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    Nyk Logo Knicks need Bigmen

    The Knicks need Bigmen

    Say it again and again and again.

    Walsh & Dantoni did'nt make any effort to go after any Bigmen this offseason.
    Dantoni personally cut 6.10 Randolph Morris, and Walsh traded 6.8 Balkman.
    To replace these two rebounding defensive shotblocking players Walsh & Dantoni gets a "free" 2nd round rookie Patrick Ewing Jr. who may spend this season in the D League.

    The Atlantic Division teams loaded up on Bigmen that the so-call Knick bigmen can not match up against.
    Boston KG, 76ers Brand & Dalembert, Raptors Bosh & J.O'Neal, and the Nets young running uptempo bigmen Boone, Sean, Lopez, Najera, and Yi.
    The Knicks so-call bigmen dont have a chance in their own Division this season.

    The evalution of the Knicks so-call Bigmen, am I right or wrong about ......

    Jerome James
    the 16th man off the bench.
    Eddy Curry
    backup offensive center for 20 mpg.
    Zach Randolph
    a defenseless selfish headache.
    Jared Jefferies
    the 10th or 11th man off the bench.
    Malik Rose
    the Spurs retired him 4 years ago.
    Danilo Gallinari
    the sofest joke in the city.
    Ewing Jr.
    the first player the Knicks put in the D-League.
    David Lee will play out his contract to catch the first bus heading out of New York.

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    And Whats your assessment of Randolph Morris?

    [B]Randolph Morris[B] Couldn't even log any minutes of the worst team in the league, and when he did play he made Eddy Curry look halfway decent


    I'd love to know what bigman we were supposed to go after this offseason. Who was out there for us to get? Did Walsh/D'Antoni trade for Randolph? And if you classify 6'8 Balkman a big guy why isn't 6'8 Ewing a big man?

    I see nothing wrong with using the D league. That exactly where Randolph Morris and Jackie Butler should have been for a year. Those players learned nothing sitting on the bench, they should have been in the D-League playing 35 minutes a night.

    Its obvious the Knicks have no big guys, but we don't have any quality small guys either so were equal. I said it before and i'll say it again its a rebuilding process. And process means it takes awhile its a step by step process not a quick fix. When your in salary cap hell there is no quick fix. And Randolph Morris was far from a fix. Hell be the 12th guy off the bench for some team maybe. He won't be for Boston though cause they signed that former lottery pick and theyll give him the roster spot.

    We don't have a chance to win the division. We all know that.

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    GetRealistic is right. The Knicks are going to suck for this season and the next couple years and they should. Let's stop pretending that there are quick fixes. Marbury is not going to take us to the playoffs even if he was in the best shape of his life. We need to scrap this team and start over again and that will take time.

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    That is a need i still have yet to see Walsh and D'Antoni fix. Other than the big men situation they are alright.

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    The league isn't about bigmen like it was. Its generally a guard oriented, isolation league. There aren't a great abundance of big men like there were in times past and it is a shame. Players today are far more athletic, but they only are good at easy baskets, they don't have the skill and finese the players of past generations had, in a time where nearly every center had some type of hook shot or spot up jump shot that helped spread the floor. Now post players just look to get easy baskets off penetration and jam it home.

    With this in mind, do we need more bigmen? Who'd we get?

    I'm in favor of a small lineup, one that can run. With this we actually might stand a chance. We won't be able to defend inside, even though what we have with our bigs was never really D anyway, but we can spread the floor and defend their shooters. And of course out run them.

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    The league isn't about bigmen like it was. Its generally a guard oriented, isolation league. There aren't a great abundance of big men like there were in times past and it is a shame. Players today are far more athletic, but they only are good at easy baskets, they don't have the skill and finese the players of past generations had, in a time where nearly every center had some type of hook shot or spot up jump shot that helped spread the floor. Now post players just look to get easy baskets off penetration and jam it home.

    With this in mind, do we need more bigmen? Who'd we get?

    I'm in favor of a small lineup, one that can run. With this we actually might stand a chance. We won't be able to defend inside, even though what we have with our bigs was never really D anyway, but we can spread the floor and defend their shooters. And of course out run them.
    I support your claim about the NBA being a guard oriented league but big men is needed on this team, atleast one guy who can replace Curry who will probably only play 12 minutes.

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    How are you forgetting the Knicks most prized big man outside of D. Lee...

    Wilson Chandler is going to be a serious contender for this ball club this season.

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    Originally Posted by Scribbles
    How are you forgetting the Knicks most prized big man outside of D. Lee...

    Wilson Chandler is going to be a serious contender for this ball club this season.
    By big men i think we mean a guy that can play Center effectively, name me a guy on this team that can play it effectively and not get owned? And i mean a replacement for Curry. Lee doesn't fit, Rose doesn't, Jeffries is more of a tall forward type not a center, James is a joke, Gallinari is a all around forward, Chandler is also an all around forward with a possible shooting guard capability. Ewing Jr. is a strong forward, not a center. We are overloaded with forwards and point guards, we need a shooting guard and a Center that is tall, we have no height on this team.

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    darko is 7'

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    Originally Posted by Toons
    darko is 7'
    and he blocks shots, my point exactly, we need him.

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    Ok, so we get a center. Then what...we become a more competitive team. Then what? We definitely won't make the playoffs with or without a center. We might as well just keep our team and suck for the next couple years and gather some nice lottery picks. The only center I want is one that is young and has promise, and there is none in the league that we can snatch.

    I have mixed feelings about the Randolph for Darko and Jaric trade. I think we could do better and get expiring contract(s) for him.

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan112
    Ok, so we get a center. Then what...we become a more competitive team. Then what? .
    then we dont have to worry about getting a center in the future and focus on more important aspects on improving the team in th future....

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan112
    Ok, so we get a center. Then what...we become a more competitive team. Then what? We definitely won't make the playoffs with or without a center. We might as well just keep our team and suck for the next couple years and gather some nice lottery picks. The only center I want is one that is young and has promise, and there is none in the league that we can snatch.

    I have mixed feelings about the Randolph for Darko and Jaric trade. I think we could do better and get expiring contract(s) for him.
    it's not like Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen are available for a trade like Boston did, relax, we are rebuilding. The start of this rebuilding process is to handle our money better. We have the highest pay roll and one of the worst teams. We have to get cap space and spend it on good players.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    it's not like Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen are available for a trade like Boston did, relax, we are rebuilding. The start of this rebuilding process is to handle our money better. We have the highest pay roll and one of the worst teams. We have to get cap space and spend it on good players.
    That is what I was trying to say. We should not be spending on a center. Getting a center should not matter at this point. The Knicks will not make the playoffs this season with a center or not.

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    Originally Posted by knickfan2112
    then we dont have to worry about getting a center in the future and focus on more important aspects on improving the team in th future....
    We do have to worry about getting a center in the future but that center is not in the market or we just don't have the assets to get that center at the moment.

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