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    with d'antoni's offense, its been said its not completely about speed and more about how one can pick up their speed and make the right decisions at the right time, i think duhon looks deceivingly slow. he doesnt move quick all the time, but he's always got a spot to go to and gets there. he can also turn the corner, which is pretty important to me in terms of guard handling and all that nohomo

    annnd can't wait to see galo in action

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    Originally Posted by richtree
    Firstly, a point forward is when teams play slower offenses like pippen did in the Triangle....

    Diaw was no point forward-- I have watch all of the Euro Highlights , he may like contact with Skinny Europeans but it is different over here ...

    Ask Marco Bellini who looks like a wizard in the summer league til the big boys shut him down --

    "You got Gallinari 100% wrong, you failed."

    you have him pegged as a slasher that is gonna be dunking and dishing...

    no shot....he will be shooting and rebounding ...especially with our guard play he will end up in the corner dropping 3 balls and one dripple 16 footers....

    potential he can do more....but not year 1 or year 2 ....

    he might not even start at the University of North Carolina if he went there
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    Euroleague > NCAA

    Wrong again brother.

    Danilo is a DRIVER to the basket, he doesn't settle for jumpshots. You've obviously been watching the wrong Euro.

    Nate always gets blocked going to the basket.
    Duhon is one of the slowest PG's in the NBA..He's just a young Eric Snow.
    Crawford fears contact like no other.
    Collins isn't that talented or skilled to be consider a slashing threat.

    We have one of the best slashers in the NBA who doesn't slash enough in Marbury, other that; your assessment isn't clear on Danilo won't have a chance to get to the basket.

    Chandler, Marbury, and Gallinari will be the best on this team on terms of getting from the perimeter to the paint with efficiency.

    Marco Belleni still had big games in the NBA if you did your research. Right now he's young, Warriors are still high on him. Why doubt such a talented prospect who may blossom into a very excellent offensive player? Warriors are a deep team to his defense, it was never about the "big boys".

    Hedo Turk is a point forward and Orlando Magic have the best offense in the East.
    How does that correlate to your theory that only point forwards play in SLOW offense?

    It doesn't.
    Your theory is false.

    Diaw and Turk are some one of the most well known point forwards in the NBA.

    As well Lamar Odom who plays on the Lakers, another good offense. Pierce can be consider one too since he's a forward who can handle point guard duties.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Euroleague > NCAA

    Wrong again brother.

    Danilo is a DRIVER to the basket, he doesn't settle for jumpshots. You've obviously been watching the wrong Euro.

    Nate always gets blocked going to the basket.
    Duhon is one of the slowest PG's in the NBA..He's just a young Eric Snow.
    Crawford fears contact like no other.
    Collins isn't that talented or skilled to be consider a slashing threat.

    We have one of the best slashers in the NBA who doesn't slash enough in Marbury, other that; your assessment isn't clear on Danilo won't have a chance to get to the basket.

    Chandler, Marbury, and Gallinari will be the best on this team on terms of getting from the perimeter to the paint with efficiency.

    Marco Belleni still had big games in the NBA if you did your research. Right now he's young, Warriors are still high on him. Why doubt such a talented prospect who may blossom into a very excellent offensive player? Warriors are a deep team to his defense, it was never about the "big boys".

    Hedo Turk is a point forward and Orlando Magic have the best offense in the East.
    How does that correlate to your theory that only point forwards play in SLOW offense?

    It doesn't.
    Your theory is false.

    Diaw and Turk are some one of the most well known point forwards in the NBA.

    As well Lamar Odom who plays on the Lakers, another good offense. Pierce can be consider one too since he's a forward who can handle point guard duties.

    Even I can agree with you this time Metro on some points. Gallo is a driver but Mike D and Donnie Walsh said that what stood out the most from his was his shooting ability. So he should have a good outside shot when he returns. Duhon is not the offensive threat Marbury is and never will be. Duhon is on this team for Defense and a pass-first mentallity that we are lacking. His mentality is the same as Mike D, so Duhon should do good in this system and so far he has.

    I agree 100% that Marbury is one of the best slashers in the game and that he doesn't slash enough. Imagine if he slashed every time and always drew fouls? He would honesty be like Dwayne Wade with all the attempts and points just from foul shots alone.

    Nate gets blocked because he is 5'9 but I have seen him make some nice moves against guys a foot taller than him; so to say that he ALWAYS gets blocked isn't true. His incredible hang time also allows him to make the tough shots a slasher makes.

    I agree that Chandler, Marbury, and Gallo are the best slashers. I know Euro ball is under rated and many people think its a joke league. I know it isn't and Danillo, being a leader on his team at 19, and being the top international prospect, is saying something. This guy isn't a scrub or a no body. He will bring his game over here to the US even if he has to gain 20 pounds in muscle to do it. And his game is A+, especially on offense.

    A point forward can easily be Wilson Chandler, and he is playing in the fast pace offense of Mike D'Antoni...and Chandler can get down the floor pretty quick for a guy that is 6'8.

    Point forwards dont always play a slow paced game on offense. The great ones like Lebron James are the fastest forwards in the game and thats why they are so good. They add their power and speed to be an unstoppable force.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    shooting ability. So he should have a good outside shot when he returns. Duhon is not the offensive threat Marbury is and never will be.

    A point forward can easily be Wilson Chandler.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    A point forward can easily be Wilson Chandler, and he is playing in the fast pace offense of Mike D'Antoni...and Chandler can get down the floor pretty quick for a guy that is 6'8.
    Chandler couldn't really be a point forward. He's barely a good enough ball handler to play the 2, and he isn't as fast as guys like Lamar, Hedo etc. Plus, we need his strength to play as a power forward.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard

    Idk which part u laughed at. I basically agreed with you. Marbury is better than Duhon on offense.

    And do you forget that you said once that CHandler should be a SG???

    Yea you did. So did Walt Frazier during an analysis of Chandler in the summer league.

    So whats so funny? lol

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    Paul you gotta stop... I even agree with Metro (very rare occurance) that Chandler is not at all close to a Point Forward. He doesn't have the ball handling, court vision, or passing ability to be a point forward. And thats not a knock on Chandler at all. Chandler seems like hes going to be a steal of a draft pick, but there are very few players in this league that have the skill set to be a point forward. Scottie Pippen and even to an extent Toni Kukoc were rare talent sets. I firmly believe Chandler will be a good player but he projects more to the level of a Shawn Marion who plays great in the open floor and in iso situations then a Scottie Pippen who could run the entire offense.

    From scouting report Galo seems to have the makeup of a Point forward but the problem is he's still 19 and hasn't had an offical practice this season yet. IF you expect to see Galo come in and be a point forward from day one your crazy. Maybe come January you will see glimpses but to put that much on a 19 year old is crazy. Two or 3 years down the road he could very well be that player but for now i'm sure he'll be used to spread the floor and knock down jumpers. Something we desperately need.


    P.S. Duhon has been far from the problem. I think people should really look and be happy with what hes brought us. Take away the first game where he had 7 turnovers and he's only had 12 over the next 5 games. He's also shot 44.4 &#37; from three. Oh yea hes our best on the ball perimeter defender. Marbury shows flashes of defense but he doesn't bring it every night. Also Marbury and even Mardy Collins are more suited to guard SG's or even certain small forwards.
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    In any other offense, the dialogue would vary but in this particular offense, IMO:

    Duhon PG + Marbury SG >>>> any other backcourt combo

    PG Duhon >>> PG Collins >>> any other player at PG

    SG Marbury >>> SG Nate >>> SG QRich >>> SG Crawford

    Nate first guard off the bench.... Stephon runs PG for various plays until Collins spells Duhon. I would barely use Nate at PG and Jamal never at all.

    I don't want Marbury running the offense more than 20% of the times down the floor... I want him to let Duhon or Collins do that for most of the game while he focuses most of his minutes on scoring.

    Crawford needs to be traded as well as Curry. We're in a catch22 with them 'cause if we play them they may not help the team enough to warrant those minutes, whereas if we bench them their value just falls. IMO, the bench is preferable as they would be challenged to make the most of any minutes they get.

    I agree with D'Antoni that Chandler is better suited at the 4spot in this offense where other PFs would have a very hard time guarding him. Danilo should be at the SF where he would just shoot over any defender... until he's able, we will just have to move Chandler to the SF and have Randolph at the PF (Randolph must also be traded if we ever hope to get under the cap by 2010).

    Until we get a center, Lee will have to do. He's may favorite player on this team (no homo) and he could be on his way to an AllStar berth... but I think his value is maximized with the energy he's known to bring off the bench.

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    Portega didn't you say you were 40? Don't use (no homo)... Didnt we already have this conversation in a past thread.

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    you copyrighted no homo?

    Ill use that or any other word whenever the fuk I want.

    Or is it that you're a Crawford junkie and just came at me (no homo) 'cause I hurt your feelings?

    Please don't get on my nuts and learn to respect your elders.

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    so...



















    umad?

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    Originally Posted by portega1968
    you copyrighted no homo?

    Ill use that or any other word whenever the fuk I want.

    Or is it that you're a Crawford junkie and just came at me (no homo) 'cause I hurt your feelings?

    Please don't get on my nuts and learn to respect your elders.


    I can't respect an elder who tries for some reason or another to be young by using phrases like that (incorrectly at that). But hey good luck with that mid life crisis of yours. Lease a new sports car yet? Make sure to watch the World series they have tons of commercials for Viagra and what not.

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    Its not that you cant respect, its that you HAVE 2 respect dude regardless of how I choose to talk... you just sound inmature calling out an older person for **** like this, you know? Youre better off ignoring it.

    I'm not trying to look young... I feel young and will still feel that way after Im 60. If you plan on feeling old when you reach my age, youre gonna be one grumpy old fart. Pray that you still have my attitude by then or be prepared to be miserable.

    Midlife crises? new sports car? Viagra?

    Dang Getrealistic (what the fuk does that mean by the way, I guess its something my generation cant comprehend)... can you be less creative with your comebacks? stay away from the age cliches Crawford groupie.

    Yes, because its not my use of no homo that got you talking... its your obsession with #11.

    Just because you think my nuts hang down to my ankles doesn't mean you can swing on 'em... please get off (no homo, no homo, no homo, no homo)
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    Originally Posted by GetRealistic
    Paul you gotta stop... I even agree with Metro (very rare occurance) that Chandler is not at all close to a Point Forward. He doesn't have the ball handling, court vision, or passing ability to be a point forward. And thats not a knock on Chandler at all. Chandler seems like hes going to be a steal of a draft pick, but there are very few players in this league that have the skill set to be a point forward. Scottie Pippen and even to an extent Toni Kukoc were rare talent sets. I firmly believe Chandler will be a good player but he projects more to the level of a Shawn Marion who plays great in the open floor and in iso situations then a Scottie Pippen who could run the entire offense.

    From scouting report Galo seems to have the makeup of a Point forward but the problem is he's still 19 and hasn't had an offical practice this season yet. IF you expect to see Galo come in and be a point forward from day one your crazy. Maybe come January you will see glimpses but to put that much on a 19 year old is crazy. Two or 3 years down the road he could very well be that player but for now i'm sure he'll be used to spread the floor and knock down jumpers. Something we desperately need.


    P.S. Duhon has been far from the problem. I think people should really look and be happy with what hes brought us. Take away the first game where he had 7 turnovers and he's only had 12 over the next 5 games. He's also shot 44.4 % from three. Oh yea hes our best on the ball perimeter defender. Marbury shows flashes of defense but he doesn't bring it every night. Also Marbury and even Mardy Collins are more suited to guard SG's or even certain small forwards.
    Okay chill. I can agree. Just that Walt Frazier is a good basketball analyst and he saw Chandler possibly playing a SG one day. So did Metro, so I thought thats what you meant by point forward.

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    Originally Posted by portega1968
    Its not that you cant respect, its that you HAVE 2 respect dude regardless of how I choose to talk... you just sound inmature calling out an older person for **** like this, you know? Youre better off ignoring it.

    I'm not trying to look young... I feel young and will still feel that way after Im 60. If you plan on feeling old when you reach my age, youre gonna be one grumpy old fart. Pray that you still have my attitude by then or be prepared to be miserable.

    Midlife crises? new sports car? Viagra?

    Dang Getrealistic (what the fuk does that mean by the way, I guess its something my generation cant comprehend)... can you be less creative with your comebacks? stay away from the age cliches Crawford groupie.

    Yes, because its not my use of no homo that got you talking... its your obsession with #11.

    Just because you think my nuts hang down to my ankles doesn't mean you can swing on 'em... please get off (no homo, no homo, no homo, no homo)

    clowwwnnnnnn

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