hello family. i;ve been waiting a while to post again mainly because i just wanted to sit back and see what happens with the knicks, with our play and more importantly with what you guys have to say. this is the thread i feel i needed to post on.
I LIKE STEPHON MARBURY.
let me get that out first and foremost
I LIKE STEPHON MARBURY.
BUT! i am happy he is sitting the bench. im not a hater. infact i will say stephon marbury is the most talented player the knicks have on the roster and whole staff including Allan houston in his hayday or even mike D in italy. but all the talent in the world cant help stephon make this team. same with curry.
the problem corrupting the knicks over the years have been bad chemistry. bad teammanship. and me me philosophy. escaping the marbury arguement and PLEASE PLEASE dont turn this into one. Marbury is just not right for the team. we all agree the isiah went in the wrong direction. big contracts. not rebuilding... i just dont understand why when Walsh and Coach D do so.. you guys throw a fit.
our goal is to be there in 2010 for the big class. (which i think D Wade is more likely of an option than LBJ or Bosh) thats another story. in the meantime we play the youngsters who play cheap until next year. and sign Duhon to run the team along with Nate and JC for MLE for two years. expiring before that class comes out.
DUHON not Duhorn which some of you people keep putting as a redundant HORRIBLE NOT FUNNY joke is a solid player. and im sorry. i laughed every time you guys jumped the gun and wrote horrible comments about him early in the season. he just needed time to settle. build chemistry and feel comfortable to run the floor. he feels that way now. Derrick Rose started off the same way.. not a single person on TV or in this chatroom said anything about it. but Rose is coming to his own as well.
no one says Duhon is better than Steph (even though his winning percentage proves otherwise). no one is saying Duhon is Mike's next Nash. But what Im saying and you should be aswell is that Duhon is the point guard we need at this time. young. quick contract. unselfish. and this oh he cant score comments... first off he's obviously proved that theory wrong but secondly WHO CARES IF HE COULDN'T?!?! we have twelve other guys who can do that, and that alone. let this guy do what he does. play unselfish ball and run the team.
Marbury is better than Duhon. point and simple.
But Marbury is not better for this team. Im sorry.
Every team needs a Ward. a Smith. and right now we need a Duhon.
and eventually we need a Ewing or.. well Wade. haha and that time will come. but the team is flowing. were getting wins which is weird. playing team ball. and we should all be happy. stop hating a guy cause his name isnt on his shoes. and start loving what the Millers. and Duhons bring to a team.
Great points, and I'd like to tack on something I put in another post for Team Starbury, it's a repost but it's completely relevant to your point, assuming as Team Starbury says, this team is a better team with Marbury at the point:
One thing I think the Marbury fans haven't answered though, and it's always been my opinion, is that maybe Marbury starting ISN'T the best thing for the Knicks and here's why.
I've said it over and over the Knicks are NOT a championship team with Marbury, even Marbury lovers have to admit this team is a barely in playoffs/barely out of playoffs team this year with Marbury at the point. Marbury also will not be on this team next year whether he plays or doesn't play, I think everyone can also agree on that.
The improvement Marbury gives you actually hurts in the end. The Knicks owe either their 2009 or 2010 Draft Pick to Utah via the Stephon Marbury trade (PHX traded to Utah). The 2009 Pick is top 22 protected, meaning if the Knicks finish with draft picks 1-22, they do NOT have to give up their pick in 2009 BUT if that were to happen they would owe their 2010 Draft Pick either way.
So let's assume the Marbury fans were right, he should play, he made us a better team but not enough to be pick 23 or above. That means we get that pick in 2009. It would probably be around 11-15ish? Then, when Marbury leaves, and the team is worse off (as Marbury lovers state, this team is worse without Marbury) and finish out of the playoffs again but likely with a top 10 draft pick. That top 10 pick goes to Utah, and our hands are tied.
What does this mean for the 2009 Draft in terms of rebuilding (with or without Marbury that's what's happening)? It has to count. It. Has. To. Count. That means this team needs a solid pick this year whether they use it as a trade chip or they can actually get a difference maker in the draft. The Marbury trade is costing a lot of draft picks, let's at least try and be smart about it when we can.
In addition, Marbury is not in this team's future. We've seen Nate Rob flourish off the bench this year (I personally think he should be the starter), we've seen Chandler flourish (see my opinion on Nate Rob) and I think the important thing this year is to get these guys who are going to be around next year used to playing together. If Duhon is going to be the point guard of this team as Mike D'Antoni's chosen one, then he needs minutes.
Does Marbury make the team better this year, in 2008-09? Definitely, I buy that 100%. I think the team right now would be be better off with Steph
this year. I'm just not sure his playing time and what's fair to Marbury is what's best for the team. Is he talented? He sure is. He's also untradeable, no amount of playing time is going to make anybody on earth want to trade for this guy, it's a fact. GMs want no part of him, they see him as a problem child who couldn't get along with his coaches (first Larry Brown, who he now says he misses, and the Isiah Thomas, who was at one point his best friend). And this season Marbury has done what has been asked of him, I respect that a ton, especially with how he might have acted and responded a year or two ago. So yes, Marbury has responded well but in terms of behavior probably does deserve some playing time. But just because someone deserves something doesn't make it the best course of action in the end.