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Thread: GAME 1!!!! Heat vs Knicks Game Thread 10/29

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    Hey guys I was very excited watching this game. The end of the 4th got really sloppy, but the rest of the game was top notch by the Knicks. Crawford was on fire, Wilson Chandler impressed once again showing that he will definetly take Q's spot when Chandler gets back to 100%. I finally saw Gallinari even thought he scored 0 points, I understand that he was extremely nervous........

    BIGGEST SURPRISE

    I know everyone is probably talking about it......Marbury not in the rotation? This guy went down to 198, looked good in practice and is not even getting one minute? Eventually Mike D is going to play him atelast 15 min a game...Knick fans were chanting his name in the 4th. This could be a way to put a spark up Marbury's you know what. I really don't know the exact reason. Curry was obvious...Marbury was a shocker.

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    yeahhh im gonna stop posting info since it seems most people here dont read it

    look a page back, i told you why, straight out of d'antoni's mouth


    r.e.a.d.

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    David Lee is the PG of this offense really with his outlet passing.

    Our offense can do much more if we had a PG who can pentrate to the paint...*whistles*

    Our interior defense will be the worst in the NBA again...we honestly need a couple of post defenders to keep us in the game in the 4th quarter and FORCE teams to shoot the ball from a long percentage.

    Beasley was godawful. He's an individual player...who can't play within a team. Chicago made the right choice in Rose.

    I don't know how many games we can win with Crawford as the primary scorer.
    We've done that too much times and see too much failure to have be done again.

    Q-Rich was actually good.

    Lee was amazing in every aspect of basketball.

    Robinson's shot selection still stinks, but made a lot of nice passes.

    I can't believe my eyes when I saw Mardy Caca Collins get PT over Marbury...gross.

    Chandler didn't surprise me, I expected him to be a 15 ppg scorer before anyone.

    Duhon's defense is really USELESS in a system like this...and his offense is limited. He got raped by multiple men, Chalmers, Wade, and Banks...all who had an easy time getting to the basket courtesy of Chris Slohon.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    David Lee is the PG of this offense really with his outlet passing.

    Our offense can do much more if we had a PG who can pentrate to the paint...*whistles*

    Our interior defense will be the worst in the NBA again...we honestly need a couple of post defenders to keep us in the game in the 4th quarter and FORCE teams to shoot the ball from a long percentage.

    Beasley was godawful. He's an individual player...who can't play within a team. Chicago made the right choice in Rose.

    I don't know how many games we can win with Crawford as the primary scorer.
    We've done that too much times and see too much failure to have be done again.

    Q-Rich was actually good.

    Lee was amazing in every aspect of basketball.

    Robinson's shot selection still stinks, but made a lot of nice passes.

    I can't believe my eyes when I saw Mardy Caca Collins get PT over Marbury...gross.

    Chandler didn't surprise me, I expected him to be a 15 ppg scorer before anyone.

    Duhon's defense is really USELESS in a system like this...and his offense is limited. He got raped by multiple men, Chalmers, Wade, and Banks...all who had an easy time getting to the basket courtesy of Chris Slohon.
    I agree they prob. won't win a ton if they have to rely on Crawford to be the lead scorer, but the fact is last night there were 6 Knicks in double figures. I don't see them having to rely on Crawford, he was the lead scorer more by chance I think, there were a ton of guys scoring any one of whom could've been the leading scorer.

    The problem with Duhon is that he seems to make bonehead fouls sending the team to the line for a 3-point opp. That has to stop. B/c the team is running, Duhon I think tends to get beaten and just tries to hold them, but not effectively enough to stop them from scoring.

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    I don't think they relied on Crawford to be the lead scorer. D'Antoni's offense is free flowing and therefore anyone can have a big game. It just happened that Crawford had the hot hand early last night and it never cooled down. I think you will see plenty of games where Zach, Chandler, Nate and whoever else that can take advantage of the opposing teams matchup be the games leading scorer. I actually thought the scoring was pretty well balanced.

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    damn for a teaM daT only won 23 games lASt seASon, yA sure ARE negative ,like is if we been successful A team

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    Great game last night!!! Watching the uptempo style of play is one of my guilty pleasures, just not sure how many games you can win that way. Positives I took from the game:

    1. After shedding the weight Q-rich looks like the old Q-rich again which is a great sign.

    2. Wilson Chandler great as advertised. Don't know how he snuck through Depaul without me noticing but keep him in the role as super sub, first off the bench.

    3. Great balanced scoring and plenty of assists. Guard play was awesome from from Duhon to Mardy to Nate. Steph doesn't get in because a shoot first guard has no place in this offense and Coach was trying to make a point sitting him down.

    Negatives:

    1. Letting them back in the game. Its hard to lead an NBA team bell to bell but the comeback was inexcusable. Guess it wouldn't be Knicks-Heat if it wasn't interesting.

    2. Lee played great and Z-Bo shot well, but Udanis Haslem owned them both in the paint. Elton Brand is going to have 40 friday night. Keep making the snacks jokes but we will need E-city before the season is over. Hopefully he will be back soon.

    Can't be too high after the win because the Heat are not a great team but anytime you can start the season with a win you can't complain too much.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Great game last night!!! Watching the uptempo style of play is one of my guilty pleasures, just not sure how many games you can win that way. Positives I took from the game:

    1. After shedding the weight Q-rich looks like the old Q-rich again which is a great sign.

    2. Wilson Chandler great as advertised. Don't know how he snuck through Depaul without me noticing but keep him in the role as super sub, first off the bench.

    3. Great balanced scoring and plenty of assists. Guard play was awesome from from Duhon to Mardy to Nate. Steph doesn't get in because a shoot first guard has no place in this offense and Coach was trying to make a point sitting him down.

    Negatives:

    1. Letting them back in the game. Its hard to lead an NBA team bell to bell but the comeback was inexcusable. Guess it wouldn't be Knicks-Heat if it wasn't interesting.

    2. Lee played great and Z-Bo shot well, but Udanis Haslem owned them both in the paint. Elton Brand is going to have 40 friday night. Keep making the snacks jokes but we will need E-city before the season is over. Hopefully he will be back soon.

    Can't be too high after the win because the Heat are not a great team but anytime you can start the season with a win you can't complain too much.
    I agree with most of your post except:

    Guard play wasn't awesome. Duhon and Nate had solid games, however Duhon failed to defend and couldn't keep his man in front of him. Mardy did nothing particularly well last night and could have easily given those minutes to Marbury.

    Why will we NEED Curry?? It's not like he's a defensive presence or rebounds. It would be nice to bring him in for certain situations but I don't think there is a need. I'd rather have Jeffries back first.

    I definitely agree with your Brand prediction though. He is superior to Haslem in the paint and the way Haslem had his way last night then Brand could easily put up 35 and 15.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I agree with most of your post except:

    Guard play wasn't awesome. Duhon and Nate had solid games, however Duhon failed to defend and couldn't keep his man in front of him. Mardy did nothing particularly well last night and could have easily given those minutes to Marbury.

    Why will we NEED Curry?? It's not like he's a defensive presence or rebounds. It would be nice to bring him in for certain situations but I don't think there is a need. I'd rather have Jeffries back first.

    I definitely agree with your Brand prediction though. He is superior to Haslem in the paint and the way Haslem had his way last night then Brand could easily put up 35 and 15.
    I think I agree, I like Jeffries, he can play defense in transition which I think will be valuable on this team. Is he an all-star? Certainly not. But I think he could really do well in the system.

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    D'Antoni only wants to have around 9 guys in the rotation. This is the way I see it.

    Lee
    Zach
    Q-Rich
    Crawford
    Duhon
    Chandler
    Nate
    Gallo

    Here's where it gets tricky. You have 4 players left who have realistic chances in Mardy, Steph, Jeffries and Curry. Now based on what I've seen during the preseason I'd pick Marbury. BUT coach seems to like Mardy's size and his ability to defend BUT in Dantoni's running system Steph would fit in better. On the other hand, he really likes Jeffries length and his ability to guard multiple positions. Curry's chances are very slim. Out of the four I'd hate to see Marbury out of the mix because he's in the best shape and can still play at a very high level.

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    I know it was only the 1st game but it was a great win for us tonight. Mike D. is a great coach and we will see that more and more as the season progresses. Great coaches make adjustments both in-game and game-to-game adjustments. I not talking about 47 different starting lineups ala Larry Brown but minor, subtle and effective adjustments. Although he didn't do it last night, I guarantee the next time the Knicks have a big lead late in the 3rd period you will see Mike D slow down the offense. I'm not talking about slowing it down to last years pace where we held the ball for 20 seconds and then had Crawford take a desperation shot, but slowing it down and looking for good shots inside. Last night we took a big lead and then started throwing up 3's as if we were down by 20 instead of up by 20.

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    A win is a win I know, but if the KNicks believe they will win consistantly this year with Duhon as their primary PG they are ****in fools. Marbury not playing one minute, what sense does that make really. I mean 1 if you are going to trade him at the deadline then play him so other teams can see what they are going to get. If you dont intend on trading him, then let the man play and show why he is the best point guard on this team.

    As some of you know, I like Curry, always thought he was going to be a good player, but him not losing 20 pounds or so over the off season basically lead him to where he his, sitting onthe bench.

    The defense as we al know is garbage, it wasn't going to be fixed by D'antoni coming in thats for sure. D'antoni is making the same mistake that Isiah made in not bringing in a a coach who specializes in defense. Let's see how things work out though

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    Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
    A win is a win I know, but if the KNicks believe they will win consistantly this year with Duhon as their primary PG they are ****in fools. Marbury not playing one minute, what sense does that make really. I mean 1 if you are going to trade him at the deadline then play him so other teams can see what they are going to get. If you dont intend on trading him, then let the man play and show why he is the best point guard on this team.

    As some of you know, I like Curry, always thought he was going to be a good player, but him not losing 20 pounds or so over the off season basically lead him to where he his, sitting onthe bench.

    The defense as we al know is garbage, it wasn't going to be fixed by D'antoni coming in thats for sure. D'antoni is making the same mistake that Isiah made in not bringing in a a coach who specializes in defense. Let's see how things work out though
    It has nothing to do with Mike as to why we can't play interior defense. We just don't have the size. Its hard for David Lee playing center at 6'8" to guard guys who have considerable size in both height and reach over him. Nothing he can do, doesn't matter who is coaching him. You can't teach height.

    Thats why we need a tall athletic shot blocker...If only Rome wasn't a fat piece of crap that was injury prone he might actually have a use as defense was the reason we signed him originally...

    We need to make a trade because this void is huge. It is going to be our main problem when we play bigger teams... Think about Orlando, Boston, Nets, PHilly, Cleveland, etc... These teams all have legit 7 footer, or atleast close to it, and how can we be expected to stop them with a 6'8" guy...

    The only way to stop these guys is to prevent them from getting the ball and that isn't a veru realisitic goal or expectation that we can have...

    We need someone...Darko...Shawne Williams...Someone....

    It SHOULD improve when Jeffries comes back because he is 6'11" and known for his defense and matches up defensively much better at the 4 and 5. He has the length and size we need. Damn that fibula....


    But I think overall you cannot blame the interior defense on Mike because no coach can create defense when you don't have the personel. It cannot be done. Sure sucks they don't let you play zone in the NBA.....

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    Tuner: just in re: how the Knicks will stop teams with bigger players, I agree they prob. will have a tough time stopping them. I think what you'll see D'Antoni try to do is tire these guys out. Keep running, keep moving, if you are going to have to try and defend a talented seven footer, getting him exhausted is the best way to do it outside of putting your own seven footer on him...At worst the seven footer has to take a break and sit on the bench and the opponent has to bring in a fresh but not as talented player or the opponent will just play their exhausted 7 footer.

    Not saying it will work, just saying that'll prob. be how it's done

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    damn for a teaM daT only won 23 games lASt seASon, yA sure ARE negative ,like is if we been successful A team
    No offense brother, but this is same loser mentality every Isiahsexual used in previous seasons.

    Comparing the current season to one of the worst seasons in Franchise history(mostly every year under Isiah's realm).
    It makes no sense, has no point of emphasis and really degrades the standards of Knicks fans in general.

    Please, in defense of the Knicks nation, stop this sh*t. Its not needed. 23 wins is the past. Stop bringing it up.

    We have every right to damn the team for their errors(no one is perfect), but ERRORS that have been continuing and look like to be problems in the future especially we have players who have weakness in those areas(especially post defense).

    You sure are positive, jolly, happy, disney, and gay for a Knicks fan...you really need to wake up and smell the coffee.

    I'm happy we won the game, but I'm still not happy with the direction this team is headed. Half of the roster I don't want part of the future, and I want changes to start building on the franchise in 2010, where we could finally start over and truly rebuild this team from scratch.

    Peace.

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