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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    Grow up.

    The truth is the truth whether you want to believe it. If someone is a murderer, then they are.

    There are numerous soldiers on trial now. Sure, some have been acquited, but then again, the juries that ruled over them were American and you can't really expect the American people to convict their soldiers.

    If you think there aren't rogue people murdering civilians, you're an idiot. Take off the rose colored glasses, because the fantasy world you live in where America is ALWAYS in the right, ALWAYS the one with the right plan for everyone else is just ****ing bull****. Grow up.
    Yes soldiers are on trial and they should be. Problem is that Barack said our troops, meaning as a whole, are murdering civilians. If you don't think this was an attack on our troops, then your the idiot. He is calling our military, murderers. And he is running for president, and he will be the Commander in chief and lead our military and he is calling them murderers. This is a problem. He hurts the morale of our troops and accuses our troops of being like the same people we see commit murders everday. He put them in the same category. And you agree with this?

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Yes soldiers are on trial and they should be. Problem is that Barack said our troops, meaning as a whole, are murdering civilians. If you don't think this was an attack on our troops, then your the idiot. He is calling our military, murderers. And he is running for president, and he will be the Commander in chief and lead our military and he is calling them murderers. This is a problem. He hurts the morale of our troops and accuses our troops of being like the same people we see commit murders everday. He put them in the same category. And you agree with this?
    Depends how you take this. You choose to see it as a whole. Did he say "All of our troops?" No. But you choose to say it is meaning it as a whole. Do you really think he thinks that ALL Of our troops are murdering? No. He is just speaking the truth. If you can't accept the truth, what has been done, then make sure it doesn't happen again and do something about it. Don't lie and try to hide it, grow pair of testicles and do something about it. The whole idea that its "hurting morale" is bogus. You make of it what you want. Its just an excuse. If you don't like being called a murderer, or for people to generalize, then that is ammunition to fuel yourself, to go out and make a difference, to make sure you prove that the majority aren't murderers. Using it as an excuse for failure is ludicrous. It is up to the soldiers to take it how they take it. Do you want to take a tiny statement and twist it out of proportion to use it as an excuse or do you wanna grow up and use it as fuel to prove yourself?

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    Depends how you take this. You choose to see it as a whole. Did he say "All of our troops?" No. But you choose to say it is meaning it as a whole. Do you really think he thinks that ALL Of our troops are murdering? No. He is just speaking the truth. If you can't accept the truth, what has been done, then make sure it doesn't happen again and do something about it. Don't lie and try to hide it, grow pair of testicles and do something about it. The whole idea that its "hurting morale" is bogus. You make of it what you want. Its just an excuse. If you don't like being called a murderer, or for people to generalize, then that is ammunition to fuel yourself, to go out and make a difference, to make sure you prove that the majority aren't murderers. Using it as an excuse for failure is ludicrous. It is up to the soldiers to take it how they take it. Do you want to take a tiny statement and twist it out of proportion to use it as an excuse or do you wanna grow up and use it as fuel to prove yourself?
    I'd be the first one to fight againt soliders that kill innocents. Just undertand that he didn't section out a certain group. This is what I am saying. He didn't get specfic. He said "our troops" so one has to think to themselves, well he just called out most of the Army. And he called them murderers. This is what is twisted. If he is going to make a strong statement like that one, he better have proof of who did it and why. If not, then he should have never mentioned it because he didn't single out the guys that killed innocents, he singled out "our troops."

    You know what I am saying.

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    Genius, surely someone directly providing military service is directly responsible for providing support for, and enabling the actions of, their fellow soldiers, in killing innocent people, like Tuner said, it's part of war. Your argument, that Obama should have somehow mentioned specific soldiers involved in war crimes, actually seems weak and aimed at defending a statement that couldn't hold up against Tuner's, which was basically that we do kill people, as a country, as a military, as taxpayers, as citizens, especially, I think, when we fail to elect the type of leadership that would prevent, not cause, needless war and killing. So, I agree with him, Obama was merely telling the truth.

    You really need to wake up, and, when fox and Sarah Palin tell you that Obama is a traitor, because he said the troops were raiding villages, you should watch the entire video of his statements for yourself and then ask yourself why there are people dying in Iraq and who are injured to the extent that was evident in the pictures I've posted on various thread. SMH
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    McCain would just use up the economy for the...we've already lost enough money the last 4 years for reasons that only benefit the powerful....

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