What's the point, Obama and McCain suck and are paid for. I throw up everytime I see this Democrat Vs. Republican crap....those parties are "manipulated"
No-1 here even mentions the other parties out there, they may not get as much publicity (which is purposely done) but there is more outside the box then you think.
Libertarian Party = (Forgot the guy's name, I posted it on this site somewhere) But toss this shyt out because Librals don't know their head from their aZz.
Independent Party = Ralph Nader, you know him by now, he runs every election as the green party.
Constitutional Party = Chuck Baldwin, I made a whole post on this guy that contained videos of his speeches.
The point is, their is more hope in the Independent and Constitutional party that is overlooked because your minds are stuck on this republican and democrat garbage. These guys give good realistic plans that could help bring this country around.
Realistically the people in these parties won't win because the media will supress their voice, they aren't funded by the global elite/special interest groups and non-traditional voting machines can be altered.
Even so, at least you people could show some signs of diversity.
OG I respect you for always giving your opinion. Let's get this straight. I knock on Obama's association because he is running for President. You are not, so I don't care you hang out with. The problem is this guy is going to be our commander in chief and if he has one view that is as radical or crazy as Bill Aires or Jeremiah Wright, THEN YOU HAVE TO STOP IGNORING IT AS NONESENSE!!!! You say im like every other citizen that just talks and talks....your like every other person arguing me on this site that ignores and ignores. POINT IS that Barack Obama has been to Bill Aires home. He has gone to church under Jeremiah Wright for 20 years. he has attended events for Fanie Mae and Freddie Mac to promote their companies in support FOR THEM and a belief they can help the goverment financially.
I HOPE i am wrong and that Barack is completely against these people. BUT HONESTLY, OG, your smarter than this. He has to believe some of what they believe or say. If not, why would he associate himself with them??? WHY didn't he stop going to Wright's church after his first couple visits when he preached racist militant teachings that ARE NOT in the Bible by the way. No he went for 20 more years. Understand? When someone is your mentor, OG, they have a huge influence on your life and how you would approach issues in your life. If his mentor has racist views, what makes you think that Obama isn't as racist or militant??? It seems unlikely from another angle, but getting to know your candidate is what's important.
You compare McCain to Bush all the time. whenever we argue you bring up what Bush has done...NOT McCain. ENOUGH they are not clones. This is John McCain not George Bush...this is a clear example of propaganda and brainwashing to make people vote for Obama. Can't you see this??? For somebody who thnks that the goverment is full of manipulation...your being manipulated right now!!! lolol. I mean i can't explain any simpler. Take out the belief that McCain is Bush's twin brother...and now who do support?
How long has Biden been in the Senate and has done absolutely nothing important??? How many times has Barack Obama voted "present" and not for or against a bill? Becuase he can't decide himself. He said that when he becomes president he wants to have a bunch of people in a room making every decision as a group and with a vote. I look at this as a good thing, but that also means that he can't make decisions on his own with confidence in himself. And then if he screws up, he won't get the blame, his people that he has conferences will. It's all a plan, OG. He will look good to people if he is president because everyone seems him as their savior. Just wait until he has to face some hard decisions like Bush did with 9/11...then we'll see if Barack Obama is a "brilliant person" LMAO. I can't beleive you actually said that. A harvard education means nothing when it comes to confronting enemies that want to kill you. A Harvard ed. got him to become friends with some pretty bad people.
As I said, I hope I am wrong....but the odds are that I am right on one of the issues I mentioned concerning Obama. He has question marks all around him and I am just asking you to look into and stop ignoring it.
If you will approach these arguements with an open mind...then I will take time to find information for you to show you "proof."
I say proof everyday, maybe you should look into it instead of me always having to prove myself. I don't make false accusations on people. I never will. So as I said before, if you take this arguements with an open mind, than I will go out of my to find information for you. If not, then what is the point?
Is that fair?
"The Knicks are back" - Amare
Former Minnesota Governor, he might run, he's real popular plus he's the fukin man.
-Former Navy Seal
-Former Pro Wrestler
-Former Movie Star
What else? I know I'm missing more...
He's hosting a new show now on the "TruNetwork" (TruTV I think it's called) that exposes the government and politics.
You're so ignorant.
That quote makes Sarah Palin look like a PHD scholar.
You don't say proof, because you have no sources to support you beliefs other than Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs.
Taking garbage that comes out of the mouths of two buffoons isn't proof.
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BTW my proof is what Obama-Biden say and do. They are my source. Guys like Hannity don't ignore it and they present it so that people don't forget. This is why he always repeats himself. Because people forget, ABCD.
And stop saying one line and letting OG fight your fights.
And you should watch Hannity. He is having a special on Obama's very liberal record and it's not a good one.
"The Knicks are back" - Amare
I'm leaving this kid alone, he's just a maverick. Again, Paul, somebody should start revoking voting privileges from people like you.
As for "associations," What about about McCain and the Keating 5? Mac taking money, under the table, so that this guy, Charles Keating, could get away with raping the monetary system, costing us billions and destroying the lifesavings of countless elderly retirees. In this time of economic crisis, should we trust a man who, at the ripe old age of 52, was willing to compromise himself for financial and political gain? This is an association from which one can actually gather information concerning McCain's lack of ethics.
Nothing that you said proves anything about Obama, except that he attended a church, you don't even prove that he was attending weekly or even monthly. You also have no evidence of the theological beliefs, over the twenty year period you speak of, held by Obama, or even Jeremiah Wright. You only have one example, right after 9/11. As for Wright's racially charged sermon, I would guess that being Black in America would make a person angry, a little indignant and frustrated.
Let's look at Mac, wasn't it the Maverick who cheated on his wife with Cindy Mac? Wasn't it this guy who voted against national recognition of MLK day? Who is this guy? Should we trust him with the presidency? I think you should look into it, Paul.
As for Mac being like Bush, I never said that, but, where it counts, he is like Bush. He cuts taxes mindlessly, he limits spending where we actually need more of it but raises it in areas like war, military bases, and bombs, and he holds to the old Republican ideal of free market, screwing the labor unions and having the wealth trickle down the nuggets of wealth to the little guy, by giving tax breaks to the rich who will then go out and hire all the little people to work for them, at fair, free market costs to employers.
Do your homework, kid? Republicans are Republicans because they believe the same thing: cut taxes, attack organized labor, fight against civil rights, and, since the days of Reagan, promoting the interests of the Christian Right. Democrats are democrats because they believe the same thing, as well, generally speaking. I don't agree with either, but I don't want to see anymore dead or maimed Arab women and children. Like Obama said, we're raiding villages and dropping bombs indiscriminately, instead of actually fighting the non-civilian forces: army, air force, etc. Go catch the holy ghost or something, I don't have anymore time for you. PEACE.
This is where you pissed me off.....
Obama's quote about OUR TROOPS boming and raiding villages makes him have no right to ever praise our troops. He blamed THE TROOPS for the murder of innocent people, he is not blaming Bush like you always do. He is blaming the troops. This was a FU*KED up quote by Obama and I am shocked that you say it as if to justify it and acknowledge it. Disgusting. One of the worst things you have said yet, OG. HOW CAN YOU EVEN TRY TO UNDERSTAND AND BACK UP WRIGHT'S SERMONS! LISTEN TO ONE!
Now I am cooled down.....
If you have dirt on McCain then show me! I want to see it and compare the two candidates. If you would compare the two associations, who would you think is the worst candidate? Still McCain? I dont know OG. I have heard a lot about Obama having a bad association but not so much McCain. Show me McCain's dirt. I am interested.
"The Knicks are back" - Amare
We have murdered and air raided innocent people. He is only telling the truth. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not true. Grow up. You don't even care about the issues, you're just an attack dog. You LOOK for reasons to hate Barack. You create reasons.
>The structure you are ordered to follow<
And then tell me if you were a soldier if you would want to hear someone running for president calling you out and your brothers beside you murderers.
"The Knicks are back" - Amare
The truth is the truth whether you want to believe it. If someone is a murderer, then they are.
There are numerous soldiers on trial now. Sure, some have been acquited, but then again, the juries that ruled over them were American and you can't really expect the American people to convict their soldiers.
If you think there aren't rogue people murdering civilians, you're an idiot. Take off the rose colored glasses, because the fantasy world you live in where America is ALWAYS in the right, ALWAYS the one with the right plan for everyone else is just ****ing bull****. Grow up.