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    Default Analysis on David Lee

    Is David Lee worth 8-10 million a year?

    Here is a list of starting PFs doing better then Lee this season. We will use this season because this is Lee's best season:

    Dirk Nowitzki
    Amar'e Stoudemire
    Kevin Garnett
    Rashard Lewis
    Al Jefferson
    Nene Hilario
    Antawn Jamison
    Carlos Boozer (before injury)
    Chris Bosh
    Pau Gasol
    Rasheed Wallace
    David West
    Tim Duncan
    Paul Millsap
    Zach Randolph (before injury, arguable)

    His career growth on Lee's apparent strengths (points per minute, rebounds per minute)

    05-06 0.31 p/m 0.27 r/m
    06-07 0.36 p/m 0.35 r/m
    07-08 0.37 p/m 0.31 r/m
    08-09 0.43 p/m 0.32 r/m

    There has been some growth, and some improvement statistically.

    Here is some things about Lee most people agree on:

    +Great rebounder
    +Great teammate adds to team chemistry
    +Great Hustle, hard worker
    +Fits in D'antoni's system
    +Very well-liked by all knick's fans.

    -Lacks a consistent jumpshot or rage
    -Lacks defense
    -Lacks a consistent post-up game
    -Lacks play off experience

    My take on this:

    David Lee is an overrated power forward for some knick fans and a VERY underrated power forward to the rest of the NBA. I cannot tell you how many times that a basketball fan has said to me David who? David Lee fits very well in this system and we should make every attempt to keep him; however, David Lee is not worth 8-10 million on this team.

    Come 2010, David Lee will not be the number one guy. He will not be the number two guy. He may not even be the number three guy. Come 2010, David Lee may be coming off the bench and playing 15-20 minutes depending who we sign, that is not worth 8-10 million. I can very well see us getting Lebron, Bosh, or Amare and with chandler developing quickly, who looks like a better defender, there might not be room for David Lee in the starting line up.

    David Lee has not grown very much in his NBA career. He has gotten a little better. He has improved more on his strengths; however, he has yet to make any strides at his weaknesses. Where is that jumpshot he has been working at? Where is his offensive and defensive post game? Where is his overall defense?

    8-10 Million will keep us from getting two superstars. We will get one superstar and have David Lee. David Lee is not a superstar. Why would I want one superstar and David Lee vs Two superstars?

    8-10 Million might keep us from signing Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon, Wilson Chandler, Gallo, or a young talent. We could probably get two of those guys for 8-10 million a year.

    We do not need David Lee to attract basketball players to NYK. Players want to play in NYK and they want to play for D'antoni. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Joe Johnson, etc. aren't going to this "Well, sh*t the knicks got rid of D.Lee, F this!".

    Note in the beginning I said David Lee is not worth 8-10 million on this team. He could very well be worth that money on another team. He could be worth that as an individual player. He isn't worth that to the knicks. It isn't his fault, its more like Isiahs. If we didn't sign James, Curry, Jefferies, etc for all that money, then we could keep Lee and take a chance. But we did sign those people and we can't get rid of them easily. Sorry D Lee.

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    I think People are wildly overrating David Lee because of this system. I feel if we get another hardworking Power Forward in the Draft he would put up similar numbers (maybe a little bit worse).

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    I honestly thought Balkman was a better overall player than Lee for this system.

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    I think People are wildly overrating David Lee because of this system. I feel if we get another hardworking Power Forward in the Draft he would put up similar numbers (maybe a little bit worse).

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    I honestly thought Balkman was a better overall player than Lee for this system.
    David Lee is overrated by Knicks fans and also around the league. He is worth about 8 million tops as a sixth man. The only way the Knicks should keep him is IF they can sign him for no more than 8 million AND they can trade Curry AND Jeffries. For an analysis on this, please see [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]

    That's the only way to keep Lee and still have it fit into the long term plans. Paying him any more than that means paying a sixth man star money, and last I checked, Isiah isn't the GM anymore.

    As for Balkman, how can a a bricklayer fit into this system? I guess Jeffries is one, and maybe Balkman has Jeffries potential, but Balkman also doesn't have a brain in his head, or any work ethic. To compare Balkman to Lee is just...just...

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    [As for Balkman, how can a a bricklayer fit into this system? I guess Jeffries is one, and maybe Balkman has Jeffries potential, but Balkman also doesn't have a brain in his head, or any work ethic. To compare Balkman to Lee is just...just...[/quote]

    well. balkman would be the knick's best defensive player. He's pretty athletic. And i feel he would get transition buckets with an up tempo offense. Also i'm not sold on Lee's shot anymore. He's not confident enough in it.

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    [As for Balkman, how can a a bricklayer fit into this system? I guess Jeffries is one, and maybe Balkman has Jeffries potential, but Balkman also doesn't have a brain in his head, or any work ethic. To compare Balkman to Lee is just...just...
    well. balkman would be the knick's best defensive player. He's pretty athletic. And i feel he would get transition buckets with an up tempo offense. Also i'm not sold on Lee's shot anymore. He's not confident enough in it.[/quote]

    I don't think Balkman would've been completely useless. He's a good push man and dunker. He also plays some D. But he's not comparable to Lee. Like I said, maybe he'll be a nicer version of Jeffries one day.

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    Originally Posted by DanL
    well. balkman would be the knick's best defensive player. He's pretty athletic. And i feel he would get transition buckets with an up tempo offense. Also i'm not sold on Lee's shot anymore. He's not confident enough in it.
    I don't think Balkman would've been completely useless. He's a good push man and dunker. He also plays some D. But he's not comparable to Lee. Like I said, maybe he'll be a nicer version of Jeffries one day.[/QUOTE]

    balkman is not a good defender in my book, a good defender does not rack up fouls an curse out refs n airball free throws....(sry, i had to add the other 2, cuz balkman sucks )

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    wrong.....

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    I think People are wildly overrating David Lee because of this system. I feel if we get another hardworking Power Forward in the Draft he would put up similar numbers (maybe a little bit worse).

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    I honestly thought Balkman was a better overall player than Lee for this system.
    Anyone who thinks Balkman is better than Lee in any system needs to re-watch the Knicks game that Balkman played in.

    Balkman is horrible.

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    Balkman put up 4 blocks and 3 blocks when he got consistent time in Denver. I remember Balkman being awesome defensively when he was a Knick (could also be cuz we are a garbage defensive team). Granted he has no offensive awareness....but a lockdown defender is much more valuable role player. Why??? Cuz you can sign that dude for like 2 or 3 mil for many years. He could have been what Jared Jeffries real market value is (tho i guess Jared Jeff is 6'11'')

    Lee will never put up 4 blocks. I mean....let's be real are you only watching him on the offensive side of the ball. He is Udonis Haslam. A bigman that can't block. A nice role player. Haslam makes 6.8 and i would be very happy if Lee got that sort of money. If he makes 6.8mil, he is NOT overrated, we are getting him at market value.

    If you pay him 10 it is a terrible signing in the vein of giving Allan Houston that 100 mil contract.

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    Lee is currently overrated in New York and around the league because he's the best player on the Knicks (which is not saying much) and because current circumstances are ideal for him to excel and put up good stats.

    The Knicks have no rebounding and little inside scoring since the Randolph trade. Combine that with the faster pace the Knicks are playing at and you have a recipe for Lee putting up some very good rebounding numbers and better than his typical scoring average.

    On a good team with a solid rebounding center, Lee would be more or less a 10 and 8 guy. Not that that's terrrible, but he's still just a very solid backup PF that can also fill in as a starter on a bad team or if there's an injury etc...
    Look around the league. It's really not that hard to find a PF that can average 9-10 rebounds "per 36 minutes". It's also not that hard to find one that's a pretty efficient scorer around the basket. What's difficult to find is someone that can do those things plus block shots, play great defense, post up well, shoot well from the outside shot etc.... (some combination of those other things)

    If Lee stays around for 2010 beyond, that would be fine. But right now his price is so high relative his real value, it probably makes some sense to try to trade him instead of signing him for 10 million or letting him walk. If we could get him for 6M-8M, that would be a different story.

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    Balkman put up 4 blocks and 3 blocks when he got consistent time in Denver. I remember Balkman being awesome defensively when he was a Knick (could also be cuz we are a garbage defensive team). Granted he has no offensive awareness....but a lockdown defender is much more valuable role player. Why??? Cuz you can sign that dude for like 2 or 3 mil for many years. He could have been what Jared Jeffries real market value is (tho i guess Jared Jeff is 6'11'')

    Lee will never put up 4 blocks. I mean....let's be real are you only watching him on the offensive side of the ball. He is Udonis Haslam. A bigman that can't block. A nice role player. Haslam makes 6.8 and i would be very happy if Lee got that sort of money. If he makes 6.8mil, he is NOT overrated, we are getting him at market value.

    If you pay him 10 it is a terrible signing in the vein of giving Allan Houston that 100 mil contract.
    One big difference about Lee and Balkman is that Balkman is consistently horrible while Lee improves weaknesses in his game and it's only a matter of time were he starts getting some blocks.

    He can block shots he just NEVER puts his hands up or attempts a block. Mike Dantoni has to engrave fundamental defense on this team if he wants to see anyone get a block.

    And Lee is a poor defender. Any guy he defends turns into an offensive weapon. If Lee improves his defense...his value soars.

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    and if could add an 5ft jumper.....

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    Anyone who thinks Balkman is better than Lee in any system needs to re-watch the Knicks game that Balkman played in.

    Balkman is horrible.
    Balkman's fans like him because he's an efficient scorer around the basket, an above average rebounder for a SF, and a good defender. I guess that's a lot to like for a role player. But his fans tend to overrate him. He's such a terrible outside shooter and offensive thinker it's easy for defenders sag off him and double team other players. That doesn't show up in his stats. It shows up as weaker stats for some of his teamates. It's very hard to play basketball 4 against 5 on offense unless that 5th guy brings immense talent to the defensive end or the team has some extraordinary offensive talent to go along with him.

    There is a reason Isiah didn't play him much, Walsh and D'Antoni didn't even want him, and right now in Denver he gets garbage minutes or DNP Coach's Decision almost every night.

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    Originally Posted by jeckomaru
    Is David Lee worth 8-10 million a year?

    Here is a list of starting PFs doing better then Lee this season. We will use this season because this is Lee's best season:

    Dirk Nowitzki
    Amar'e Stoudemire
    Kevin Garnett
    Rashard Lewis
    Al Jefferson
    Nene Hilario
    Antawn Jamison
    Carlos Boozer (before injury)
    Chris Bosh
    Pau Gasol
    Rasheed Wallace
    David West
    Tim Duncan
    Paul Millsap
    Zach Randolph (before injury, arguable)

    His career growth on Lee's apparent strengths (points per minute, rebounds per minute)

    05-06 0.31 p/m 0.27 r/m
    06-07 0.36 p/m 0.35 r/m
    07-08 0.37 p/m 0.31 r/m
    08-09 0.43 p/m 0.32 r/m

    There has been some growth, and some improvement statistically.

    Here is some things about Lee most people agree on:

    +Great rebounder
    +Great teammate adds to team chemistry
    +Great Hustle, hard worker
    +Fits in D'antoni's system
    +Very well-liked by all knick's fans.

    -Lacks a consistent jumpshot or rage
    -Lacks defense
    -Lacks a consistent post-up game
    -Lacks play off experience

    My take on this:

    David Lee is an overrated power forward for some knick fans and a VERY underrated power forward to the rest of the NBA. I cannot tell you how many times that a basketball fan has said to me David who? David Lee fits very well in this system and we should make every attempt to keep him; however, David Lee is not worth 8-10 million on this team.

    Come 2010, David Lee will not be the number one guy. He will not be the number two guy. He may not even be the number three guy. Come 2010, David Lee may be coming off the bench and playing 15-20 minutes depending who we sign, that is not worth 8-10 million. I can very well see us getting Lebron, Bosh, or Amare and with chandler developing quickly, who looks like a better defender, there might not be room for David Lee in the starting line up.

    David Lee has not grown very much in his NBA career. He has gotten a little better. He has improved more on his strengths; however, he has yet to make any strides at his weaknesses. Where is that jumpshot he has been working at? Where is his offensive and defensive post game? Where is his overall defense?

    8-10 Million will keep us from getting two superstars. We will get one superstar and have David Lee. David Lee is not a superstar. Why would I want one superstar and David Lee vs Two superstars?

    8-10 Million might keep us from signing Nate Robinson, Chris Duhon, Wilson Chandler, Gallo, or a young talent. We could probably get two of those guys for 8-10 million a year.

    We do not need David Lee to attract basketball players to NYK. Players want to play in NYK and they want to play for D'antoni. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Joe Johnson, etc. aren't going to this "Well, sh*t the knicks got rid of D.Lee, F this!".

    Note in the beginning I said David Lee is not worth 8-10 million on this team. He could very well be worth that money on another team. He could be worth that as an individual player. He isn't worth that to the knicks. It isn't his fault, its more like Isiahs. If we didn't sign James, Curry, Jefferies, etc for all that money, then we could keep Lee and take a chance. But we did sign those people and we can't get rid of them easily. Sorry D Lee.
    lee is still young, did lebron develop that jumper of his overnight? no, not for 3 seasons....he will develop a jumper if he works hard at it. how can you say he lacks defense?? because he cant stop dwight howard or nene or any other big centre? name one pf in the league that can! he lacks playoff experience!?!?!?! AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, UR GONNA HOLD THAT AGAINST LEE??? WHO PLAYED HIS ENTIRE CAREER WITH A DISFUNCTIONAL TEAM?? LMAO ur just searching for reasons to hate on dude....roll out

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    Originally Posted by Toons
    lee is still young, did lebron develop that jumper of his overnight? no, not for 3 seasons....he will develop a jumper if he works hard at it. how can you say he lacks defense?? because he cant stop dwight howard or nene or any other big centre? name one pf in the league that can! he lacks playoff experience!?!?!?! AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, UR GONNA HOLD THAT AGAINST LEE??? WHO PLAYED HIS ENTIRE CAREER WITH A DISFUNCTIONAL TEAM?? LMAO ur just searching for reasons to hate on dude....roll out
    Toons,save your breath b/c you are just wasting time trying to convince some of the people on here that Lee deserves to be on this team.

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