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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    Who has killed more innocent people?

    Iraq War or WU?

    Easily Iraq war...

    I even bolded before what issue you avoided and you still avoid it. You lost Turner.



    Try again next time




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    Paul, you freaking genius! I told you that you, my good Christian, are the one who supports murder. You asked me if I would not want to lose my arms for freedom, in response to a picture I posted, of a maimed Iraqi child. You, sir, are forever a piece of trash, for asking such a question, and only radical change in thinking and ability to feel empathy for others will redeem you.

    The weathermen, the "association," to use Hannity's term that you lifted, never killed anyone, they set bombs, but they hurt no one. Even if they had, the 1.25 million Iraqis that died, along with the countless maimed, would far surpass anything that the weathermen did. So, your accusations toward tuneraddict seem totally unfounded and hypocritical, since you have clearly supported the killing Iraqis, with your twisted belief that they're being given freedom and are being saved from a massacre that occurred 15 years ago. You're a complete lunatic, for believing anything like that, and it's shocking that, in the face of evidence from tuner and abcd and me, you continue to repeat the same garbage. At first, I thought you were merely misinformed, but you're just a retard, like your heros.

    As others have said, you're a joke, everything you say comes from the Republican bible, and you repeat almost everything I've heard on fox news, word for word. Well, just like Hannity is now losing it, because his associations tactic is being ignored, as I saw he was on Fox News last night, you must be losing it, because no one cares about someone that Obama interacted with a handful of times, whose past he clearly had no idea about. Even if he did, nobody, in a free country, should be labeled anything, whatsoever, as the result of what books they read or what people they talk to. This, my simple minded friend, is not a police state, at least not yet.

    As I said in previous posts, Mac left his cheated on his wife, in 1980, with Cindy McCain, right after his ex-wife had been disfigured in an auto accent. He also was involved with the Keating five scandal, where his actions in supporting a private big time banker's interests were completely unethical. Mac also voted against MLK day being recognized nationally, and his daughter has spoken about his gambling and dating a stripper, as if it was the cutest thing in the world.

    Clearly, the man is unprincipled and lacking in values. Obama, at 47, a few years older than McCain when he first entered public service and began forking Cindy on the side, is still with his wife, is not known to have been unfaithful to her and does not have a history of dating strippers, gambling or being a racist. I say that Obama is the better Christian.

    As for Reverend Wright, I agree with this man of God completely. We bomb countries, subvert their governments, kill their citizens, provide WMDs for Saddam to employ against them, and so our chickens came home to roost. We paid for our government's sins. People are tired of McCain, with his camp full of former Bush advisers, and Obama will win.

    Change is coming, something new is on the horizon, get used to it, Paul, get out from under mama's skirts, and your little sheltered life, and get used to it. You're going to have a person with a high IQ, of African American descent, named Barack Hussein Obama, in the White House. Everybody else, I suggest you just ignore this mental midget and let him deal with the reality of what's coming.
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    Originally Posted by OGKnickfan
    Paul, you freaking genius! I told you that you, my good Christian, are the one who supports murder. You asked me if I would not want to lose my arms for freedom, in response to a picture I posted, of a maimed Iraqi child. You, sir, are forever a piece of trash, for asking such a question, and only radical change in thinking and ability to feel empathy for others will redeem you.

    The weathermen, the "association," to use Hannity's term that you lifted, never killed anyone, they set bombs, but they hurt no one. Even if they had, the 1.25 million Iraqis that died, along with the countless maimed, would far surpass anything that the weathermen did. So, your accusations toward tuneraddict seem totally unfounded and hypocritical, since you have clearly supported the killing Iraqis, with your twisted belief that they're being given freedom and are being saved from a massacre that occurred 15 years ago. You're a complete lunatic, for believing anything like that, and it's shocking that, in the face of evidence from tuner and abcd and me, you continue to repeat the same garbage. At first, I thought you were merely misinformed, but you're just a retard, like your heros.

    As others have said, you're a joke, everything you say comes from the Republican bible, and you repeat almost everything I've heard on fox news, word for word. Well, just like Hannity is now losing it, because his associations tactic is being ignored, as I saw he was on Fox News last night, you must be losing it, because no one cares about someone that Obama interacted with a handful of times, whose past he clearly had no idea about. Even if he did, nobody, in a free country, should be labeled anything, whatsoever, as the result of what books they read or what people they talk to. This, my simple minded friend, is not a police state, at least not yet.

    As I said in previous posts, Mac left his cheated on his wife, in 1980, with Cindy McCain, right after his ex-wife had been disfigured in an auto accent. He also was involved with the Keating five scandal, where his actions in supporting a private big time banker's interests were completely unethical. Mac also voted against MLK day being recognized nationally, and his daughter has spoken about his gambling and dating a stripper, as if it was the cutest thing in the world.

    Clearly, the man is unprincipled and lacking in values. Obama, at 47, a few years older than McCain when he first entered public service and began forking Cindy on the side, is still with his wife, is not known to have been unfaithful to her and does not have a history of dating strippers, gambling or being a racist. I say that Obama is the better Christian.

    As for Reverend Wright, I agree with this man of God completely. We bomb countries, subvert their governments, kill their citizens, provide WMDs for Saddam to employ against them, and so our chickens came home to roost. We paid for our government's sins. People are tired of McCain, with his camp full of former Bush advisers, and Obama will win.

    Change is coming, something new is on the horizon, get used to it, Paul, get out from under mama's skirts, and your little sheltered life, and get used to it. You're going to have a person with a high IQ, of African American descent, named Barack Hussein Obama, in the White House. Everybody else, I suggest you just ignore this mental midget and let him deal with the reality of what's coming.

    Wow OG. You really stooped down to a low level like Turner did. Just thought I'd bold every time you attacked me.

    Go back to my post at yesterday at 18:43 when I was talking with Turner. I mentioned the difference between the Weather Underground and what Obama said about our troops. I mentioned when you always call me a murderer for supporting the Iraq War. And I asked this question to Turner.
    "Do you think it makes more sense to support the Iraq War or a Terrorist Organization that purposely kills innocents to make a statement?"

    How can you back up Turner in supporting the Weather Underground when their intention is to cause violence and chaos and kill innocents to get their way. And then you slam Bush and America for killing innocents in the Iraq war, when in War, innocent people always die by accident. That is their INTENTION. That is the difference between what they believe in and what we do in Iraq. Those people that died in iraq weren't all purposely killed for the hell of it. And those soldiers that did kill them for the hell of it, should be in a cell with Ayers. Most of it is just the casualties of war. YOU BETTER GET USE TO THAT.

    Terrorist use innocent people as a sacrifice for what they want. If you support that then you are the hypocrite OG. One of my videos has a man that went under cover in William Ayers home for one year. His account of Ayers is someone who targeted to blow up the main landmarks in America with the Pentagon being one of them. This is Radicalism. Obama supported it, he lies everyday about his involvement with these men, and there is something HUGE that he is hiding from the American people. Take the cover off your eyes. You call me blind WHEN YOU IGNORE EVERYTHING ABOUT OBAMA THAT I SHOW. I HAVE PROOF WITH THOSE 6 VIDEOS THAT OBAMA IS ASSOCIATED TO RADICAL INDIVIDUALS AND CORRUPT INDIVIDUALS THAT PROMOTE VIOLENCE and Corruption AS A WAY OF A SOLUTION. And you call me the ignorant one who can't see the truth. You are infatuated with this Obama guy and won't look at any possible truth that he is a Radical liar trying to get into office. He lied so many times about his association that even Democrats are pissed at him.



    JUST LIKE TURNER, YOU IGNORED EVERYTHING HANNITY FOUND ON OBAMA. IF YOU THINK IT IS NOTHING THEN YOU ARE EITHER AN IGNORANT PERSON OR A RADICAL YOURSELF FOR NOT THINKING THIS IS A THREAT.
    YOU SUPPORT JEREMIAH WRIGHT????? AND WHAT HE PREACHED THAT DAY THAT MADE HIM FAMOUS..."IN A BAD WAY"?


    If you support a Radical militant like Wright and back up the Weather Underground that was labeled as a Terrorist Organization were their leader William Ayers targeted to blow up buildings and kill innocent people........Then arguing with you is utterly pointless. Your views are so radical and disgusting and CONTRADICTING. You contradicted yourself so much in supporting the Weather Underground and ranting about the death of innocents in the Iraq War that wasn't all intentional. How can you support this organization and even have a care for human life????? THEY DIDNT!!!!! That is my point! That is how they make a statement, to kill innocent people! You my friend, are the murderer! I supported a war thinking we would stop Hussein from using Nuclear weapons....HOW IS THAT MURDER? No, you support a Terrorist organtization. You are in your own class with Turner. You have no right to talk about saving innocent lives from this point on. Because you support a group that would kill innocents to get their way. You contradict yourself. Their is no shade of gray here. And tell this to Turner so he gets it straight. When it comes to this issue of Terrorism, Radicalism, violence, etc....you are black or white. No shade of gray. There is wrong and right. If you think these people are right then you having no right to call me a lunatic.

    I know McCain cheated on his wife. He said that his biggest mistake ever was emotionally hurting his first wife. His scandal right now has to be absolutely mind blowing to look more of a threat than Obama's association with Radicalism.



    AND WATCH MY PROOF FOR MAKING THIS THREAD. YOU ARGUE ME LEFT AND RIGHT AND WON'T EVEN WATCH THE FACTS I PUT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES. IGNORANCE. WATCH ALL 6 VIDEOS. IF YOU AND TURNER DON'T WATCH THESE VIDEOS THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGT TO ARGUE ME IN THIS FORUM ON ANYTHING CONERCNING OBAMA.

    IF YOU REFUSE TO WATCH THESE VIDEOS: YOU DON'T KNOW HIM AND YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW. OR YOU KNOW HOW RADICAL HE IS AND YOU AGREE WITH HIM BECAUSE YOU ARE A RADICAL YOURSELF. WHAT IS IT OG???? WHICH ONE????


    ADMIT THE TRUTH. AND WATCH THOSE VIDEOS.

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    This is my last post, in regards to the matter of radicalism, Obama, the Weatherman, and you, Paul. Radicalism, which you think is so evil because Hannity tells you it is, simply means extreme change or transformation. Did you know, Paul, knicksonline's resident genius, that Abraham Lincoln worked with the "radical republicans" to end slavery? Of course you don't, because you're worst than a lunatic, you're a dumb person with an opinion.

    You fail to mention that Obama was a little kid when the weather underground was around, in addition to living on another continent, when you say he supported the weather underground. You mention, falsely, that Obama supported "these men." What in the world do you have, in these videos, to support that bizarre opinion? What books do you know that Obama has written with Ayers? What radical groups has Obama been a member of? You have nothing but the fact that he interacted with this man on about 3 occasions. Obama has even said that he knew nothing of the man's past.

    As for whether who is more of a murderer, as a vegetarian and a person who is anti-war, I believe that you, who are surely a meat eater, a supporter of the Iraq war, even after you learned of the absence of WMDs and the presence of rape, murder and Abu Ghraib in Iraq, are the murderer. You sit there and say that our troops only intentionally killed people, which is a complete lie. Troops have admitted, numerous times, that they've seen people rape, murder and assault innocent people, for kicks!

    AGAIN, sonny, the Weathermen killed no one, NO ONE. They never even injured anyone. I don't support them, I don't even know what they stood for, but I'm tired of people like you bemoaning relatively small numbers of American deaths, when we're responsible for the deaths of millions, by allowing people like Reagan and Bush into office and then tolerating their murderous policies. By the way, your boy Mac was involved in supporting those murderous policies, including the Iran-Contra scandal and the shipping of drugs into this country, sanctioned by 1980s Republicans, in their effort to broker deals to fight communism in Latin America.



    You're really an uneducated and misinformed person, and I would hope that you someday realize that you must read and study for yourself, instead of simply accepting whatever you are told on the cable news programs. in any event, I'm done with this conversation, it's going nowhere, because you lack shame and sensitivity to facts. Instead, what you like to hear is what you put ahead of facts.

    Worst of Luck-

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    Tuner, I think Paul might be a friend of Steven D. Green's, I'm sure he sent him care packages, when he was in Iraq, along with a copy of O'Reilly gear.


    Steven D. Green, 21-year-old ex-Army private accused of Iraq rape and killings

    CHARLOTTE, N.C. - When U.S. military officials found the bodies of four Iraqis inside a burned house near Mahmoudiya in March, they at first blamed insurgents. Three of the bodies had gunshot wounds, and the body of a woman was burned. Authorities believe she was raped before being shot in the head.But on Monday, federal prosecutors revealed the outcome of a joint military and FBI investigation: the culprits, they now believe, are U.S. soldiers who manned a checkpoint a short distance from the home.
    Officials have charged one of them, Steven D. Green, a skinny, 21-year-old former private who was honorably discharged this spring by the Army because of a “personality disorder.” He was accused Monday of rape and four counts of murder during an appearence in a federal courtroom in Charlotte.
    Wearing baggy shorts, flip-flops and a Johnny Cash T-shirt, Green spoke only to confirm his identity and stared as a federal magistrate ordered him held without bond on murder and rape charges that carry a possible death penalty.
    Green became the first person identified in the latest case of alleged killings of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops.
    According to a federal affidavit, Green and three other soldiers from the Fort Campbell, Ky.-based 101st Airborne Division had talked about raping the young woman, whom they first saw while working at a traffic checkpoint near her home.
    On the day of the attack, the document said, Green and other soldiers drank alcohol and changed out of their uniforms to avoid detection before going to the woman’s house, with Green using a brown T-shirt to cover his face.
    'All are dead'
    Once there, the affidavit said, Green took three members of the family — an adult male and female, and a girl estimated to be 5 years old — into a bedroom. Shots were heard.
    “Green came to the bedroom door and told everyone, ‘I just killed them. All are dead,”’ the affidavit said.

    CHRISTIANITY AND AMERICAN HEROES, AT THEIR BEST...


    NOTHING INTENTIONAL, HERE.





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    Watch the videos. As I said, you are ignorant if you don't. You twist my words. I SAID THAT THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND INTENTIONALLY KILLS PEOPLE AND IF ANY SOLIDER DO THEN THEY SHOULD BE IN A CELL WITH THEM. Honestly what am I saying that you don't understand? The facts are their that Obama is a liar, you choose to think that whatever he says is true. You think I am uneducated on Obama? I know more about him then you do my friend. You want to know who he is involved with? You want to know what William Ayers has done and what every person Obama has associated himself with has done?????


    WATCH THE VIDEOS.


    No, you haven't so in the end, your ignorance shows your weakness. And shows that in the end, I am the one presenting you facts, and you are the one who ignores them.

    Obama is better friends with all of these men that what he tells you, even democrats know this. Stop being biased for this Obama guy. It is obvious how biased you are. If you will ignore those videos I show you, which is an in-depth report and investigation into Obama, someone who you know nothing about, then you have no right to argue me in this forum.

    More on the weather underground. They have killed before. Stop being blind.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Watch the videos. As I said, you are ignorant if you don't. You twist my words. I SAID THAT THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND INTENTIONALLY KILLS PEOPLE AND IF ANY SOLIDER DO THEN THEY SHOULD BE IN A CELL WITH THEM. Honestly what am I saying that you don't understand? The facts are their that Obama is a liar, you choose to think that whatever he says is true. You think I am uneducated on Obama? I know more about him then you do my friend. You want to know who he is involved with? You want to know what William Ayers has done and what every person Obama has associated himself with has done?????


    WATCH THE VIDEOS.


    No, you haven't so in the end, your ignorance shows your weakness. And shows that in the end, I am the one presenting you facts, and you are the one who ignores them.

    Obama is better friends with all of these men that what he tells you, even democrats know this. Stop being biased for this Obama guy. It is obvious how biased you are. If you will ignore those videos I show you, which is an in-depth report and investigation into Obama, someone who you know nothing about, then you have no right to argue me in this forum.

    More on the weather underground. They have killed before. Stop being blind.

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    That'll tell you all you need to know.

    Factcheck.org is a non-partisan group that does analysis and fact checking on both candidates. Just look through the archives, both are covered.

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    You know what? I watched the ****ing thing, whether you believe me or not, and it was all bull****. In fact, I saw it, several Sundays ago, hosted by Sean Hannity, on my television. It was all bull****, no concrete evidence. Every time they made an accusation, it was based on guesswork. "Obama was in New York, and he lived with a Muslim guy, and he won't release his college transcripts!" WTF is all that about? I had Muslim professors and friends, as this is NY and there are many of them. In fact, I took courses on Islamic History and Movements. As a result, I had a few different Muslim professors. Maybe the CIA should come over and arrest me for that. Maybe, if I ever were to run for public office, the fact that I took some courses with Muslim professors should be used against me.

    The story is all conjecture. Every time an accusation is made, you wait to hear supporting evidence, and all you get is some sort of racist insinuation. Obama had a Muslim professor, or friend, Obama was nowhere to be seen for x amount of time, Obama's research paper is not available. What does any of that prove, when it comes to convincing an unbiased, intelligent person? The only way that any of this convinces anyone is if they're racist against all Muslims, invested in seeing Obama lose, as you are, or plain stupid. I am neither of those, so this video does nothing for me.

    You seem to exclusively watch fox news, man, and people who watch that channel believe everything that the GOP says. I saw a telephone poll, conducted right after the last debate, between Obama and Mac, and Fox News viewers, at a rate of 92 percent, believed that McCain won. That's how come you, Paul, are able to see this video and see something that an unbiased mind cannot.

    As for Obama, I am not biased towards him. I have issues with not knowing enough about where he stands, because he changes his policies from week to week. Actually, because of that, I was considering voting for McCain, but then he chose Sarah Palin. I cannot, in good conscience, vote for a 72 year old man that has chosen, as his VP, a dimwit. I also cannot vote for a man who wants to sing about bomb, bomb Iran and speaks in a belligerent tone, when it comes to Russia. I don't want to support, with my vote, further needless wars. Bottom line is that Obama is the best of the two, and the guy is really sharp. I think the country needs to give him a shot.

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