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    Default Stephon Marbury Suspended

    From realgm.com via ESPN.com:

    "For his apparent refusal to play in Detroit, the Knicks have suspended Stephon Marbury without pay. Marbury has also been told to stay away from the team, at least until Monday.

    "A player's central obligation is to provide his professional services when called upon," Donnie Walsh said in announcing the suspension. "Because [Marbury] refused the coach's request to play in the team's last game, we had no choice but to impose disciplinary action."



    With Marbury sent home, the Knicks will try to determine the next course of action. Further fines and suspensions are possible; the team could continue discussions on a buyout; or the Knicks may simply decide to tell Marbury to stay home, pay him his remaining salary, and keep him on the roster until he is traded or released.


    "We feel the discipline imposed by the Knicks is baseless," said Hal Biagas of the National Basketball Players Association. "We plan to file a grievance."



    Marbury gave an extended interview with the New York Post.
    "We need to separate from the relationship," he said. "The marriage is over. It's a done deal."


    About Mike D'Antoni, Marbury said, "I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog across the street.""


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    Donnie Walsh is dying to find a way to take Marbury's money. Marbuy needs to take a 15 million dollar buyout and go to a contender for the other 6 million.

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    It's time for both sides to move on.

    Someone has to explain the mathematics of buyouts to Marbury because he doesn't have an agent to do that. Once he understands that he's not going to get his full Knick salary because he will be able to negotiate another salary with his new team, they can work out the details.

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    aha fined 1/110 of his salary, or 400 k...hey at least its something...i'll really be amazed if some team trys to acquire this guy this year, for any amount..

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    marbury is only hurting his own situation, guy is too stuborn to realize the bigger picter

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    Marbury needs to take a buyout and go to a contender. Anyone with half a brain knows that all he has to do is go to the Celtics or Lakers, and he'll win an instant championship.

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    what if the knicks traded him and said they would pay for say 15 million of his contract? then we get a guy worth 5 or 6 mil that expires

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    Originally Posted by jpz17
    what if the knicks traded him and said they would pay for say 15 million of his contract? then we get a guy worth 5 or 6 mil that expires
    I'm not exactly sure how the contract rules differ in the NBA, I suppose they could do it but there might be some obscure cap restriction that would make it un-doable, because the idea seems to be correctly placed. I've often wondered this too, but it seems that if it was doable it would've been done already, no? Unless there are no takers...

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    well, can't they buy out part of his contract and then trade him?

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    I'm not entirely sure like I said, it would make sense. But maybe the new CBA requires complete buyouts (that is, a void of the contract). I'm not sure, it would make sense but I feel like that would've been done already...

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    Default Can Not Get Around the Cap-Killing Contracts

    The CBA is more complicated than the Internal Revenue Code and there are fewer loopholes.

    If Marbury is bought out/waived -- no matter what the number -- the Knicks cap space is still stuck at the $21.9M amount of his 2008-09 contract. There is a small reduction if he signs with someone else after he is bought out/waived, but that reduction is a fraction of the $1.2M veteran's minmum. I thought it was half of it, $600,000.00, but I have read in some reports that it is only one-quarter, $300,000.00. The Knicks can not pay part of Marbury's contract and take back the difference in someone else's contract.

    Unless the other team has plenty of cap space, Marbury can not be traded without the Knicks taking back essentially the equivalent of Marbury's salary in other contracts. And the team to which Marbury is traded takes on his full $21.9M salary as part of its cap. But rest assured, no team is going to do that.

    Hahn's article today stated that the Knicks can not simply send Marbury home to sit out the season without his approval. I assume the statement is based on some CBA provision.

    I think Marbury's stubbornness is going to force Dolan's hand and the Knicks will eat his entire contract. They can not have him around and Marbury knows that. I am not sure this stubbornness will endear Marbury to his possible future employers.

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    Marbury said he would give up a million

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    Originally Posted by knicklover
    It's time for both sides to move on.

    Someone has to explain the mathematics of buyouts to Marbury because he doesn't have an agent to do that. Once he understands that he's not going to get his full Knick salary because he will be able to negotiate another salary with his new team, they can work out the details.
    'towel-head' fully understands the buyout... he does not want to discount his contract... and while i never had much use for him as a player... i agree with him... a contract is a contract... if u want to be rid of me... pay me in full and adios...

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    Originally Posted by paris401
    'towel-head' fully understands the buyout... he does not want to discount his contract... and while i never had much use for him as a player... i agree with him... a contract is a contract... if u want to be rid of me... pay me in full and adios...
    It NEVER EVER works that way with rational, reasonable, and professional human beings (of course maybe Marbuy doesn't fit into that category).

    They calculate the present value of your contract (since you get the money up front and can earn interest right away you get a little less) and also subtract the value of your new contract.

    That way, the player gets every penny he is entitled to and the team gets a discount because they don't get his services, the new team gets them.

    Some players will accept even less in order to sign with a specific team, specific city etc.... but no one gets full value of their contract and then signs another contract and makes even more money.

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    Ive followed Pacers a lot during Walsh era, and one thing i can say - he deals with 'cancers' around February deadline. Artest is a good example.
    Deadline is when lottery teams show up and look for expiring deals.
    Last edited by rollingstone; Dec 01, 2008 at 15:30.

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