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    Great post, tuner, one of the best I've seen on this site. This guy was way out of line, trying to play down kids having their arms, legs and faces blown off: Christian values, I suppose. Kids are innocent, Paul... they just want to go to school and play with their friends. So, like tuner, I have some ill will towards you.

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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    First of all, McCain was philandering around town, with different women, after his loss of freedom. Secondly, you can't compare living under a dictator to living in a cage, like McCain did. Thirdly, this country has installed dozens of dictators, stealing freedom from millions, all over the world. So please, unless you educate yourself to the history of this nation's foreign policy, don't say anything about the United States spreading freedom.

    When it comes to my ability to speak on freedom, as a person who has not had the ideal life experience, I know, as do many, what it is like to live without freedom. After all, freedom is as much a state of mind and heart as it is a political/civic state. In fact, most people living under dictators don't care about it, on a daily basis: they still live in their homes, they have husbands and wives, work, eat and get on with it. So, I don't really know what you mean, when you say that we needed to blow people's arms off in order to save them from lack of freedom.

    As for me, I'd keep my arms and let a dictator have this country. I'm not interested in politics, in who runs what or what they decide. This time around, I'm interested because I can't stand anymore poor Arabs being blown up. I saw an 8 year old saying that he hates America on BBC TV, he had no arms and no legs, no God damn limbs! This is why I'm going to vote, for the first time since 2000.

    McCain lost his freedom, but he was a soldier, not a civilian, when he was captured, and he's walking around with his wife and kids, 8 houses and a large bank roll, I don't want to hear anything out of that punk, when it comes to hating war. All talk. Obama, on the other hand, refuses to give his support to the surge, he knows that the whole thing was wrong.

    AGAIN, there was no need for these kids, women and old people to be blown up, disfigured, while people like you sit around talking strategy and repeating whatever comes out of his or her political party. You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself. If I were you, I'd shut up and cut my losses.
    If you watched the interview with Bill O'Reilly and Obama, Obama admitted that he made a wrong decision in not supporting the surge. So now that we have the Surge talk done with your nominee saying it was a success, are you still keeping your vote?

    BTW, McCain's wife has the money, not him smart one. He was fortunate to have some money. I think a guy that went trough all of that deserves something more than your insults.

    And about the kids, I said I morn them and I give to charities and do my part to the best of my ability to help kids not as fortunate as me. So don't talk to me like I'm some kind of evil dictator that doesn't care about children. You have to stop living in a box and see what other countries do to children. You say we are the terrorist and we're killing everybody. It's all accidents, you think the captain and general join up to find ways to blow up children? On the other side, terrorism is all about taking innocent lives for the glory of Allah to be in heaven with over 70 virgins. Now tell me which side should be stopped? You have accident vs murder using suicide bombings. Take your pick.
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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    Great post, tuner, one of the best I've seen on this site. This guy was way out of line, trying to play down kids having their arms, legs and faces blown off: Christian values, I suppose. Kids are innocent, Paul... they just want to go to school and play with their friends. So, like tuner, I have some ill will towards you.

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    It's accidents caused by War, and the end result is Freedom.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    If you watched the interview with Bill O'Reilly and Obama, Obama admitted that he made a wrong decision in not supporting the surge. So now that we have the Surge talk done with your nominee saying it was a success, are you still keeping your vote?

    BTW, McCain's wife has the money, not him smart one. He was fortunate to have some money. I think a guy that went trough all of that deserves something more than your insults.

    And about the kids, I said I morn them and I give to charities and do my part to the best of my ability to help kids not as fortunate as me. So don't talk to me like I'm some kind of evil dictator that doesn't care about children. You have to stop living in a box and see what other countries do to children. You say we are the terrorist and we're killing everybody. It's all accidents, you think the captain and general join up to find ways to blow up children? On the other side, terrorism is all about taking innocent lives for the glory of Allah to be in heaven with over 70 virgins. Now tell me which side should be stopped? You have accident vs murder using suicide bombings. Take your pick.
    Islam is strictly anti-violence. But you've never thought of reading the Quran and actually taking a walk in others shoes. If you'd ever done such a thing you'd be off your high horse.

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    Islam is strictly anti-violence. But you've never thought of reading the Quran and actually taking a walk in others shoes. If you'd ever done such a thing you'd be off your high horse.
    The Koran has over 109 versus of violence, do your research.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    The Koran has over 109 versus of violence, do your research.
    Still fewer than in the Bible.

    Islam is a religion of peace generally. Fanatics twist it to justify their actions.

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    First of all, Paul, both books: the bible and the koran, are horrifically violent and threatening to non-believers. That is not my opinion, that's a fact. Why are they both so violent and threatening? Simply because they're both the product of the same race: afroasiatic semites, the Arabs and the Hebrews.

    Now, moving on, how dare you minimize what these kids are going through? Just shut up about it, at the least. Why say some stupid **** like that? Islam promises their people stuff, just like Christianity promises a fool like you stuff. It's how they keep idiots, like you, coming back.

    As for the help you've offered these kids, please elaborate. I'd like to know what you've done for these kids. And, yes, we are terrorists, we do terrorize people. If you don't know the history of our foreign policy, look it up. Otherwise, shut your mouth.

    Let me give you a crash course... In 1954, we ousted the sovereign government of Guatemala, led by president Arbenz (democratically elected), after the nation of Guatemala confiscated a fruit plantation given to Americans by the previous dictator, a man in the United States' pocket. Flugencio Batista, Cuban dictator, propped up by the Us, was overthrown by Castro. Now that we lost OUR dictator in Cuba, we won't associate, in anyway, with the nation of Cuba. In 1971, we had Salvador Allende, democratically elected president of Chile, assassinated by General Augusto Pinochet, who went on to be a brutal dictator for 20 years, killed tens of thousands and was beloved by Washington, DC. Should I mention Argentina and Gattierri? The Dominican Republic and Juan Bosch, who was chased out of his own country, by the CIA, after winning a fair election? Should I mention Trujillo, brutal, torturous dictator, who was installed by the US for 40 years? Should I mention the Somoza dynasty, in Nicaragua, who ruled with the support of successive US governments for almost 100 years?

    Only one president had the guts to cut off funding to dictatorships: Jimmy Carter. He did the right thing, even though years of US sanctioned oppression bit us on the butt, when the Ayatollah Khomeini took US hostages in Iran. What you have to ask, though, is whether that would have happened in a situation where we let people rule themselves.

    So, Captain America, don't talk to me about this country bringing freedom to the world. It's uneducated, bible thumping conservatives that have allowed Bush to rape our economy, our troops and an innocent nation. Knowledge is power, get some.

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    Still fewer than in the Bible.

    Islam is a religion of peace generally. Fanatics twist it to justify their actions.

    Sura 5:51, that quote tells alot.

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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    First of all, Paul, both books: the bible and the koran, are horrifically violent and threatening to non-believers. That is not my opinion, that's a fact. Why are they both so violent and threatening? Simply because they're both the product of the same race: afroasiatic semites, the Arabs and the Hebrews.

    Now, moving on, how dare you minimize what these kids are going through? Just shut up about it, at the least. Why say some stupid **** like that? Islam promises their people stuff, just like Christianity promises a fool like you stuff. It's how they keep idiots, like you, coming back.

    As for the help you've offered these kids, please elaborate. I'd like to know what you've done for these kids. And, yes, we are terrorists, we do terrorize people. If you don't know the history of our foreign policy, look it up. Otherwise, shut your mouth.

    Let me give you a crash course... In 1954, we ousted the sovereign government of Guatemala, led by president Arbenz (democratically elected), after the nation of Guatemala confiscated a fruit plantation given to Americans by the previous dictator, a man in the United States' pocket. Flugencio Batista, Cuban dictator, propped up by the Us, was overthrown by Castro. Now that we lost OUR dictator in Cuba, we won't associate, in anyway, with the nation of Cuba. In 1971, we had Salvador Allende, democratically elected president of Chile, assassinated by General Augusto Pinochet, who went on to be a brutal dictator for 20 years, killed tens of thousands and was beloved by Washington, DC. Should I mention Argentina and Gattierri? The Dominican Republic and Juan Bosch, who was chased out of his own country, by the CIA, after winning a fair election? Should I mention Trujillo, brutal, torturous dictator, who was installed by the US for 40 years? Should I mention the Somoza dynasty, in Nicaragua, who ruled with the support of successive US governments for almost 100 years?

    Only one president had the guts to cut off funding to dictatorships: Jimmy Carter. He did the right thing, even though years of US sanctioned oppression bit us on the butt, when the Ayatollah Khomeini took US hostages in Iran. What you have to ask, though, is whether that would have happened in a situation where we let people rule themselves.

    So, Captain America, don't talk to me about this country bringing freedom to the world. It's uneducated, bible thumping conservatives that have allowed Bush to rape our economy, our troops and an innocent nation. Knowledge is power, get some.
    You have your points when comparing but when contrasting the Bible and Koran take in mind that the Koran brings a hate towards Christian and Jews which is in Sura 5:51. The Bible says that non-believers will get their opportunities to believe in Him, Jesus, and they will get chances over and over again but there is only Heaven and Hell, no in between. The Bible doesn't threaten, but it helps tell people about being evil and the fate of it, so that people don't have to suffer that fate of Hell. Islam however threatens to kill people if they convert to another faith, the Bible has no kind of claims what so ever. Now Radical Islamist perform Jihad, or a holy war because they think either they can speed up prophecy or die and go to heaven with over 70 virgins. I have heard mixed things about it being twisted and not twisted so I'm taking this from a third angle. Now the Crusades were something i never agreed with and the people performing them weren't following the Bible because the Bible doesn't talk about converting people by force let alone a war against the Islamic race. Radical Islamist do twist the Koran around but there are parts in the Koran like Sura 5:51 which talk about not trusting Christians and Jews for they join together to plot against the Muslims. Some people say the Koran is twisted and some say that it really talks about violence. Also take in fact that they are very different in belief where believing in Jesus is all you need to do to gain salvation were they have to pray 6 times a day and be committed to the 5 pillars of faith. It's a work-related belief were my belief isn't, that's what I think stands out about my belief the most.
    Also people in places like Iran have been converting to Christianity like never before because they say that they live in fear when being forced to believe in the Koran or death. If a Muslim person converts to Christianity or Judaism they have a price on their head. A complete difference from the Bible when talking about what they preach and practice.

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    The bible says similar things about non-believers, you know that. Now, with Islam, it's violent, just like the bible, but, again, it's made by the same race of people. And, just because it says something, it doesn't mean that every single person will follow every single order, just like Christians don't follow every single part of the bible. For example, Christians don't abstain from crab and lobster. You should also refer to the Sunnah, which is the Islamic text for proper conduct, before commenting.

    I've studied Islamism/radical Islam, etc. It is not part of most Muslims' beliefs. Most Muslims' belief system. Sayid Qubt, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, created the ideology that led to terrorist attacks on the US. Prior to attacking the US, his group, and others like it, inflicted massive numbers of deaths, and terror, on their own people, if they felt that a person was not following the way of the prophet.

    The bottom line is that kids are innocent. In other words, they don't care about your politics, if Bush has a beef with Saddam, etc. As such, they don't deserve to be maimed and disfigured. You shouldn't even bring that up, when addressing the issue. If anything, you should feel sorry for happily supporting death and war, when this is what results.

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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    The bible says similar things about non-believers, you know that. Now, with Islam, it's violent, just like the bible, but, again, it's made by the same race of people. And, just because it says something, it doesn't mean that every single person will follow every single order, just like Christians don't follow every single part of the bible. For example, Christians don't abstain from crab and lobster. You should also refer to the Sunnah, which is the Islamic text for proper conduct, before commenting.

    I've studied Islamism/radical Islam, etc. It is not part of most Muslims' beliefs. Most Muslims' belief system. Sayid Qubt, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood, created the ideology that led to terrorist attacks on the US. Prior to attacking the US, his group, and others like it, inflicted massive numbers of deaths, and terror, on their own people, if they felt that a person was not following the way of the prophet.

    The bottom line is that kids are innocent. In other words, they don't care about your politics, if Bush has a beef with Saddam, etc. As such, they don't deserve to be maimed and disfigured. You shouldn't even bring that up, when addressing the issue. If anything, you should feel sorry for happily supporting death and war, when this is what results.
    OG, i don't happily support death and war. How many times did i say I don't like war? I feel that the only reason we should go to war is for our protection, if we are attacked first and most of all....freedom. Anything else is unnecessary. If we are threatened, War should be the last option, but if it's the only way to protect ourselves or remain free, then it has to be done. And even though you think that we don't help people by going to certain wars such as Vietnam and Iraq, then that is your view. In history, what other country has helped countries try to be free from the governments that use to be in fear? You think WW2 would have been won without us? The horrible imaginations are endless if you think about the USA always being neutral and laying back. I mean no one helps, except us. We tried to help the Vietnamese along with trying to stop Communism in the process and we failed, at least we tried. We are trying to get rid of terrorism, who else is helping stop radical dangerous groups such as Al-Queda, Hamass, etc? And don't say the U.N because they do nothing. I met a former slave once called Simon Deng, a man I admire completely. He said that the U.N never helped him when he was in Africa. I'm not sure if he was in Darfur or some other part of Africa. This man escaped villages raided by rebels, and I'm pretty sure his family was killed in one raid, shot in front of his eyes, and he said he tried everything to get the U.N to help and they never came. The U.N is a joke. And we helped. The USA helped him not the U.N not anyone else. Because of us he is free, and he is not livnig in terror, this is a clear example of why I have these views.

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    the title of this page is "OBAMA BIDEN"

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    Originally Posted by jpz17
    the title of this page is "OBAMA BIDEN"

    I know, most of these hangout threads go off topic.

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