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    Default 2009 NBA Draft Thread/Overseas International Thread

    The purpose of this post is gather information, news updates, and player scouting reports all in one thread.
    DatPrince created and excellent thread for discussion, so I wanted to do one so you guys can be up to date with this year's draft, which doesn't seem to be too strong as 2008.


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    Freshman ranking list.

    1 Greg Monroe PF
    18 years old, 6' 10" 226lbs.
    Georgetown

    2 B.J. Mullens C
    7' 0" 260lbs.
    Ohio State

    3 Jrue Holiday PG/SG
    18 years old, 6' 4" 200lbs.
    UCLA

    4 Al-Farouq Aminu SF
    18 years old, 6' 8" 210lbs.
    Wake Forest

    5 Demar DeRozan SG/SF
    19 years old, 6' 7" 207lbs.
    USC

    6 Tyreke Evans PG/SG
    19 years old, 6' 5" 195lbs.
    Memphis

    7 Scotty Hopson SG
    19 years old, 6' 6" 195lbs.
    Tennessee

    8 Samardo Samuels PF
    20 years old, 6' 8" 240lbs.
    Louisville

    9 Devin Ebanks SF/PF
    19 years old, 6' 8" 205lbs.
    West Virginia

    10 Ed Davis PF
    19 years old, 6' 9" 215lbs.
    North Carolina

    11 Chris Singleton SF/PF
    19 years old, 6' 8" 210lbs.
    Florida State

    12 Tony Woods PF/C
    18 years old, 6' 10" 234lbs.
    Wake Forest

    13 Michael Dunigan PF
    19 years old, 6' 9" 253lbs.
    Oregon

    14 Terrence Jennings C
    20 years old, 6' 10" 230lbs.
    Louisville

    15 Willie Warren SG
    19 years old, 6' 4" 200lbs.
    Oklahoma

    16 JaMychal Green PF
    18 years old, 6' 8" 225lbs.
    Alabama

    17 William Buford SG
    6' 5" 185lbs.
    Ohio State

    18 Tyler Zeller PF/C
    6' 11" 220lbs.
    North Carolina

    19 Iman Shumpert SG
    18 years old, 6' 4" 200lbs.
    Georgia Tech

    20 DeQuan Jones SG/SF
    18 years old, 6' 6" 190lbs.
    Miami, FL

    21 Jeff Taylor SG
    19 years old, 6' 6" 200lbs.
    Vanderbilt


    22 Malcolm Lee PG/SG
    18 years old, 6' 5" 190lbs.
    UCLA

    23 DeAndre Liggins PG/SG
    20 years old, 6' 6" 180lbs.
    Kentucky

    24 Kenny Kadji PF
    20 years old, 6' 11" 240lbs.
    Florida

    25 Ty Walker C
    19 years old, 7' 0" 220lbs.
    Wake Forest

    26 Wesley Witherspoon SF
    18 years old, 6' 8" 185lbs.
    Memphis

    27 Luke Babbitt SF/PF
    19 years old, 6' 8" 215lbs.
    Nevada

    28 Henry Sims PF/C
    18 years old, 6' 10" 218lbs.
    Georgetown

    29 Howard Thompkins PF
    18 years old, 6' 8" 220lbs.
    Georgia

    30 Delvon Roe SF/PF
    19 years old, 6' 7" 220lbs.
    Michigan State

    31 Ater Majok PF
    6' 10" 225lbs.
    Connecticut

    32 J'Mison Morgan C
    19 years old, 6' 10" 270lbs.
    UCLA

    33 Kemba Walker PG
    18 years old, 6' 0" 180lbs.
    Connecticut

    34 Tyshawn Taylor PG
    18 years old, 6' 3" 180lbs.
    Kansas

    35 Drew Gordon PF
    18 years old, 6' 9" 240lbs.
    UCLA

    36 Klay Thompson SG/SF
    18 years old, 6' 6" 187lbs.
    Washington State

    37 Solomon Alabi C
    20 years old, 7' 1" 230lbs.
    Florida State

    38 Yancy Gates PF
    19 years old, 6' 9" 245lbs.
    Cincinnati

    39 Kevin Jones PF
    19 years old, 6' 8" 195lbs.
    West Virginia

    40 Courtney Fortson PG
    20 years old, 5' 11" 175lbs.
    Arkansas

    41 Sylven Landesberg SG
    18 years old, 6' 6" 185lbs.
    Virginia

    42 Markieff Morris PF
    19 years old, 6' 10" 235lbs.
    Kansas

    43 Greg Echenique PF
    18 years old, 6' 8" 240lbs.
    Rutgers

    44 Elliot Williams SG
    19 years old, 6' 4" 175lbs.
    Duke

    45 Anthony Jones SF/PF
    19 years old, 6' 10" 190lbs.
    Baylor

    46 Gordon Hayward SF
    18 years old, 6' 8" 200lbs.
    Butler

    47 Miles Plumlee PF
    20 years old, 6' 10" 225lbs.
    Duke

    48 Eloy Vargas PF
    20 years old, 6' 10" 215lbs.
    Florida

    49 Seth Curry PG/SG
    18 years old, 6' 2" 170lbs.
    Liberty

    50 Andrew Nicholson PF/C
    19 years old, 6' 9" 220lbs.
    St. Bonaventure

    51 Anthony Booker PF
    19 years old, 6' 8" 220lbs.
    Southern Illinois

    52 Darius Miller SF
    18 years old, 6' 6" 215lbs.
    Kentucky

    53 Marcus Morris SF/PF
    19 years old, 6' 9" 225lbs.
    Kansas

    54 Jerime Anderson PG
    19 years old, 6' 3" 165lbs.
    UCLA

    55 Emmanuel Negedu SF/PF
    20 years old, 6' 7" 225lbs.
    Tennessee

    56 Anthony Tucker SG
    19 years old, 6' 4" 200lbs.
    Iowa

    57 Romero Osby PF
    18 years old, 6' 7" 230lbs.
    Mississippi St.

    58 Mike Rosario SG
    18 years old, 6' 2" 170lbs.
    Rutgers

    59 Larry Drew PG
    18 years old, 6' 0" 170lbs.
    North Carolina

    60 Sean Mosley SG
    6' 4" 205lbs.
    Maryland

    61 Assane Sene C
    19 years old, 7' 0" 234lbs.
    Virginia


    Overseas Free Agents
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    1 Ramunas Siskauskas SG
    30 years old, 6' 6" 203lbs.
    CSKA Moscow

    2 Jannero Pargo PG/SG
    29 years old, 6' 2" 170lbs.
    Dynamo Moscow

    3 Marcus Haislip PF
    28 years old, 6' 10" 230lbs.
    Unicaja Málaga

    4 Yiannis Bouroussis PF/C
    25 years old, 6' 11" 247lbs.
    Olympiakos

    5 Matjaz Smodis SF/PF
    29 years old, 6' 9" 246lbs.
    CSKA Moscow

    6 Bostjan Nachbar SF
    28 years old, 6' 9" 221lbs.
    Dynamo Moscow

    7 Felipe Reyes PF
    28 years old, 6' 9" 255lbs.
    Real Madrid

    8 Dimitris Diamantidis PG
    28 years old, 6' 5" 194lbs.
    Panathinaikos

    9 Maciej Lampe PF/C
    23 years old, 6' 11" 240lbs.
    Khimki

    10 Gordan Giricek SG
    31 years old, 6' 5" 210lbs.
    Fenerbahce Ulker

    11 Ksistof Lavrinovic PF/C
    29 years old, 6' 11" 238lbs.
    Montepaschi Siena

    12 Artur Drozdov SG/SF
    28 years old, 6' 6" 198lbs.
    BC Kyiv

    13 Lynn Greer PG
    29 years old, 6' 1" 180lbs.
    Olympiakos

    14 Kirk Snyder SG/SF
    25 years old, 6' 6" 225lbs.
    Nevada

    15 Rimantas Kaukenas SG
    31 years old, 6' 5" 200lbs.
    Montepaschi Siena

    16 Carlos Arroyo PG
    29 years old, 6' 2" 220lbs.
    Maccabi Tel Aviv

    17 Trajan Langdon SG
    32 years old, 6' 3" 197lbs.
    CSKA Moscow

    18 Pops Mensah-Bonsu PF
    25 years old, 6' 9" 232lbs.
    Geo Washington

    19 Boniface Ndong C
    31 years old, 7' 0" 205lbs.
    Unicaja Málaga

    20 Igor Rakocevic SG
    30 years old, 6' 3" 183lbs.
    TAU Vitoria


    21 Terence Morris PF
    30 years old, 6' 9" 221lbs.
    Maccabi Tel Aviv

    22 Viktor Khryapa SF/PF
    26 years old, 6' 9" 235lbs.
    CSKA Moscow

    23 Stephane Lasme PF
    26 years old, 6' 7" 213lbs.
    KK Partizan Belgrade

    24 Romain Sato SG
    27 years old, 6' 5" 196lbs.
    Montepaschi Siena

    25 Earl Calloway PG
    25 years old, 6' 3" 175lbs.
    Cibona VIP Zagreb

    26 Bonzi Wells SF
    32 years old, 6' 5" 210lbs.

    27 DaShaun Wood PG
    23 years old, 6' 0" 167lbs.
    Benetton Treviso

    28 David Harrison C
    26 years old, 7' 0" 260lbs.
    Colorado

    29 Kris Lang C
    29 years old, 6' 11" 260lbs.
    Turk Telekom

    30 Terrell McIntyre PG
    31 years old, 5' 9" 180lbs.
    Montepaschi Siena

    31 Chris_ Warren SG/SF
    27 years old, 6' 5" 220lbs.
    Air Avellino

    32 Primoz Brezec C
    29 years old, 7' 1" 243lbs.
    Lottomatica Roma

    33 Michael Wright PF
    29 years old, 6' 7" 238lbs.
    Turk Telekom

    34 D.J. Strawberry SG
    23 years old, 6' 5" 199lbs.
    Fortitudo Bologna

    35 Jorge Garbajosa PF
    31 years old, 6' 9" 245lbs.
    Khimki

    36 Earl Boykins PG
    32 years old, 5' 5" 135lbs.
    Virtus Bologna

    37 Aaron Miles PG
    25 years old, 6' 2" 175lbs.
    Aris Thessaloniki

    38 Andre Owens SG
    26 years old, 6' 4" 200lbs.
    BC Red Star Belgrade

    39 Loren Woods C
    30 years old, 7' 1" 245lbs.
    Zalgiris Kaunas

    40 Andre Hutson PF
    30 years old, 6' 8" 260lbs.
    Lottomatica Roma

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    Nice. Never saw those draftexpress international rankings before.
    I never understood how a guard so talented and athletic as Ramunas Siskauskas was never brought over to the NBA. Although he might have had some serious injury in his younger years, can't remember now

    Btw, Draftexpress having Maciej Lampe as no.9 in their international rankings is ridiculous... there must be some 50 better and more productive players in Europe. probably he's so high only because of his age.
    Ditto for Drozdov at no.12 - who is this guy? I know that his Ukrainian team is pretty much a third rate team in Europe. If he was any good, at 28 he would play for one of the many better European teams, in a good and richer league by now

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    I've heard that Ricky Rubio will not be entering this year's draft and that he plans on entering the 2010 draft. Does anyone know if this is definite, or has he just not made up his mind yet?

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    Man, that's some detailed **** right there.
    There's gotta be some **** hot talented Euro ballers out there that will never make it. Some of these boys are massive too, height and mass! Man, are half the collegians Ethiopian or something? Their collective weights bar 5-8 of the listed names are really low regardless of their age. They must be built like venetian blinds. Regardless, a good thread. After all the banter, I'd love to see a big man with some weight behind him join the Knicks. Not Thabeet mind you. Africans have a pretty poor collective reputation as consistent ballers.

    Lets sell Eddy Curry to Thabeets tribe for a years supply of pork crackling. As well as an offering to their God of bum fun.

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    really nice thread Metro goes perfect with the other draft thread you just made it easier for me to do the draft updates

    im really liking Greg Monroe, he's the guy i want us to take over anyone else in the draft his offensive game is good and getting better with every game, and his defense is great too, if he improves his rebounding which is getting better he'll be a Dwight Howard type center

    the guy we need to watch the most who will jump up the boards is Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague

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    I want Patty Mills.

    Got the potential to be very similar to Chris Paul with his speed and natural ability. His height is his only negative.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I've heard that Ricky Rubio will not be entering this year's draft and that he plans on entering the 2010 draft. Does anyone know if this is definite, or has he just not made up his mind yet?
    if u check the new update i posted i wrote about that i read a story on a website(trying to find it again) that Rubio has said he'll enter the draft if he's a lock for the top-3 and thats likely gonna happen, my money is that Rubio will be in the draft

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    Originally Posted by rollingstone
    Nice. Never saw those draftexpress international rankings before.
    I never understood how a guard so talented and athletic as Ramunas Siskauskas was never brought over to the NBA. Although he might have had some serious injury in his younger years, can't remember now

    Btw, Draftexpress having Maciej Lampe as no.9 in their international rankings is ridiculous... there must be some 50 better and more productive players in Europe. probably he's so high only because of his age.
    Ditto for Drozdov at no.12 - who is this guy? I know that his Ukrainian team is pretty much a third rate team in Europe. If he was any good, at 28 he would play for one of the many better European teams, in a good and richer league by now
    lampe was the mvp of the Russian league finals i believe.

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    Originally Posted by theknicks3
    I want Patty Mills.

    Got the potential to be very similar to Chris Paul with his speed and natural ability. His height is his only negative.
    Yeah Ozi!

    He's our best point guard since Shane Heal. He's not pure point though that's all. His passing level is on par with N8's, & at that size it's a bummer. He claims to have run the 400m in 54 seconds too. Now that's quick. He's a handful on offense, but he lacks that Paul ability to deceptively show explosiveness. Everybody knows Paul is quick as a whip, but he only whips it out when the timing is right. Patty Mills has that Shawn Kemp issue, ie: too uptempo to the point of being out of control. If he's eligible, I'd love to see him as a Knick too. He'd be better than N8 and more consistent.

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    he is very similar to nate. I think he is a better playmaker though, but he doesn't have the same hops as nate.

    I think knicks may package nate along with a curry/jeffries so Mills could be a good option.

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    Originally Posted by _______√ictory_______
    lampe was the mvp of the Russian league finals i believe.
    he was mvp of Russian Cup finals, not Russian League finals
    These are two different tournaments. League is a season long competition with playoff series at the end - like NBA in format. Russian cup is a separate one-and-done tournament like March Madness.

    It's of course still an achievement to win the Cup. But winning one game is much easier than winning in NBA-like format of the Russian league. So take his MVP for what it is worth - one great game.

    This year that team got Carlos Delfino and a couple of other good players. So i don't consider Lampe the best player even on his own team. And this team isn't really dominating any competition they are in - they are atm 6th in Eurocup, 2nd Euro competition after Euroleague.

    That's why Lampe as a no.9 seems like complete fluke to me. his team isn't anywhere close to top 10 teams in Europe. and he doesnt look like the best player in his team. and he's still no.9? doesnt make sense.

    That said, i doubt Draftexpress ever does scouting trips abroad, thats why these rankings are so messed up. Siskauskas as no.1 is easy pick, since he has been dominating SGs/SFs on both sides of the court in Euroleague for a few years, being MVP of Euroleague and champion. But all the other rankings look messed up. Take Pargo - I like him, but no.2? again, his team isnt really a top 10 euro team, only no.7 atm in Europe's 2nd league, and he hasnt really been the best player on his own team so far..

    One thing that I think we learned over the last few years - it's that top Euroleague veterans can really play in the NBA and be decent backups/starters for most teams. Experienced Euro guys from top teams in their mid/late 20s can really help NBA teams - like Luis Scola, Nocioni, Navarro, Jasikevicius, Marc Gasol. They arent stars in NBA, but they are efficient 20-30 minute contributors.

    So I think it's funny that Draftexpress has all these ex-NBA scrubs/marginal backups so high in the rankings, when u can find players having better seasons in much better Euro teams. Shows that probably these rankings arent very well researched
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    I thought Lampe was never really given a chance in the NBA...he plays a lot and produces a lot like Brad Miller...especially when I saw him play for Phoneix.

    rollingstone, draft express has some of the most high profiled scouts reporting for them...dudes who constantly are in Spain, Italy, and practically throughout Europe...full time guys who are dedicated to given that site its resourceful info.

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    yep, that's right, i see now on their page that they have some overseas columnists.

    still, i dont see how these overseas FA rankings can be reliable, since it's hard to understand what they are based on. They even include David Harrison, who is US born and doesnt seem to be playing overseas

    as for Lampe, i think he could be given another chance in NBA, since he's still so young and fairly productive. but if those rankings are based on right-away impact (not upside), then i don't know how he is no.9 there. Majority of best overseas players are in Euroleague anyway, not where he's playing

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    Originally Posted by rollingstone
    he was mvp of Russian Cup finals, not Russian League finals
    These are two different tournaments. League is a season long competition with playoff series at the end - like NBA in format. Russian cup is a separate one-and-done tournament like March Madness.

    It's of course still an achievement to win the Cup. But winning one game is much easier than winning in NBA-like format of the Russian league. So take his MVP for what it is worth - one great game.

    This year that team got Carlos Delfino and a couple of other good players. So i don't consider Lampe the best player even on his own team. And this team isn't really dominating any competition they are in - they are atm 6th in Eurocup, 2nd Euro competition after Euroleague.

    That's why Lampe as a no.9 seems like complete fluke to me. his team isn't anywhere close to top 10 teams in Europe. and he doesnt look like the best player in his team. and he's still no.9? doesnt make sense.

    That said, i doubt Draftexpress ever does scouting trips abroad, thats why these rankings are so messed up. Siskauskas as no.1 is easy pick, since he has been dominating SGs/SFs on both sides of the court in Euroleague for a few years, being MVP of Euroleague and champion. But all the other rankings look messed up. Take Pargo - I like him, but no.2? again, his team isnt really a top 10 euro team, only no.7 atm in Europe's 2nd league, and he hasnt really been the best player on his own team so far..

    One thing that I think we learned over the last few years - it's that top Euroleague veterans can really play in the NBA and be decent backups/starters for most teams. Experienced Euro guys from top teams in their mid/late 20s can really help NBA teams - like Luis Scola, Nocioni, Navarro, Jasikevicius, Marc Gasol. They arent stars in NBA, but they are efficient 20-30 minute contributors.

    So I think it's funny that Draftexpress has all these ex-NBA scrubs/marginal backups so high in the rankings, when u can find players having better seasons in much better Euro teams. Shows that probably these rankings arent very well researched
    i didn't know the difference.

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    lmao I saw Maciej Lampe's name in there.

    What a waste of a pick.

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