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    What has Barack Obama accomplished that makes John McCain and Palin look less experienced? I would love to know because as of right now Palin, the VP, has more of a resume than Barack does.

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    Are you kidding? That woman was in charge of one of the smallest states, insofar as population is concerned, in the union. She's a glorified city councilwoman. When you're dealing with one million people, a board of ed. with 20 schools in it, a system of 4 hospitals and a fire department with 20 trucks in the whole state, you're not really experienced.

    Palin is also a dumba**, she sounds like that Miss teen USA South Carolina. Biden is also dumb, Obama and McCain are the two brains in this thing, but Obama is much more sensitive to the issues and to the effect our actions can have on other parts of the world, not just ours.

    Again, Republicans have failed. Democrats will fail in other ways, but they're not infiltrated by neocons and will likely keep us out of unnecessary conflicts.

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    John McCain only met Palin once before selecting her as his VP, and only briefly at a rally of his in Alaska. The idea was suggested by someone in his inner circle and he then phoned her for an hour, and made the decision. Just something I've like to share.

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    Well, tuner, she's just not experienced enough. This is not a big state, by any stretch of the imagination. If she had been in congress, the federal work she might have been doing would have made that a moot point. However, she was working in a small, isolated state. Fact is that she seems to stupid to be a different kind of VP. Biden also seems stupid, but I'm looking at the lesser of two evils.

    This woman is so full of it that she can't even help her daughter be grounded in values, so that she's not sleeping around at 15 or 16. I believe in strong values, and teaching kids not to have sex before the right time, but I actually have a brain and would help my kid understand why, the meaning of love, rather than sex, and the state of the world and why it's not the best time to bring kids into the world. Instead, she's raised her daughter to be a dull, dumb little brat. I don't want to hear anything from someone like that, about family values or abortion.

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    John McCain only met Palin once before selecting her as his VP, and only briefly at a rally of his in Alaska. The idea was suggested by someone in his inner circle and he then phoned her for an hour, and made the decision. Just something I've like to share.
    He has guts. And she probably had a good first impression. She wasn't the only female option. She has a resume that Democrats should stop ignoring.

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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    Well, tuner, she's just not experienced enough. This is not a big state, by any stretch of the imagination. If she had been in congress, the federal work she might have been doing would have made that a moot point. However, she was working in a small, isolated state. Fact is that she seems to stupid to be a different kind of VP. Biden also seems stupid, but I'm looking at the lesser of two evils.

    This woman is so full of it that she can't even help her daughter be grounded in values, so that she's not sleeping around at 15 or 16. I believe in strong values, and teaching kids not to have sex before the right time, but I actually have a brain and would help my kid understand why, the meaning of love, rather than sex, and the state of the world and why it's not the best time to bring kids into the world. Instead, she's raised her daughter to be a dull, dumb little brat. I don't want to hear anything from someone like that, about family values or abortion.
    Oh boy OG you got it wrong. This response to your first paragraph. Alaska is not a huge state in population but is geographically with much importance with Oil. She has more experience than Barack Obama and that's the joke about the whole Democratic campaign. Even Clinton would have been better. She has a history of being in the Whitehouse. This guy has a history of being a "community organizer." Didn't anyone see Rudy Guliani tear up Obama about his "experience."? It was the funniest speech I have ever heard because he was right. From a guy like Guiliani who is one of the most successful mayors ever, he understands the difference between Obama and Palin. Palin was a mayor to a governor and made more decisons than Barack Obama ever thought of. Senators make 3 tough choices all year were Governors and Mayors make choices everday that could affect them. Period, end of story about experience. Palin has more than Obama, and McCain has more than everybody. The experience is a humongous difference and I can't believe Democrats are saying that Barack has more experience. IN WHAT? TELL ME PLEASE! He has done NOTHING!
    Palin has a resume...let me briefly explain. As being governor of even Alaska you have a big responsability, and most of it i because of the Oil reserves in Alaska making one of the most important states. She lowered taxes and gave over $1,200 to every citizen for gas money. She is mostly known for her fight against corruption which we all know is a BIG poroblem in the USA. She got the top dogs of Alaska fired including Oil lobbyist, inlcuding her Brother in law because he didn' want to fire someone that she told him to. She has fought Republicans that were corrupt! Doesn't that attract a Democratic vote somewhere? Did Barack EVER fight against his own party for a choice that he felt was right? NO, period. Palin is a maverick/ re-former that doesn't take crap from anybody. And makes a positive differenece. Unlike Obama who thinks he can lower taxes when you have to expand goverment. he doesn't understand that to expand goverment you have to raise taxes, and TAXES WILL BE RAISED WITH OBAMA AS PRESIDENT. DEMOCRATS ARE KNOWN FOR RAISING TAXES.

    Now for you to knock on her for her daughter. Was it her fault that her daughter got horny one day and couldn't make a right decision? THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION. It's sickning to think that people actually look down on anyone because of this, especially a mother of five with a child WITH DOWN SYNDROM WHO SHE DID NOT ABORT. Her family values are one of her strongest assets she has. If you think she has no family values then I dont know who does. Barack Obama said that her issue with her daughter has nothing to do with Governor Palin's campaign. And that family should not be involved in any way, any person that has respect can see that. You clearly don't have any respect for her family values because to talk down on them means you don't even know them! Family of five, no abortions, a child with down syndrom that she knew was going to be retarded and still had it. Even Alan Combs, a democrat says "you have to melt to that decision." Get out of here with her daughter, that's the best you can come up with? You democrats have nothing negative about her. The experience slaps you back in the face because she has more experience than Obama, and the daughter HAS ONCE AGAIN, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ELECTION OR PALIN'S ABILITY TO BE VP.

    Your arguement is weak on every issue.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    This first response is to what i bolded. Sorry friend but you have to research this section a little more. You might know more about Reagan than I do but to say that the weapons that Iran and North Korea have can't and won't be able to hit us, is lack of research on your part. Ahmadinejad right now as we speak has missiles that can reach the Eastern coast of the USA. If he builds a Nuclear weapon he would easily be able to hit us if such a catastrophic time ever occured. As for North Korea, they are already in the process and we know how dangerous they are. I think enough is said, everybody said "Who cares" when Saddam took power, when Hitler took power knowing that their views were extreme and then look what happened with them when they HAD TOO MUCH POWER. And now you want to give it to a guy that has a religious belief that he can speed up prophecy with the destruction of Israel and it's ally, the USA. And find the missing 12th Imam.

    As for being a Republican, the Surge has worked which tells me after all this time, Bush is coming out victorious and is making the impossible happen, turning Iraq into a democracy and secure nation. Yes, he hasn't handled money good at all. But when does a country have a strong economy when in a war? The problem with Democrats is that they actually think that John McCain is a spit image of Bush, HE ISNT.
    McCain use to be a Democrat so how can he be just like Bush??? he is a reformer and Bush isn't. He wants to stop corruption, Bush has too much of it. He wants to lessen goverment, Bush has too much of it. His history surpasses any nominee in the past 50 years.
    And most of all McCain and Palin have accomplishments, Barack Obama doesn't. And Joe Biden once again, was against a Surge that worked. And you want him leading the Foreign Policy area? Please.
    First of all, we have missile interception technology that can knock anything like that out of the air, before it could reach us in the hours it would take it to do so

    Don't call me a democrat. In case, you haven't noticed, I don't take on labels too easily. Bottom line is that the leader of your party is responsible for squandering our tax dollars, not responding to the need of our uninsured and engaging in cronyism. McCain has many of Bush's advisers on his staff, that's a fact. Political parties function on certain principles: Republicans all believe in limited government, low taxes (for the wealthy and powerful). McCain is from the GOP, just like Bush, and I don't want any more of that monster. If you side with them, you're indirectly responsible for the murder of one million innocent Iraqis, who didn't join any military or commit themselves to war. YOU helped to pull the triggers, all across Iraq, with your vote and your immoral support. And you cannot compare Saddam with Hitler, who had capabilities to strike at the entire world. Saddam Hussein was weak and harmless to his neighbors, Al-Qaeda was also not present in Iraq, and they had no nuclear or biological weapons. This war was precipitated by rabid supporters of Israel, and a GW Bush that felt that Saddam needed to go for planning his daddy's assassination.

    Because you call yourself a Republican and are so happy about your surge, you should make this picture into your wallpaper. Nice accomplishment with this Iraqi child, Paul. Very Christian of you!
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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    First of all, we have missile interception technology that can knock anything like that out of the air, before it could reach us in the hours it would take it to do so

    Don't call me a democrat. In case, you haven't noticed, I don't take on labels too easily. Bottom line is that the leader of your party is responsible for squandering our tax dollars, not responding to the need of our uninsured and engaging in cronyism. McCain has many of Bush's advisers on his staff, that's a fact. Political parties function on certain principles: Republicans all believe in limited government, low taxes (for the wealthy and powerful). McCain is from the GOP, just like Bush, and I don't want any more of that monster. If you side with them, you're indirectly responsible for the murder of one million innocent Iraqis, who didn't join any military or commit themselves to war. YOU helped to pull the triggers, all across Iraq, with your vote and your immoral support. And you cannot compare Saddam with Hitler, who had capabilities to strike at the entire world. Saddam Hussein was weak and harmless to his neighbors, Al-Qaeda was also not present in Iraq, and they had no nuclear or biological weapons. This war was precipitated by rabid supporters of Israel, and a GW Bush that felt that Saddam needed to go for planning his daddy's assassination.

    Because you call yourself a Republican and are so happy about your surge, you should make this picture into your wallpaper. Nice accomplishment with this Iraqi child, Paul. Very Christian of you!
    To your first paragraph, i dont think you knew but Iran has a military alliance with RUSSIA. Don't you think they have weapons that can get passed our "amazing" defense system that sent out only 12 Jets after the Twin Towers were hit. 12 Jets! What is that going to do? To patrole the whole East Coast after an attack. You think our defense is so great because we haven't been challenged yet on our own ground. I can assure you that If Ahmadenijad gets a Nuclear Weapon this can easily come to our own homes. What does he have to lose? He has sanction because of the U.S and he is backed by the strongest military power in the world. He has a religious hatred towards Israel and any of it's allies, which you never commented on.

    Now onto the second paragraph, you blame McCain for his past when you don't see what he did to protect his troops and country during the Vietnam war. I called you a Democrat because yoru arguements and beliefs are so much like a Demcrat. And even though you say you aren't part of a party you give un conditional support for Obama which has NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS and you don't give it to a guy known as a re-former who has served in war, is more experienced than all the nominees, does have a plan that makes sense that would eventually make taxes lower were Barack Obama jsut says: Big goverment, lower taxes, and continue paying big Mid Eastern Oil companis 700 billion a year. How are we suppose to lower taxes with his views on other topics? It's impossible. McCain's views add up to lowering taxes that makes sense. He will cut corporate spending and fight corruption which is a huge part of why we spend so much tax dollars. And being for Off shore frilling now if you think that we don't have enough oil and that the taxes won't change, then you hav your head in the clouds. Montana alone is said to have enough Oil to spuppot the country for years! And we aren't touching it and giving money to countries that dont like us and possibly our money is falling in the hands of terrorist organizations.
    Look at it from a broader perspective OG. You have the Democratic nominee: He has done nothing that qualifies him to be President. He has an affiliation with people that no one else would be affiliated with. Examples Jeremiah Wright who is a black militant racist preacher that believes that every white person is evil. And he was unders his teachings for 20 years, I hope he isn't lying when he says he is an Evangelical Chrisitan because Jeremiah Wright IS NOT. And Bil Aires who is a known TERRORIST that admitted to bombing the Pentagon and was part of a terrorist group in the United States. WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS!?!?!?!?!? Do you realize if John McCain had this affiliation he would get killed by the media everyday?

    Now you said you can't comapre Saddam to Hitler. Look up what Saddam believed in. He use to read Mien Kampfe, Hitler's diary. He used influence people like Hitler did in his years. Brain washing people. Torture on an un forgivable scale that was routine and so routine that Saddam would bring his sons to tortures for enjoyment. Who does that? He was inspired by Hitler! So how can you not compare them. The problem with Iran and Ahmadenijad is that Hitler embarked on world conflict then saught to acquire nuclear weapons, were Ahmadenijad will acquire Nuclear weapons then embark on world conflict, which makes Iran much more dangerous than Hilter and the Nazis.

    You say I helped kill 1 Million people, that's brain washing at it's finest. McCain IS NOT BUSH. Start watching some speeches by McCain, Palin, Guliani and Fred Thompson who in the past few days have completely made Obama look like a nothing politician, which he really is. And Iraq did have Al-Queda, it had strong holds for Al-Queda bases. The southern part of Iraq that was given back to the Iraqi people by the USA, use to be an Al-Queda strong hold.

    Your picture was unnecessary and if you think that's bad start watching some 9/11 videos and maybe you would remeber why we went to war. Afghanistan was because of 9/11 and Iraq was because of Saddam threatening us time and time again on public television, and because both countries were full of terrorist. The Surge helped us save more lives for the future than were lost. People die in war, start realizing that. Accidents happen like friendly fire and bombs dropped in places with civillians, etc. No one complained about friendly fire in every single war that ever took place, so why are you complaining now?!?!? It's your only excuse to be an Anti-war supporter when the war has brought more peace to Iraq than it ever imagined for it's future. People dont have to live in terror everyday with Saddam in power and Iraq can never be home to terrorist as it once was. No matter what has happened in this war, it's for the better because now many people that would have been brain-washed by Saddam can see another side to the world that is atleast more peaceful than the life of a Saddam Era.
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    Paul, if you're going to support the war, don't be afraid to look at what you helped to produce: 1 million dead. You've gotta take the bad with the bad, friend. And, don't insult my sensibilities by comparing a few thousand dead with one million Iraqis.

    Concerning the 9/11 airplanes, those were disguised, our military thought they were regular passenger airliners. If a missile is launched at this country, satellites will locate it, hours away from our coasts, and our own missile defense systems, not fighter planes, will intercept them. Look up missile defense systems on google, and you'll see what I mean.

    And don't talk to me about taxes, when GW has destroyed the economy. He might have cut taxes, but buying groceries is getting harder and harder, everything is getting more and more expensive and my savings are losing value. I'll pay some more taxes, if it means the dollar will strengthen and food becomes easier to buy. McCain said the economy is in good condition, has a guy that calls us a nation of whiners on his team, so he's not getting my vote, not for anything.

    Saddam was evil, but he was only a threat to his region, not to us. You helped to kill one million Iraqis, you did not help to free them. There are more pictures, pictures of little Iraqi kids with no arms and legs, skin melted off of their faces. Screw the politics and screw the parties. I'm just not going to vote for a guy that says 100 more years of war. I'm also not voting for a guy that insults my profession: I'm a teacher.

    I haven't voted in years, but Obama is different, profoundly intelligent, caring, honest, and at the same time he knows what to say in order to win, knowing that we need someone different, extraordinary, during these difficult times. Obama questions himself, others, looks for the best solutions. That's the kind of guy I want running the country. I don't care how experienced McCain is, Bush has a lot of experience, I still don't want him as president. Giuliani has experience, but I don't want him, either. You almost never get a chance to elect someone like Obama: a brilliant, sensitive man, young, can relate to the non-white people of this country. I don't think the world will be completely different, when Obama is president, but it will be a fascinating episode: I think it will boost our nation's image, around the world and at home.

    Independence day is coming, this January. No more illegitimate, stolen Bush presidencies.

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    Who's going to give this kid his leg back, Paul, while you and your fellow Republicans have a political orgasm, cheering Bush, McCain and the rest? It's not a game, dems vs. reps., it's real people having their lives ruined. So, f*&k everybody who gets off on denying these people's human dignity.
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    Was a pack of lies, concerning Al-Qaeda and chemical/nuclear weapons being in Iraq, worth this happening to this boy? All of you who have engaged in support of this war, after you found out it was based on lies, need to look at this picture. This boy's life is ruined. For what? It's a tragedy, and you need to realize that and stop playing politics. Another reason why I strongly believe that Christians, along with other religious groups, are ruining this world.

    Jesus said to turn the other cheek, he said to take the blow, rather than becoming evil and aggressive. These people didn't even attack us, we can't even count them as mistaken victims, because we should have never gone to Iraq. Now, as citizens of a country that did this, we have this boy's blood on our hands, his lack of a life is our burden to carry. This is a tragedy, and someday we'll have to pay for it... mark those words.
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    Once again, I morn those children but that is what War is, OG. it is not hearts and kisses. It is death, arms blown off, legs blown off, that's what it is. But you are missing the whole point to this. Would you rather have your arm blown off but have freedom, or have all your limbs and live in fear and terror your entire life?

    You cannot answer that because you have not experienced the difference. I will vote for John McCain because he has witnessed that experience which puts him above many Americans in office today. He has had freedom, and he has had freedom taken away from him. And John McCain has said, if you ever watched any of his speeches, that he hates war. He thinks war is the worst thing man can ever do, watch his speech last night and you will see. He is not for war but he is for FREEDOM. And if freedom can only be achieved through war then it has to be done because freedom is the greatest gift a country can give to it's people. The Iraqi people have to experience that freedom. And John McCain feels that freedom is above everything. And that is absolutely true.

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    First of all, McCain was philandering around town, with different women, after his loss of freedom. Secondly, you can't compare living under a dictator to living in a cage, like McCain did. Thirdly, this country has installed dozens of dictators, stealing freedom from millions, all over the world. So please, unless you educate yourself to the history of this nation's foreign policy, don't say anything about the United States spreading freedom.

    When it comes to my ability to speak on freedom, as a person who has not had the ideal life experience, I know, as do many, what it is like to live without freedom. After all, freedom is as much a state of mind and heart as it is a political/civic state. In fact, most people living under dictators don't care about it, on a daily basis: they still live in their homes, they have husbands and wives, work, eat and get on with it. So, I don't really know what you mean, when you say that we needed to blow people's arms off in order to save them from lack of freedom.

    As for me, I'd keep my arms and let a dictator have this country. I'm not interested in politics, in who runs what or what they decide. This time around, I'm interested because I can't stand anymore poor Arabs being blown up. I saw an 8 year old saying that he hates America on BBC TV, he had no arms and no legs, no God damn limbs! This is why I'm going to vote, for the first time since 2000.

    McCain lost his freedom, but he was a soldier, not a civilian, when he was captured, and he's walking around with his wife and kids, 8 houses and a large bank roll, I don't want to hear anything out of that punk, when it comes to hating war. All talk. Obama, on the other hand, refuses to give his support to the surge, he knows that the whole thing was wrong.

    AGAIN, there was no need for these kids, women and old people to be blown up, disfigured, while people like you sit around talking strategy and repeating whatever comes out of his or her political party. You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself. If I were you, I'd shut up and cut my losses.
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    Paul, you are what is wrong with America. All you care about is money. I'd choose higher taxes if it made the country better. I'm in it for the good of the American people while all you care about is your wallet.

    Oh, and Obama's plan only raises taxes on the rich while McCain is planning on giving them free money. Thats really ****ing fair. Not.

    You've probably never worked in your life. Worked a real job, manual labor in the hot sun, working till you're clothes are soaked through and discusting, till you go home to sleep and sleep alone because you don't have the energy to do anything else. Then you wake up the next day and do it all over again. And for what? Only the right to live. And this is all meanwhile the bosses get rich and do nothing but tear the country we, the working class help build.

    Only an idiot would vote Republican if they weren't rich, because thats what Republicans have been known for, ****ing the poor.


    And on the topic of Iraq, why aren't you over there? If you are so happy about it and support it, get the **** over there. Too old? Send your kids! Then sign up with a contractor and go yourself. Then donate all the money you make to the country you think is worth all these American lives.

    Iraq won't have freedom when we're done...They'll be worse off. And democracy for Iraq sounds so nice, but I'd prefer it here before there. Democracy in the US should be our goal before we try to force it onto another country.



    And who the **** do you think you are saying losing a limb is worth it? Are you missing a ****ing limb? Then no, you don't have a ****ing clue. **** off. You're garbage. If there was justice in this country, trash like you would have a bullet in your head, and get ditched in a mass grave. That is where you belong.

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