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    And yesterday it didn't sound as if the phone were ringing off the hook. "People call and they're trying to see what you're doing," Walsh said. "It's not that hot, I wouldn't say that. But there are conversations going on."

    Most teams with any interest in the Knicks' players are in observation mode right now, according to some NBA team executives. For instance, the Cleveland Cavaliers and Detroit Pistons are believed to be monitoring Zach Randolph, who has played very well so far, but his contract ($48 million left over three years) still compromises the Knicks' 2010 plan.

    With Rasheed Wallace having an absolutely horrible preseason and in the last year of his contract, perhaps Dumars is willing to provide New York with a little cap relief in exchange for Zach Randolph. Although pairing Randolph with the young and inexperienced Amir Johnson may be a risk, it may be riskier allowing the Cavaliers acquiring Randolph's services and leaping ahead of Detroit in the Central.


    Not really a strong article, but this is good for open discussion.

    I would do(fair, both reasonable deals for both teams)

    Rasheed for Zach works.


    Detroit gets an offensive presence inside who would fit in with their half court offense.

    Knicks get a PF who can spread the floor and play defense...something none of our bigs can do.

    Plus, Rasheed expires, and this is a major plus for the Knicks.


    With Cleveland

    This should be our goal:

    Get all expiring contracts; ,Snow, Wally and Wallace who expires in 2010.

    Knicks trade
    Randolph
    Crawford
    Richardson
    Jefferies

    Cavs trade
    Wallace
    Zscerbiak
    Snow


    Cleveland
    PG - Williams/West/Gibson
    SG - Crawford/Palvovic/Kinsey
    SF - James/Richardson/Jefferies
    PF - Randolph/Hickson
    C - Ilgaukaus/Varejao/Wright

    Cleveland gets two 20 ppg scorers...huge help for Lebron, along with their new scoring PG in Williams. That should be enough offensive firepower to take pressure off Lebron and take Cleveland to the next level.



    With that...I would offer OKC

    Curry

    for

    Smith
    Mason
    Serge Ibaka

    or

    something...Curry is so useless to this point who knows what trade value he has.

    or do Curry/Lee for Camby..iono, Curry sucks so bad.

    Line up for the Knicks if we pull off that Cleveland deal

    Guard1 - Duhon/Snow
    Guard2 - Marbury/Robinson
    Point F - Gallinari/Wally
    Wing F - Chandler/Ewing
    PF/C - Lee/Wallace

    Run a 4 - 1 offense...preform successfully and have cap flexibility.

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    The Rasheed deal is ideal, immediate cap relief this off season while getting a player who can be productive while players like Wilson and Danillo are brought along. I've also heard that Detroit has interest in Zach, but I never got it considering they have Maxiel, maybe they veiw him more as a role player type. So this would be the ideal move for The Knicks and hopefully the descripency in talent is enough to keep them from asking for a pick.


    Now with The Cavs

    I proposed Zach and Jamal to Clev. atleast 10 times this summer, and I think it could be a good move for both teams (them talent wise, us cap wise). But, I can't see them taking on Jared Jefferies and Q's contracts. That's 35 million more in cap over the next three seasons for two players who struggle offensively to say the least. Now, they could be help on the defensive end, but not enough to nulify their shooting. But again Zach and Jamal to Clev. makes them instant Title contenders, and makes our future very bright


    I've been against trading Lee just to move Eddy, but in the event we could get Marcus Camby I'd have to say it would be intriguing. The risk ofcourse is in Marcus' age and injury woes, but, he would certainly fill a major void, and he can run as good as any big man in the league.

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    Coach Brown would make Richardson and Jefferies into the defenders they've been known to be; Cleveland could actually utilize both of those guys, don't think so black and white.

    The best deal for us is trading Randolph, but also letting go of Crawford along with Randolph...

    The main targets are
    Crawford
    Curry
    Richardson
    Jefferies
    Randolph


    Once they're gone, we're free.

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    SMH @ Paul's statement

    I thought Paul supported winning. I guess he wants the Knicks to win a franchise low 22 games, with Chris Duhon and Quentin Richardson as starters.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Coach Brown would make Richardson and Jefferies into the defenders they've been known to be; Cleveland could actually utilize both of those guys, don't think so black and white.

    The best deal for us is trading Randolph, but also letting go of Crawford along with Randolph...

    The main targets are
    Crawford
    Curry
    Richardson
    Jefferies
    Randolph


    Once they're gone, we're free.
    I agree that Mike Brown could use them effectively, but they are expensive for the type of role they would be playing. Boston doesnt win the Title without players like House, PJ Brown etc. which is what type of role Jefferies and Q would have with Clev, but you just don't shell out 14 million for that sought of role. IMHO

    The main targets to me are still the three headed Zeke Monster

    Randolph
    Curry
    Crawford

    It would be nice to move all three but a combination of Zach and another is cool. But like you pointed out earlier there might be more chance at Eddy beating Micheal Phelps in 100m Breast Stroke than us making a deal for him. I just keep hoping his deminished role will prompt him to bounce to Europe next summer.

    Now back to Zach and Jamal, I like them both but I envision them both as players who push an already good team (ie. Clev) over the top, similar to Rasheed Wallace and what he did for the Pistions, but theyre not players you build with or around. So that is the reason they need to go

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    I see Cavs as a top 3 team in the East with Boston and Orlando, they could afford expensive contracts. But you made a good point about Boston role players having cheap contracts.

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    ^ i agree with your top 3 teams i would say philly but they could overtake orlando but they gonna adjust to their new offensive style....anyways i would wanna trade Randolph to the Pistons for Wallace or try to get Maxiell instead...we got like the most expensive bench players in the league lmao

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    I think detroit will be a top 3 team...until the playoffs. I think it might be clevelands year...if anyones takin out the celtics i think its the cavs. If Gibson didnt get hurt and miss game 7, the smell****s might not be the champs right now. Orlando will be tough too....Dwight howard is a beast. I look forward to watchin him son that old man kevin Garlic

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    Well lets say that Clevland landed Zach and Jamal, for sure they are the toughest team in the Conference. In fact I cant see a team in the league taken them out in a series. But ofcourse that puts us in perfect position to go after Lebron in two years, and if The Cavs start winning that may be enough to keep Lebron from wanting to leave. One GM would end up looking really stupid, and the other would end up looking like GM of The Year.

    A little off the subject, but doesnt Kobe have an option to test the market soon?

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    A little off the subject, but doesnt Kobe have an option to test the market soon?
    Yes, he can opt out after this season for the 2009-2010 season. Who knows what will happen by then, but one would think he would want either stay or re-sign with the Lakers.

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    I forgot to say that i would trade z-bo for rasheed without thinkin about it

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    I forgot to say that i would trade z-bo for rasheed without thinkin about it
    For sure, Sheed can score and rebound just as well as Zach and his defense is SO much better than Zach's.

    The Cavs trade is good because it gets rid of almost all of our crappy contracts, but we take a small step down in talent. But it's probably the best we could get for them. I would make either of them, but I would prefer the Detroit trade.

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    this is what pistons fans say:

    There
    were some reports over the summer that the Knicks were looking to deal
    Randolph, and the Pistons were one of the teams mentioned, but nothing
    much ever came of it. Reports out of New York are saying the Pistons
    and the Cavaliers are both scouting the Knicks and watching how
    Randolph performs.


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    Even with yesterday's cuts - Houston, whose second comeback attempt
    unceremoniously ended, has accepted a player development role with the
    team - the Knicks still have 16 players on the roster, one more than
    the NBA limit. They have until Monday to finalize the roster and will
    have to eat one of the guaranteed contracts to make the last cut unless
    Walsh can work a two-for-one or one-for-draft pick trade before then.
    And yesterday it didn't sound as if the phone were ringing off the
    hook. "People call and they're trying to see what you're doing," Walsh
    said. "It's not that hot, I wouldn't say that. But there are
    conversations going on."


    Most teams with any interest in the Knicks' players are in
    observation mode right now, according to some NBA team executives. For
    instance, the Cleveland Cavaliers and Detroit Pistons are believed to
    be monitoring Zach Randolph, who has played very well so far, but his
    contract ($48 million left over three years) still compromises the
    Knicks' 2010 plan.

    With
    Rasheed Wallace having an absolutely horrible preseason and in the last
    year of his contract, perhaps Dumars is willing to provide New York
    with a little cap relief in exchange for Zach Randolph. Although
    pairing Randolph with the young and inexperienced Amir Johnson may be a
    risk, it may be riskier allowing the Cavaliers acquiring Randolph's
    services and leaping ahead of Detroit in the Central.












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    Originally Posted by jpz17
    this is what pistons fans say:

    There
    were some reports over the summer that the Knicks were looking to deal
    Randolph, and the Pistons were one of the teams mentioned, but nothing
    much ever came of it. Reports out of New York are saying the Pistons
    and the Cavaliers are both scouting the Knicks and watching how
    Randolph performs.

    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    Even with yesterday's cuts - Houston, whose second comeback attempt
    unceremoniously ended, has accepted a player development role with the
    team - the Knicks still have 16 players on the roster, one more than
    the NBA limit. They have until Monday to finalize the roster and will
    have to eat one of the guaranteed contracts to make the last cut unless
    Walsh can work a two-for-one or one-for-draft pick trade before then.
    And yesterday it didn't sound as if the phone were ringing off the
    hook. "People call and they're trying to see what you're doing," Walsh
    said. "It's not that hot, I wouldn't say that. But there are
    conversations going on."


    Most teams with any interest in the Knicks' players are in
    observation mode right now, according to some NBA team executives. For
    instance, the Cleveland Cavaliers and Detroit Pistons are believed to
    be monitoring Zach Randolph, who has played very well so far, but his
    contract ($48 million left over three years) still compromises the
    Knicks' 2010 plan.
    With
    Rasheed Wallace having an absolutely horrible preseason and in the last
    year of his contract, perhaps Dumars is willing to provide New York
    with a little cap relief in exchange for Zach Randolph. Although
    pairing Randolph with the young and inexperienced Amir Johnson may be a
    risk, it may be riskier allowing the Cavaliers acquiring Randolph's
    services and leaping ahead of Detroit in the Central.












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    Trade deadline seems about the right time that teams, like the Pistons, will make a move towards Zach. Been saying it for some time about Zach and the trade deadline. He can;t stay and he is impressing so far.

    Sooner or later this year, he will go.

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    Well scratch Detroit as a potential trade partner, a new report just shot it down!

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    Damn that would've been a clean break!

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