i gotta question: WHy the hell was this thread made???Like forreal, since when the hell did we like zach randolph anyway??We all know he's not the greatest teammate
I think this is a great thread. GoKnicksDLee42 provided some excellent facts that were undeniable to the Marbury haters.
I'm disappointed that Zach Randolph isn't going to training camp. He was quoted as hard working, by the Blazers organization, following the Knicks' trade for Randolph(it's hard for you to average 23 and 10 and not be hardworking). During an interview with Gus Johnson, he said that he was going to work hard, and he also mentioned that he was a changed man. In the 07-08 season, he showed up to practice daily, and he even tried to play through his injuries. Now he wants to get lazy. Randolph must really be stupid. If he shows up to the Knick pre season out of shape, Walsh needs to pull the trigger on his fat a$$ and send him to the Grizzlies. I still think Curry and Richardson need to go before Randolph, because they've already shown their true fat selves, but if Randolph wants to start slacking like Curry and Richardson, then let them all find a home with the Memphis Grizzlies, Seattle Supersonics, and the Minnesota Timerwolves(3 teams expected not to make the playoffs next year) so that they could learn to appreciate what they have in New York.
Marbury is are ONLY STAR PLAYER!! He has not lived to the hype as a Knick but he is are only STAR!
Haters can say what they want about him but none of it is sensible! He has not won on this level but till this year neither did Pual Peirce!
Skills wise hands down are only star player! Cutting him with new management and a new system is just not smart! Give him the chance to show his skills! And maybe D'Antoni can best use his skills!
If that does not work then decide if you want to cut him!
There is no doubt that Marbury, I hate calling him "starbury", has the talent to be a great player when his head is screwed on right. However, the problem is his head is only right every other day/game, as the case may be.
We've heard all this BS about this being Marbury's "year" before. We heard it when Wilkens was around and then Larry Brown, then when Isiah took over. I'll believe this will be Marbury's year when I see it. That being said, we're not going win this year anyway and this being Marbury's last year, whether he stays or not is immaterial. The point being we have to move on without him.
I really think Steph and playing at home are just not a good mix,So far to be honest there hasnt been a good mix for him anywhere.Talent wise he is tremendous I have followed him and watched him play in High School,Rucker park,And at the garden the guy can flat out play but lets be honest why is there so much bull**** involved with him it cant be everyone else we have to admit that he dont live up to his contracts and some of the problems he has he brings on himself you cant deny that no matter how big of a fan you are.There are guys that just cant play at home perfect example for those of you who follow boxing Zab Juddah more talent than almost anybody out there but if he would have just stayed away from Brooklyn he could have been one of the best.I see these guys out in clubs nights before games days before fights.It is just impossiable to do both and that is the reason Steph will never succed in New York.His first priority has always been himself never the game of basketball or his team thats why nobody wants to play with him in Minnesota he had a great chance to be another Malone and Stockton with Garnett there and they were both young and he didnt want to stay.I have always been a fan of Steph he comes from CI and I always want people from the five boroughs to shine but there has to be a point when enough is enough.If he really wants to give back to this game he should have no problem getting into all star form and having a tremendous year because he has the talent to do so and with Dantoni he should have a big year.If not put a wrap on all the talk about Steph being anything more than a selfish bum
we always gotta remember there was a reason dallas didn't resign nash... d'antoni's system saved his career... can it do the same for steph? maybe... let's give him a chance to compete for the starting spot before we talk about buying him out...
But when it's time for war
I'm trying to score like Bernard King
"Behind Closed Doors"
Are you really upset about Randolph's involvement in a fight. This is NY. Knicks are suppose to fight. If anything the fight is reason enough to keep him and move Curry.
Here's what you Starbury dickriders fail to understand, Marbury's not a leader. Show me a stat for leadership and motivation. Here's a few stats for you.
04/05 Season: Marbury's first season as a Knick.
Averaged 21.7 PPG 8.1 APG
Lead the Knicks to 1st round playoff sweep.
05/06 Season: 16.3 PPG 6.4 APG
06/07 Season: 16.4 PPG 5.4 APG
07/08 Season: 13.9 PPG 4.7 APG (Lower average due to injury)
You see, stats can say what you want them to say. Your stats indicate that Marbury is the salt of the earth and gets his teammates involved. My stats indicate that Marbury can't lead his team out of the first round of the playoffs and can barely lead them to the playoffs at all. Your argument is flawed as is the argument of most that blindly support Marbury because instead of focusing your argument on him you bring up Randolph, which has absolutely nothing to do with Marbury's productivity or lack thereof. When the topic of Marbury arises it is typical for his riders to bring up everyone on the team to shift the focus from Marbury's ineptitude.
I think if you examine marburys teammates you can see why the knicks havent been able to make the playoffs. Curry and crawford are both d-league players. Jared jeffries and malik rose are scrubs. Quentin richardson has been injury prone and this year he did nothing for us. Zach Randolph is just as talented as he is selfish.
Your hatred towards marbury blinds you from all the other factors involved. Marbury hasnt even been the franchise player since curry got here so why even bring him up? And we know that isiah chose to run the offense through crawford, curry and randolph last year. Marbury barely even played.
You put Steve Nash or tony parker on this team instead of marbury and the results would still be similar. Nash's assists would go down a couple just like we saw with marburys. You cant blame any individual on the team...its the way the team was constructed and who did that? Isiah thomas
The reason this thread was created is extremely obvious. Its a chance for "Team Starbury" to agree with each other and force their agenda on everyone else, calling them a "hater" if they disagree with them. Hell, I've been called a hater and hes was my favorite player in the league. Its really just meant to create conflict and arguing so that "Team Starbury" can continue to claim "wins" and keep adding onto their imaginary win count. Its really just a demonstration of childish anticts and needs to be stopped. Its impossible to say anything bad about Starbury without being labeled a hater.
Guy 1:"Man, the new starburys are so ugly"
Team Starbury: "**** you hater! Faggot. Steph is the greatest thing to happen since gay rights. **** you racist.Etc..."