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    Default Heart & Hustle vs Quit & Guilt

    It is incredible that this early into the season the Knicks have QUIT once again. Over the last 5 seasons the trend has been the same as the team's play diminishes over the last 50 games of each season. During the Rockets game the other night we just stop playing and believing that we could beat a team w/out T-Mac and Artest. It seems like this Knick team is not focused and don't care if they win or loose. I'm not expecting them to make it to the playoffs, but I expect them to hustle and prepare for each game like its their last. Look at the Indiana Pacers w/out Dunleavy and that team has been in every game they played this year. I know they have Granger who is having an All Star season but I watched at least 10 games from them and they hustle and they care. Win or loose they play together and aren't afraid to loose and that is a team that I would root for. The Knicks team is full of it and I want everybody off this team by 2010. The only two that I will keep are Gallinari and Chandler. I have already written how high I think of these two, so need to repeat here. This team is compromise of a losing culture and losing players. Again, I don't want to you to think that I thought this was winning team but I thought they would care more and not give up so soon.

    Do you remember the 1999-2000 Orlando Magic a team that was in transition, whose General Manager made 37 transactions in a 4 month spam. That team didn't have an star and included 5 undrafted players and four of them where in the starting line up (Darrell Armstrong, Outlaw, Ben Wallace, Amaechi). Nobody expected them to win but they care about each and every game because most of those players had played oversees or the CBA so they knew that they had to perform. That team won 41 games led by former Knicks Doc Rivers.

    However, this Knicks team of the past five seasons has been a disgrace and an embarrassment to the city of NY. I hate Nate's showboating acts and his dancing before games. I hate Q-Rich's big mouth and arrogance thinking he is stil a good player when everyone knows he is finished. I hate Lee's selfishness in wanting more money than he's worth. I hate this team period. Dammit, I just wish we had players that care and were talking about how much they want to stay and in that take less. I think the Magic during that time were fed up with all the nonsense that Shaq and Penny brought off the court. By far that Magic team with no stars is the team that I respect the most. Similar as when the Knicks had John Stars, Anthony Mason, Anthony Bonner who played like each game meant something and their lives depended on it.

    I would love Walsh to continue to dismantle this team already. I know I trash Walsh a bit in previous post, but I think this guy is too smart to keep this losers when 2010 arrives. I want hard nose, blue collar type players and think team first before I for Individual...

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    I agree for the most part, it is at least more tolerable to watch your team lose if you can respect their effort. My two beefs are that I think Lee is a hard worker and will continue to improve, and I haven't seen a report where he is demanding a certain salary. I'm sure he'll take as much as he can get, but I get the feeling he wouldn't mind staying in NY, depends how much he's offered elsewhere though I suppose, we'll see. My other not so much of a beef, but I think I discovered the true identity of Dirk after all the mispelling and butchering of the english language!!!

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    Default Definately Heart & Hustle

    I'm a heart & hustle type of fan. I would rather watch the Knicks play every game hard so that the game's are competitive. We would probably win a few more games and hurt are draft chances, but you gotta at least try for the fans who pay to watch the games. "You play to win the Game!" -Herm Edwards

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    Originally Posted by WNY_Knickfan
    I agree for the most part, it is at least more tolerable to watch your team lose if you can respect their effort. My two beefs are that I think Lee is a hard worker and will continue to improve, and I haven't seen a report where he is demanding a certain salary. I'm sure he'll take as much as he can get, but I get the feeling he wouldn't mind staying in NY, depends how much he's offered elsewhere though I suppose, we'll see. My other not so much of a beef, but I think I discovered the true identity of Dirk after all the mispelling and butchering of the english language!!!
    I agree with WNY_Knickfan,I agree with about 80% of your post except for Lee.Your topic is called Heart and Hustle vs quit and guilt well Lee has the heart and everybody knows he ALWAYS hustles.Lee has never quit on his team b/c his stats show that and the only guilt he may have is wishing he could do more for the team and all of us know he plays 150% out there everynight so he does'nt have nothing to feel guilty about.I also haven't seen a report where he is demanding a certain salary for his contract so I don't know were you are getting that from.Unless some godly trade offer comes that the Knicks can't pass up I think he will stay a Knick and he will get his contract and come off the bench and keep putting up great numbers for years to come.
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    Originally Posted by WVKnickfan
    I agree with WNY_Knickfan,I agree with about 80% of your post except for Lee.Your topic is called Heart and Hustle vs quit and guilt well Lee has the heart and everybody knows he ALWAYS hustles.Lee has never quit on his team b/c his stats show that and the only guilt he may have is wishing he could do more for the team and all of us know he plays 150% out there everynight so he does'nt have nothing to feel guilty about.I also haven't seen a report where he is demanding a certain salary for his contract so I don't know were you are getting that from.Unless some godly trade offer comes that the Knicks can't pass up I think he will stay a Knick and he will get his contract and come off the bench and keep putting up great numbers for years to come.
    I have nothing againts Lee, thing is he's not worth the risk of us not having Cap space to sign 2 great players in two years. I don't think Lee has special qualities that would make him a great player. Ok so he hustles rebounding and scoring but gives those back on defense as his is one of the softest I have seen. He is slow and lacks necessary defensive awareness to be a starting PF in the league. If he was sign to 6 million contract and we still get 2 great players I'm all for it. But I think 5/50 is what he will be looking for and he's not worth that.

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    Originally Posted by Arod2k9
    I have nothing againts Lee, thing is he's not worth the risk of us not having Cap space to sign 2 great players in two years. I don't think Lee has special qualities that would make him a great player. Ok so he hustles rebounding and scoring but gives those back on defense as his is one of the softest I have seen. He is slow and lacks necessary defensive awareness to be a starting PF in the league. If he was sign to 6 million contract and we still get 2 great players I'm all for it. But I think 5/50 is what he will be looking for and he's not worth that.

    Just, wondering if you watched last nights game against Washington?

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    Originally Posted by OriginalKnickGrandson
    Just, wondering if you watched last nights game against Washington?

    Yea I watched and all his 9 points in the fourth quarter came over a 6'5 guard!!!
    I could not believe that the Wizards kept going into that stupid strategy. Again, no knock on Lee but I would rather have Blake Griffin, Lebron James, Chris Bosh by 2010. Keep on dreaming and lose sight of the Big picture. In no way do I think that highly of Lee whose defense is horrible. You guys here protect Lee over having superstars. Then again, you probably think that WITH THE GREAT LEE WITH ARE ONE PLAYER AWAY FROM A CHAMPIONSHIP, LMAO.....

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