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    Game Thread Knicks @ Bucks 11/21 8:30 PM ET

    The New York Knicks (6-5)

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    The Milwaukee Bucks (5-8)

    Friday November 21, 2008




    In wonderful Downtown Milwaukee



    The Knicks had a little traveling, but not too much to effect the outcome of Friday's game!



    Welcome to the JPZ17 Pre-Game Show

    If you didn't catch the last game heres your highlights!

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    Behind the scenes

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    • The Celtics defeated the Knicks for the seventh straight time and improved to 10-2 this season.
    • Brian Scalabrine started for Kevin Garnett, who was suspended one game, and scored eight points and was 2-for-3 from 3-point range.
    • Jamal Crawford had three points in 25 minutes, his second time scoring in single digits this season and first in eight games.



    <table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr><td colspan="3" class="gamehead" align="center" bgcolor="#555555">Team Stat Comparison</td></tr> <tr class="colhead" align="right"> <td>
    </td> <td>NEW YORK</td> <td>BOSTON</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Points</td> <td>101</td> <td>110</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">FG Made-Attempted</td> <td>37-85 (.435)</td> <td>42-79 (.532)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">3P Made-Attempted</td> <td>9-30 (.300)</td> <td>5-13 (.385)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">FT Made-Attempted</td> <td>18-22 (.818)</td> <td>21-30 (.700)</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Rebounds (Offensive-Total)</td> <td>6-36</td> <td>9-45</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Assists</td> <td>20</td> <td>22</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Turnovers</td> <td>12</td> <td>14</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Steals</td> <td>6</td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Blocks</td> <td>2</td> <td>8</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Fast Break Points</td> <td>23</td> <td>11</td> </tr> <tr class="oddrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Fouls (Tech/Flagrant)</td> <td>20 (4/0)</td> <td>20 (1/0)</td> </tr> <tr class="evenrow" align="right"> <td align="left">Largest Lead</td> <td>7</td> <td>15</td></tr></tbody></table>I will explain why I bolded the text later in our show...




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    I'll be your host today, JPZ and along with Prince as the Knicks take on the Milwaukee Bucks. The Knicks are coming off another rough loss, this time to the Celtics. Of course the Celtics were favored, but you'd have to say the Knicks could have easily won that game by again, holding the lead and stopping on defence. The Knicks are playing the 5-8 Bucks who are coming off a bad loss to Utah.

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    Jefferson had 25, Bogut had 16, and Sessions/Bell had 15. For Utah SF CJ Miles scored 25 off of Richard Jefferson and PF Carlos Boozer had 20 off of Mbah a Moute.

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    The tired out Bucks are coming from Utah after going through a tough west coast road trip inluding Denver, Utah, and Memphis. The Bucks have lost three straight and are a depressing 5-8. One of the reasons why they are doing porely is because allstar Shooting Guard Michael Redd has been out for 8 games, and will likely be out against New York.


    Michael Redd #22 SG
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    <table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>3P%</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>21.3</td><td>1.8</td><td>.458</td></tr></tbody></table>
    The Bucks are also without key contributor Charlie Villanueva.


    (yes he is the ugliest person I've ever seen)

    Charlie Villanueva #31 PF
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    <table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>10.3</td><td>7</td><td>0.4</td></tr></tbody></table>
    Replacing Michael Redd is:
    Charlie Bell #42 SG
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    <table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>3P%</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>8.3</td><td>2.3</td><td>.300</td></tr></tbody></table>

    Replacind Villanueva is:
    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute #12 SF
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    <table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>APG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>10.5</td><td>7.2</td><td>0.8</td></tr></tbody></table>
    (what the heck kind of name is that)

    My official
    JPZ17 Game Prediction:
    Knicks 112 Bucks 98
    If the Knicks don't seriously take advantage of the hurting Bucks they will be 6-6. Its hard to come back from three straight loses. Also, the Bucks have lost three straight! It's like God is asking for New York to win. (sorry to anyone thats not Christen or Jewish)


    presents

    JPZ17's

    FAVE 5 KEYS TO WINNING
    • Do NOT get wipped out
    • Do NOT lose the lead
    • Stop RJ
    • Tire out the Bucks
    • Take advantage of Redd's absence
    JPZ17's
    FIVE THINGS TO
    LOOK OUT FOR


    • Jefferson scores 20
    • A sneaky 15 points by Bell
    • A tired out Bucks
    • Nate The Great
    • Good game by Lee
    Notes on the Bucks by NBA.com

    Including tonight’s tilt, Milwaukee has had just one out of 14 games that wasn’t part of a back-to-back set.
    In fourth quarters at the Bradley Center Ramon Sessions is averaging 8.8 points on 70.0 percent shooting (21-30). He also has eight assists without a turnover in fourth quarters at the BC.
    Luc Richard Mbah a Moute has averaged 7.4 points on 76.0 percent shooting (13-17) in fourth quarters at the Bradley Center. He is also shooting 85.0 percent from the line (11-13).
    The Bucks are 1st in reb. % (.546), defensive reb. % (.773) and 2nd in offensive reb. % (.318).
    Speaking of rebounds, Andrew Bogut is tied for seventh in the NBA with 10.5 per game. Milwaukee is fourth with 13.6 offensive rebounds each night. Andrew Bogut (3.3, 9th) and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (3.0, T-12th) combine for nearly half of those boards (6.3).
    The Bucks are currently 0-2 in a stretch where they play six of seven games on the road. It’s also the second consecutive week where they face four games in five nights (four different cities this week).
    Ramon Sessions has 32 assists against seven turnovers in his last seven games (4.57:1 assist/TO ratio).
    Over his last eight games, Luke Ridnour has knocked down 92.0 percent (23-25) of his free throws. On the
    season he is tied for 17th in the NBA with an 88.9 percentage.
    Ramon Sessions continued his string of double-figure scoring games on Wednesday, reaching double digits in all 11 of his games this season.
    and now I turn it over to my co-host Prince
    for......

    THE PRINCE'S CORNER



    Prediction-107-103 Knicks

    Zach vs Bogut- This is a matchup on both sides of the ball....Bogut gets the edge defensivly since Zach doesnt play much D,and Bogut does the little things a pest would do irratating you...But Zach gets the edge on the Rebounding side as he stands inside the top 5 rebounders in the league,cant jump but he has a Knack for the ball that'll help here vs. Bogut and Zach should have a nice game offensivly but Bogut wont be easy

    Chandler v Mbah A Moute Chandler gets the egde here with his scoring and defensive ability...Moute is a good player who'll develop into a nice starter in this league but he's facing a tough matchup on offense and defense...Chandler will make him work hard on both ends Chandler should drive in cause he's bigger and stronger expect to see alot of help on Chandler and Chandler to post up more

    Key Matchup Q-Rich v Jefferson Jefferson will give Q all he could handle on defense Jefferson is among the best perimeter defenders in the L. Jefferson has a good underrated offensive game he plays we'll and could step outside for the shot or take it to the rack like the best of.Q is streaky he'll make this interesting if he comes to play wil lhe hit his 3s or play like he cant find the hudson with his shot?if he dos this he'll make Rj work if not Jefferson will steal this game

    Duhon v Ridnour Seccions gave Duhon all he could handle starting in place of the then-injured Ridnour, the question is How will Duhon do vs the starter? i think Seccions is better but Ridnour could find the open make drive-and-kick or take the shot himself,Duhon a good defender could also find open guys at an efficient rate,and could knock down a 3 or two.

    Bell Vs Crawford-
    Bell is a decent backup wh's forced into the starting rotation cause of Redd's injury, he doesnt make much of a statistical impact on the game but he does the little things that irritate his opponets, and he jumps the extra foot while defending jumpshot...Crawford cant play D as we know but it wont hurt him as much as it would've vs. Redd, Crawford will have to work more on Offense vs Bell as opposed to Redd.Look for Crawford to have a good offenseive game.
    Thanks Prince! Some intersting takes!

    JPZ Presents Tonights Starting Line-ups!

    New York Knicks Position Milwaukee Bucks

    Zach Randolph C Andrew Bogut

    Very very Interesting matchup.. To guys who can get boards faster than Isiah Thomas can ruin a franchise. Zach will beat Bogut in points most likely. Look for an extremely tough even match-up when Lee comes in if he guards Bogut. Bogut isn't having a fantastic year like Zach, but hes always a threat. This match-up was a good candidate for the key match-up
    Wilson Chandler PF Luc Richard Mbah a Moute

    This is one of the two match-ups not many people will look at. a Moute is a great rebounder who will beat Chandler in that, but he doesn't score very often. As I said above hes averaging 10.5 ppg and 7.5 rpg. Look for a Moute to have a few boards.
    *Quentin Richardson SF Richard Jefferson *
    JPZ17's Key matchup




    I picked this as our key match-up because Jefferson is clreary the best player on the Bucks and this match-up will define the game. If Jefferson sccores 30 and Rihcardson fails at stopping him, look for another 4th quarter game, which the Knicks aern't doing well in so far this year, just like the Suns last year. Q has done well in his last game having above 10 points in his last 2 games, but that doesn't excuse his three pointers he's missed.

    Jamal Crawford SG Charlie Bell

    "Are you kidding?? This matchup is a joke." Is what I said about Crawford vs Green (Dallas) well, same applies here. Crawford>>>>>>Bell. Bell scored 15 points in his last game though. Crawford has been playing porely.. So, I would say this is a semi-close match-up

    Chris Duhon PG Luke Ridnour

    Most ignored match-up of the night. Duhon is better than Ridnour on average, but Ramon Sessions backs up Ridnour. Sessions had 15 in his last game. Ridnour has 11 ppg and 5.5 apg. Even...

    JPZ17's Player Pressure
    Which Knicks is under the most pressure to succeed????






    The answer:Jamal Crawford





    Crawford's poor shot-selection and lack of concistentcy has driven Knick fans mad. On top of the, he has had a depressing last few games. With one good game he could redem himself, but he will have to overcome Charlie Bell. Now, I know what you're saying, "Who's Bell?" well, if Crawford's saying that too he will have a rough night because Bell scored 15 in his last game. Bell will sneak in another 10-15 on friday. Jamal, get your act together!!

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    Stephon Marbury-Inactive
    Danillio Gallinari-Out Indeffinetely
    Jared Jefferies-Day-to-Day
    Eddy Curry-Sore Knee
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    Charlie Villanueva-Day-to-Day



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    Wow, really great game thread, jpz. I like the Prince's corner thing, get's other people's opinion on the game.

    We should be able to win this game without too much difficulty. Redd is their main offensive weapon, and Villanueva helps them too. We need to win this one, and the next one vs the Wizards before Lebron murders us.

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    Nyk Logo Gotta Get a Win

    JPZ, it seems like every thread you do, they get better and better, this one is mind blowing man, great job!!! but the Knicks NEED a win. For their confidence, we played some hard fought battles against dallas and boston and we came up short, the bucks took game 1 in the series so far this season and its time to get even. Ill take an ugly win but we need a win, 2 losses in a row is enough, its time to capitalize. Milwaukee should be and will be an easy victory if New York plays their style. "run and gun"

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    "Co-host" "The Prince's Corner" LOL nice! I like that touch, good job JPZ-

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    Great good jpz, you really involved into one of the better posters of the site.

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    SICK THREAD!!!! that Princes corner **** is hot man, ahh the pyramids i miss that place man...anyways this should be a winnable game look for Chandler to have a Huge game vs an undersized Moute

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    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    SICK THREAD!!!! that Princes corner **** is hot man, ahh the pyramids i miss that place man...anyways this should be a winnable game look for Chandler to have a Huge game vs an undersized Moute
    dam bro you love chandler lol...but yea we should win this game...Jefferson is going to have a big game though idk 30+? micheal redd wont be much of a problem to me just have to defend him in the 3...keep feeding the ball to Zach down low le thim get his cheap buckets get couple 3s here and there and should be a blow out...well intill bucks make there lil RUN in the end but well hold them off

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    yea he's probably my fav knick next to (#3 and #4)...and no homo bout Chandler loll

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    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    yea he's probably my fav knick next to (#3 and #4)...and no homo bout Chandler loll
    yea i feel you..after i saw this dude go in the lane and pop back and shoot up a shot i was like wow this dude is gonna be tough shyt later on...i DEFF see him avg 20+ sometime in his nba career...he just has to get that ONE shot like every superstar does that they never miss...i see him mastering that lil jumpshot in the lane once he does....we will finally have a All Star in the knicks...well we have one but hopefully one that can actually takes us places

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    Predections of dirk:
    knick is win, zac ranfolfs 50 point 23 rebound

    duhon 21 asist

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    Originally Posted by Dirk
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    knick is win, zac ranfolfs 50 point 23 rebound

    duhon 21 asist

    nah Jamel Crawfed will get 70 points, and Note Roboson getin 19 rebonds.

    ....


    But seriously epic game thread, must have taken a fair while. I expect Knicks to win this. Through our fast offense, and Milwaukee will not be able to capitalise on our bad defense.

    Random Fact of the night; Duhons assist to turnover rate is over 4. Higher than Nash's in his MVP year, and 2nd in the league.

    With his good handle, and the inform Chandler, n Zbo we should win by 10+.

    As well, I am looking forward to Jeffries coming back, who is the teams best defender, and should look huge minutes, and hopefully produce games like Bowen, whom I know isn't a great comparison, yet is one of the best defenders in the league

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    The law of averages says that Crawford, hate him or love him, will have one of his break out games, after a couple of bad ones. I predict that he drops 25-30 points, lights up Milwaukee and helps lead the Knicks to a win. If he plays poorly, we lose, no matter what Zack, who's likely to play good, does on that night.

    I think we also need to play DLee, with Chandler at SF, instead of PF, more than we do Q, so we protect our boards more effectively. D'Antoni also has to know when to call time and draw up plays, a huge reason why we lost to Dallas: no plan for taking our last shot in regulation: bricked by Q in a Charles Smith moment. D'Antoni has to make those decisions intelligently, and not with his penis.




    Q: "Slim, come here, they're playing our song. Can I have this dance?"
    J: "I told you, Q bear, not in public."
    Q: "C'mon, slim, I'll lead."
    J: "You know this is going to get on knicksonline, right?"
    Q: "Who cares what they say? We have the right to be happy, too."
    D'Antoni, thinking to himself from afar: (If you really love them, you let them go). "Q, I really taught you how to love, I'm breathless with admiration."
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    Originally Posted by abcd
    The law of averages says that Crawford, hate him or love him, will have one of his break out games, after a couple of bad ones. I predict that he drops 25-30 points, lights up Milwaukee and helps lead the Knicks to a win. If he plays poorly, we lose, no matter what Zack, who's likely to play good, does on that night.

    I think we also need to play DLee, with Chandler at SF, instead of PF, more than we do Q, so we protect our boards more effectively. D'Antoni also has to know when to call time and draw up plays, a huge reason why we lost to Dallas: no plan for taking our last shot in regulation: bricked by Q in a Charles Smith moment. D'Antoni has to make those decisions intelligently, and not with his penis.




    Q: "Slim, come here, they're playing our song. Can I have this dance?"
    J: "I told you, Q bear, not in public."
    Q: "C'mon, slim, I'll lead."
    J: "You know this is going to get on knicksonline, right?"
    Q: "Who cares what they say? We have the right to be happy, too."
    D'Antoni, thinking to himself from afar: (If you really love them, you let them go). "Q, I really taught you how to love, I'm breathless with admiration."


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    Great game thread jpz. Best one i seen from you so far....sumthin like this must take close to 2 hours.

    To beat the bucks...we just have to hit our shots. When we hit our shots, we score about 105 points and win. When we miss shots, we lose. Very simple concept. When we score over 100 points our record is 6-2. Should be 7-1 if it wasnt for that very disappointing loss against dallas.

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    Originally Posted by thekidd13
    yea i feel you..after i saw this dude go in the lane and pop back and shoot up a shot i was like wow this dude is gonna be tough shyt later on...i DEFF see him avg 20+ sometime in his nba career...he just has to get that ONE shot like every superstar does that they never miss...i see him mastering that lil jumpshot in the lane once he does....we will finally have a All Star in the knicks...well we have one but hopefully one that can actually takes us places
    yea man i love the sound of an allstar in NY we havent seen that in a while,but yea this dude will be trouble for his defenders cause he's so versitlie...if he isnt already his strenght is tough to overcome

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