionated right now.
I brought you solid facts, historical documents, past draft history, and broke it down to support my arguement.
All you brought me was a ****ty opinion.
I'm really disappointed, I guess you just got a hate for Euros and can't really say much except a lot of caca.
You say they been doing it longer, aren't you contradicting yourself?
If they've been doing it "longer" they should be least American bust.
You failed yourself again, how can you debate against yourself and lose? This is embarrassing and this is what happens when you don't know your **** and just talk a lot of opinionated ****.
"All the names Metro sat up here and dropped...3/4 of them cats weren't expected to be GREAT NBA players."
Gordo, what proof do you have of this? What really supports a statement like that is that is so invalid?
Do you really want me to bring out the projections for all the American bust?
Do you know what DRAFT projections are?
If you're picked 1-15, you're expected to be a productive NBA starter; thats always been the case.
KnicksFan4Realz, how did these following players adjust to the "American Game" in the NBA?
Last 10 years 1998-2008, NBA draft lottery bust from U.S.A.
1998(LOL majority bust)
1999(Good draft, Ginobili happened to be the best player from this draft and went number 58)
2001(LMAO Gasol happened to be the best player from this draft)
Shane Battier(Role players aren't drafted at 6, 10 and 4 for his career)
Rodney White(LMAO, he's playing in Puerto Rico now)
2002(Yao, yet another INT'L best player from the draft)
Our very own, Jared Jeffries
I didn't list Dunleavy or Gooden, but they didn't turn out to be anything special for number 3 and 4 picks.
Juan Dixon (successful college player, terrible NBA player)
2003 was one of the greatest drafts in NBA history.
T.J. Ford didn't live up to hype, got traded 3 times already.
Hinrich is average.
Marcus Banks is a scrub
Collinson is average
Troy Bell and Reece Gaines aren't even in the NBA.
Emeka Okafor(didn't live up to potential for # 2 pick)
Sebestain Telfair(sorry, he's one of my favorites but was another USA lottery bust)
The arguement isn't about who's equal to Shaq or any MVP caliber player even though its hilarious that before Kobe, the last 3 MVP awards went to International players in Dirk and Nash. That ****s on your argument that INTL players can't be the most valuable player in the NBA, because it already happened.
America is the best basketball talent country in the world.
Right now, the best basketball team in FIBA is Spain.
USA has a chance to take that title and regain Dominance.
This isn't about USA vs INT'L because USA is superior in talent.
But you presented yourself in this thread as totally ignorant of INT'L players and most of the NBA for that matter. You should stick to chit chatting about the NFL.
Okur was Detroit's 6th man and won a ring with that team, you forget because you do things like that.
Ginobili, Parker, Restorovic were starters on a the championship Spurs. 3 INTL players out of 5 in the starting 5.
What else could I say really? You haven't proven anything, at ALL.
Also Kobe Bryant has played in Italy when he was young.
most of those players had very bad injuries and werent projected to be great anyway, alot of overseas players are always to be projected to be the next peja/nowitzki/kukoc