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    Default David Lee: "Our Defense has got to get better"

    Mike D'Antoni scolds David Lee for lousy 'D'

    BY MATT GAGNE
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

    Saturday, December 27th 2008, 1:02 AM

    Mike D'Antoni called a timeout just nine seconds into the fourth quarter of Friday night's 120-107 loss to the Timberwolves and started yelling at the Knicks to play better defense following a quick layup by Sebastian Telfair, who scored 14 of his season-high 20 points in the period.

    David Lee received the brunt of D'Antoni's criticism, as Telfair blew by him to give the Timberwolves a 21-point lead.

    "Deservedly so, it was my fault," said Lee, who finished with 12 points and 13 rebounds before fouling out with just over eight minutes left. "Sebastian got an easy layup, and he (D'Antoni) let me hear about it.

    "Our defense has to get better," Lee added. "Everybody from top to bottom. It is not on one guy. We need to play with more energy."

    The Timberwolves had their way on offense, shooting 51% from the field and 54% from beyond the arc as seven players finished in double figures - including three with 20 or more points.

    "There were a lot of little things that didn't work out," D'Antoni said after the Knicks' worst losing streak of the season reached five games. "We have to go back to work and dig ourselves out of this hole."
    Good to see Lee manning up to his mistakes. He got the right attitude, I could never see him being a good one on one defender but team defense is something everyone can play, you just need a team that communicates and trusts each other. No excuse for allowing the Wolves to shoot as well as they did, defense needs to become more of a priority in the new year.

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    good find MSG and Lee and the knicks took the first big step addmiting they suck on D......now is the detox part loll play D whether we win or lose, soon enough we'll sober up and get back to our 90's form.....we need defensive minded players first

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    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    .we need defensive minded players first
    not with this coach... "D" is in the back of the bus...

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    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    good find MSG and Lee and the knicks took the first big step addmiting they suck on D......now is the detox part loll play D whether we win or lose, soon enough we'll sober up and get back to our 90's form.....we need defensive minded players first
    cosign 100%

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    im sure D'Antoni is a good defensive coach but the teams he inherited didnt have defensive players........if he gets 2-way players then we'll be straight

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    F*&$ DAVID LEE, im sick and tired of the over promotion this guy gets , a role player acting like a leader, im sorry but he is in his 4th season, declined last year, and only started putting up (ok) numbers since Zach who was playing like a top 5 big man was ousted from the team. I like lee as a person stand up guy, good team mate, but he is not our go too, he is taking another season of opportunity by playing on a week team with inflated minutes due to a lack of population in the big man department. Now dont get me wrong when I say these things i am not a lee hater, just not over indulgent in my adoration for the guy, he is truly a suspect defender, and should be better than he is after four years in the league if he truly is a future top notch PF in the game, he cant block a shot, cant move his feet on defense, and ever since his 37-21 game scouts have figured out the pick n roll and he gets stripped every time he hits the paint, I thought I was watching a volley ball game last night every time he took the ball up he got scrapped and the ball would fly 10 feet into the air. If lee wants to open his mouth, then hes gotta open his game, and i honestly dont think he has what it takes to back up his words, the dude is just not good enough. will never be an all star, will never be an all nba anything, and will always be a good teammate, solid rebounder, and sound role player.

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    Default F (No) D Lee (no homo?)

    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    F*&$ DAVID LEE...the dude is just not good enough. will never be an all star, will never be an all nba anything, and will always be a good teammate, solid rebounder, and sound role player.
    Harsh words, DFDH, but I see where you're coming from. I say let's get DLee back to his true PF position, and see if his D (and overall game) improves; I think it will. He's way out of his league playing center against bigger better, more athletic players. You're described a good 6th man, and maybe that's what he's destined to be. Or, maybe the next Oakley?

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    i agree , lee is a hustle player, but thats about it... i would not place him as the 6th man... imo more like an 8th, maybe 7th..

    maybe if he can develop a 5ft shot i'd rate him a bit higher..

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    in 1994-1995. the nets took 3 out of 4 during the regular season against the new york knicks, many predicted that their first round series would go 5 games. In the pivotal game of the series patrick ewing was unable to play due to a second quarter ejection, and charles oakley responded with 25 points and 24 rebounds. POINT BEING ( DONT EVER TELL ME DAVID LEE WILL BE THE NEXT CHARLES OAKLEY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE). the make up of david lee cant even match the intensity, big game prowess, defensive knowledge, and leadership ability of charles oakley, if oak was playing against lee today lee would be in the locker room sobbing with his head in his hands searching for a way to get within 10 feet of the rim .

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    in 1994-1995. the nets took 3 out of 4 during the regular season against the new york knicks, many predicted that their first round series would go 5 games. In the pivotal game of the series patrick ewing was unable to play due to a second quarter ejection, and charles oakley responded with 25 points and 24 rebounds. POINT BEING ( DONT EVER TELL ME DAVID LEE WILL BE THE NEXT CHARLES OAKLEY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE). the make up of david lee cant even match the intensity, big game prowess, defensive knowledge, and leadership ability of charles oakley, if oak was playing against lee today lee would be in the locker room sobbing with his head in his hands searching for a way to get within 10 feet of the rim .

    Sad but true

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    All of those who hate on david lee are retarded. If you think a career 9 pts 9 rebs is 8th man in rotation, you are retareded. If you think 15 and 11 for the 2008/2009 season is 6th man stats, you are retarded. If you dont agree that lee is better than chandler, you are retarded. lee averages 15 n 11 and shoots almost 60%, he is a career 57% shooter, meaning by volume, he is BETTER THAN ZACH RANDOLPH. Randolph averages almost double the turnovers than lee, and lee does not go out and shoot rediculous 3 pointers all the time. Lee is 6th in the nba in rebounds per game....HOW THE F*CK is that a 6th man??? He ranks 3rd in the league in double doubles after the likes of dwight howard and chris paul, and is tied with tim duncan for 3rd; those under him are people like okafer, yao, jamison, bosh, garnett, bogut, etc etc. 6th in rebounds per game, under him again, are yao, bosh, al jefferson, amare, dirk, duncan, etc etc. 10th in offensive rebounds per game, (second chance points, very important stat) under him again, yao, bynum, gasol, tim duncan, etc etc. He is also averaging a career high in steals with 1 per game.

    Hate on that, and you are just retarded. Lee plays with passion, heart, and earns next to nothing and is listed with ALL STARS, and overrated players who earn 10s of millions more than him. Lee is the truth. Stop Hating. Good Post MSG.
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    Originally Posted by OriginalKnickGrandson
    Sad but true
    How about after a trade, and with a new system and only 7 healthy bodies, with 6 of them able to play sensible basketball, and with all star veteran marbury exiled from the team, curry injured, lee stepped up for 37 pts and 21 rebs 3 steals n a block? or did that game slip your memory already? so what, oak had a big game....so did lee

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    it didnt slip my memory, but it came against the golden state warriors guy, a team that plays no Defense, and they ran 100 plays for david lee, in a meaningless MEANINGLESS REGULAR SEASON GAME. toons dont call me retarted, D LEE HAS YET TO PERFORM IN A MEANINGFUL GAME IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER oak was putting up 20 and 20 in big play off games while guarding Derrick Coleman who was an all NBA 20-10 player that season. your out of your mind if your thinking DLEE Is better than 22-12 randolph who was putting up literally top 5 numbers, I never said LEE Was horrible, I just said people gotta stop sweating his nuts like he is the savior, he is not even in the top 20 big man in the league today

    duncan
    garnett
    brand
    randolph
    D west
    R wallace
    J oneil
    C bosh
    Y ming
    L Scola
    A stoudamire
    S oneal
    A beidriens
    L aldridge
    N Hilario
    C kaman
    M camby
    D nowitzki
    A jameson
    K perkins
    D howard
    A horford

    and thats just to name a few who are better players, producing better if not equal numbers to lee, and are on better deeper basketball teams.

    I JUST DONT WANT TO SEE WALSH ( WHICH I DOUBT HE WILL DO BECAUSE HES NOT AN IDIOT) UNLOAD A PAYCHECK TO A GUY WHO CANT PLAY DEFENSE AND HAS ONLY PERFORMED O.K DURING THE REGULAR SEASON ON ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN THE nba.

    END OF STORY.

    oh I posted this and went back to edit it
    the list continues

    P gasol
    A bynum
    T chandler
    Z illgauskus
    C boozer
    A thornton
    P millsap
    Al Jefferson
    Emeka Okafor
    MEhmet Okur

    I think thats like 32 players who are more effective players, either by talent, defense, or the fact they have put up equal numbers to LEE and have done so IN playoff games.
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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    in a meaningless MEANINGLESS REGULAR SEASON GAME.

    toons dont call me retarted, D LEE HAS YET TO PERFORM IN A MEANINGFUL GAME IN HIS ENTIRE CAREER oak was putting up 20 and 20 in big play off games while guarding Derrick Coleman who was an all NBA 20-10 player that season.
    Firstly, youre making yourself look retarded. lee hasnt performed in a meaningful game??? WTF?? He never had the opertunity silly boy. And oak is better than lee, hands down, boo to you for comparing oak to lee, hoping to get credit for stating an obvious fact.

    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    your out of your mind if your thinking DLEE Is better than 22-12 randolph who was putting up literally top 5 numbers, I never said LEE Was horrible, I just said people gotta stop sweating his nuts like he is the savior, he is not even in the top 20 big man in the league today
    BY VOLUME he is better than zach. Not downing zach or anything. bte, who is sweating lee, MSG stated that lee accepted the scolding....why are you going off on lee like its an article about someone saying how great he is.


    but which would you rather?

    14 n 11 for 1,000,000

    or

    20 n 12 for 18,000,000?

    because you cannot answer that question with sense, you are retarded.

    duncan
    garnett
    brand
    randolph
    D west
    R wallace
    J oneil
    C bosh
    Y ming
    L Scola
    A stoudamire
    S oneal
    A beidriens
    L aldridge
    N Hilario
    C kaman
    M camby
    D nowitzki
    A jameson
    K perkins
    D howard
    A horford

    of all the names you listed, any of them get paid under 5 mil? ok , ill wait

    and thats just to name a few who are better players, producing better if not equal numbers to lee, and are on better deeper basketball teams.

    I JUST DONT WANT TO SEE WALSH ( WHICH I DOUBT HE WILL DO BECAUSE HES NOT AN IDIOT) UNLOAD A PAYCHECK TO A GUY WHO CANT PLAY DEFENSE AND HAS ONLY PERFORMED O.K DURING THE REGULAR SEASON ON ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN THE nba.

    for the mere fact that you mention him with nba greats is a compliment to a player picked so late in the draft. Also, how many of those guys are 25 or younger? its ok, ill wait

    whats your point if those guys are on deeper teams? i dont get your relation, maybe i need to learn retard. If your on a better and deeper team, that means youre a better player?? btw, who said lee is the best? why are you telling me about top centers?

    END OF STORY.

    oh I posted this and went back to edit it
    the list continues

    P gasol

    T chandler
    Z illgauskus
    C boozer
    A thornton
    P millsap
    Al Jefferson
    Emeka Okafor
    MEhmet Okur

    I think thats like 32 players who are more effective players, either by talent, defense, or the fact they have put up equal numbers to LEE and have done so IN playoff games.[/QUOTE]

    you are also retarded because you have 16 centers on that list HAHAHAHAHA
    LEE IS A PF playing out of his position. any real knick fan should know this. if lee had a defensive minded center like howard or camby, that combination would be sick.


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    wow your lack of education is quite evident by your responses, basically number one you cannot read, I stated BIG MEN, lee is playing center and PF as we speak dumb ass, so therefore the dude is a big man, my first line I said big men not power forwards, there are only 4 or 5 legitimate PF in the game today, the rest can play the 3 4 or 5 in this changing league, and no DLEE has no played in a big game yet, therefore my whole purpose behind the post was and I will quote,.

    "I JUST DONT WANT TO SEE WALSH ( WHICH I DOUBT HE WILL DO BECAUSE HES NOT AN IDIOT) UNLOAD A PAYCHECK TO A GUY WHO CANT PLAY DEFENSE AND HAS ONLY PERFORMED O.K DURING THE REGULAR SEASON ON ONE OF THE WORST TEAMS IN THE nba. "

    If Walsh believed that LEE was worth the money he would of signed him already, but just like me I think walsh and D antoni see the big picture that LEE gets dunked on by NENE, and every other big man in the league night in and night out, you see that dude acting like hes running hard down the paint, he is over shined, and over lighted by being a hard worker on a ****ty team, he is the one small bright spot amongst nate and chandler on this team, that give fans something to cheer about, you sound like a jets fan, holding onto the one or two little things you do well that dont even compare to the rest of the league just so that you have something to say, like mets fans talking about david wright, you idiots talk about lee, a peoples person, who works his ass off, but never came up in a big spot, and probably never will, I hope they trade lee because his true colors are coming through day in and day out, he gets owned every night by the person he is guarding, OWNED. nene and k mart had him gassed by the third quarter the other night, and the only reason he gets 19-12 is because


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