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    abc yea we coud win this but we gotta get over one thing...and its not Duncan,it's the mental stage.cause in the players eyes were playing the SPURS they won championships 4 out of the last 10 years,and it doesnt help we havent won there in years.

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    i agree wit what LJ said, a PG doesnt have to score to make an impact on da game, duhon doesnt have to score 15 a game to be successful in this offense, sure steve nash scored 16 points a game under d'antoni but thats steve nash, steve nash is a great OFFENSIVE pg(overrated player though), as long as duhon has the offense lookin fluid and plays solid defense, he's doing his job

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    I like point guards who can score when they have to and thats one of the biggest question marks i have with duhorn. Im still not convinced that hes as good of a defender as advertised. He made some nice defensive plays but they were against backup point guards. I dont hate duhon, i dont even dislike him. I hope he does prove me wrong, for the best of the team but at this point i cant give him the credit that some of the other posters on here are givin him.

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    The Suns were worse than 4-11 without Nash in just 2006-2007. The Suns were 61-21 that year. That shows the Suns cannot win without him. In D'Antoni's system the point guard has the ball most often. As you have seen with Duhon, he's been on a lot of highlights this year because hes had some many chances. He should be on a lot more though. Nate Robinson has also been on a lot of highlights this year. Imagine if those minutes of Duhon went to Marbury. Lets replace Duhon's minutes with Marbury in his first year as a Knicks. Duhon is getting 36.8 mpg. Lets subtract his 8.2 ppg and add Marbury's 21.7 ppg. The Knicks are averaging 105 ppg. Added together the Knicks would have 118.5 ppg with Steph and not Duhon. Thats 12 ppg higher than the team who has the most ppg in the league (the lakers). Marbury had 8.1 ppg in a Lenny Wilkins style of play, while Duhon has 6.7 apg in a D'Antoni style. Its obviously not a question..

    Marbury on knicks>>>>Duhon on Knicks

    to any idiot who doesn't realize a pg is the most important position in a D'Antoni system, go back to the 2nd grade..

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    I like point guards who can score when they have to and thats one of the biggest question marks i have with duhorn. Im still not convinced that hes as good of a defender as advertised. He made some nice defensive plays but they were against backup point guards. I dont hate duhon, i dont even dislike him. I hope he does prove me wrong, for the best of the team but at this point i cant give him the credit that some of the other posters on here are givin him.
    Duhorn has been good so far this season but he played mostly against backups-which is is with all due respect his competition, he's gonna get ****ted on by Chris Paul, and all the other elites thats just not his level.when we play those teams thats when the losses will come.

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    Originally Posted by jpz17
    to any idiot who doesn't realize a pg is the most important position in a D'Antoni system, go back to the 2nd grade..
    And thats why Duhon is playing. He creates on the floor. He can't shoot for **** so he gets the ball to the open guys.

    Marbury was always a SG trapped in a PGs body. A lot of assists are manufactured when you are the primary ball handler. Just look at Lebron...He was always the guy bringing the ball up the court. So when he swings to a guy and they hit a jumped, he gets an assist for practically nothing. Guys who handle the ball the majority SHOULD be getting assists. Its just how it works...

    Honestly, I've always thought Marbury was bad for D's system. Hes a 1/2 court player. Lots of iso and drive. Worked, but not what you want from D's system where ball movement is goal number 1. Thats why Crawford played so badly in the preseason because thats the ONLY way he could play. He needs the dribbles before shooting. Hell, he still will dribble a cpl times and put it throught his legs before jacking a three up...

    We had WAY too many halfcourt players who relied on isolation basketball to get points...But that is kinda the way the league has been going lately...The rule changes on hand checking fouls and stuff have worked to create iso basketball because everyone(fans) wanna see ppl getting crossed over and a guy swooping in for a dunk...

    Sad watching Ball today and then seeing vintage 80s **** like Lakers v. Celtics. Hell, I like watching 70s **** too. Bucks with Lew Alcindor and the Big O... Those guys could shoot...Ball moved around, there weren't great dunks and highlight plays, but it was such fundamental basketball an the competition between these teams and how they worked together as one unit made it beautiful...

    Kinda like how Pele would talk of the beautiful game where they would play 3 strikers and try to score instead of how prof. leagues around the world are turning to counterattacking offenses now and games go 1-0 way too much.

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    *quickly skimmed tuners boring, poor written post*

    Marbury is a point guard

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    And thats why Duhon is playing. He creates on the floor. He can't shoot for **** so he gets the ball to the open guys.

    Marbury was always a SG trapped in a PGs body. A lot of assists are manufactured when you are the primary ball handler. Just look at Lebron...He was always the guy bringing the ball up the court. So when he swings to a guy and they hit a jumped, he gets an assist for practically nothing. Guys who handle the ball the majority SHOULD be getting assists. Its just how it works...

    Honestly, I've always thought Marbury was bad for D's system. Hes a 1/2 court player. Lots of iso and drive. Worked, but not what you want from D's system where ball movement is goal number 1. Thats why Crawford played so badly in the preseason because thats the ONLY way he could play. He needs the dribbles before shooting. Hell, he still will dribble a cpl times and put it throught his legs before jacking a three up...

    We had WAY too many halfcourt players who relied on isolation basketball to get points...But that is kinda the way the league has been going lately...The rule changes on hand checking fouls and stuff have worked to create iso basketball because everyone(fans) wanna see ppl getting crossed over and a guy swooping in for a dunk...

    Sad watching Ball today and then seeing vintage 80s **** like Lakers v. Celtics. Hell, I like watching 70s **** too. Bucks with Lew Alcindor and the Big O... Those guys could shoot...Ball moved around, there weren't great dunks and highlight plays, but it was such fundamental basketball an the competition between these teams and how they worked together as one unit made it beautiful...

    Kinda like how Pele would talk of the beautiful game where they would play 3 strikers and try to score instead of how prof. leagues around the world are turning to counterattacking offenses now and games go 1-0 way too much.
    I'm not sure..... but I think the guy that brings up the ball is the point guard, someone double check that for me. Ask Isiah, he will know!

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    SMH @ Tuneraddict's ignorant post. Stephon Marbury is a point guard. How many shooting guards average 7.8 assists for their career? Plus, the season just started. Duhon hasn't proved s#!t yet. He sucks.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    . Duhon hasn't proved s#!t yet. He sucks.
    duhon has yet proved anything to u but yet he sucks???interesting....

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    duhon has yet proved anything to u but yet he sucks???interesting....
    What's your point, truth? That post didn't make sense, now that I reread it. Oh, well. I gotta start making better posts. Starting tomorrow, my posts are going to be top quality.

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    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    he's gonna get ****ted on by Chris Paul
    like chris paul doesnt **** on 99% of the NBA other PGs, and to abcd, u not makin sense cuz u said duhon hasnt proven anything to you and that he sucks, so u basically saying everybody hasnt proven anything to u sucks??

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    SMH @ Tuneraddict's ignorant post. Stephon Marbury is a point guard. How many shooting guards average 7.8 assists for their career? Plus, the season just started. Duhon hasn't proved s#!t yet. He sucks.

    Sigh...Name call all you want. Atleast I think out what I write and actually care about the Knicks...

    Where did I mention Duhon being good? I just said he is more built to be a player that makes plays for others...

    You're childish name calling and insulting just shows the educated on this site what you really are, and that you don't really have an argument. Not really worth wasting my time.

    This is the last time I acknowledge that you exist.

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    like chris paul doesnt **** on 99% of the NBA other PGs, and to abcd, u not makin sense cuz u said duhon hasnt proven anything to you and that he sucks, so u basically saying everybody hasnt proven anything to u sucks??
    which player did marbury make better?

    which player did duhon make better?

    Those are the two most important questions, that should be discussed at the end of the season.

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    Sigh...Name call all you want. Atleast I think out what I write and actually care about the Knicks...

    Where did I mention Duhon being good? I just said he is more built to be a player that makes plays for others...

    You're childish name calling and insulting just shows the educated on this site what you really are, and that you don't really have an argument. Not really worth wasting my time.

    This is the last time I acknowledge that you exist.
    Please explain.. I guess I'm not the educated enough

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