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    Jet dominated that game.
    You know why?
    They played their game.
    Running the ball.
    Low scoring, conservative.
    DEFENSIVE football.
    Whenever Jets play at that pace, they're the best in the NFL and no team can beat them (Except for the Saints or Vikings).
    I'm not worried about the Colts at all.
    Rivers is quality, and Jackson, Gates, mad WR's.

    Joseph Addai is ASS. Colts have no running game.

    Revis shut down better WR's than Reggie Wayne, NO PROBLEM...Dallas Clark is good, but so was Antonio Gates. Colts other WR's are pretty much average at best, they just have a great QB.

    Peyton's weapons will be put on lock down, and they will not have a running game.

    Colts and Chargers offensive are exactly the same, except Chargers had the better offense this year.


    Indianapolis 26 ppg/363.1 YPG
    San Diego 28 ppg/360.1 YPG

    Colts defense?
    They finished 24th in the NFL in stopping the run
    126.5 yards allowed per game.

    Who has the best rushing attack in the league? The Jets.
    Colts are actually a weaker rushing team than the Chargers, so running the ball should be easier for the Jets.

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    No disrespect to you Jets fans but they are overachievers. Reality will kick in. Playing The Colts in their building is not an easy task.

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    giants and falcons fans hating on the MIGHTY JETS because their teams underachieved. so sad...

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    J! E! T! S!



    JETS! JETS! JETS!






    FROM REVIS' TWITTER ACCOUNT:


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    We ballers. Let's Go. People always hatin on u but we seem to prevail everytime just comin with the negativity and we will respond.



    THE HATE JUST FUELS THE JETS. SO KEEP ON HATIN'.

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    Originally Posted by knickzrulezH20
    17-14 Jets...im stunned, shocked, terrified


    They are now 7-0 this year when i predict against them wtf?


    Colts gonna win for sure though

    Colts 20
    Jets 10

    Colts going to the super bowl again

    HAHAHAHAH KEEP HATING BITCH

    Sly knows where its at. Your just a depressed Falcons fan. Maybe next year LOLOLOL

    Jets-24
    Colts-14

    Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark: You 2 get a special invitation to Revis Island!!! Congratulationsssssss

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    Overacheive?

    This is expected.

    Jets have the talent and quality to be 14-2
    But underachieve to 9-7.

    Best rushing offense, and best overall defense is the formula to winning in the playoffs.

    Saints, Colts, Vikings, all play the same way, with Vikings only team having a great defense.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Saints, Colts, Vikings, all play the same way, with Vikings only team having a great defense.
    Unequivocally the most false statement made on this thread.

    You said Colts have no running game.

    Vikings have All Day, a top-3 rusher in this league.

    Saints running game is also fairly dynamic, with Bush stepping it up recently.

    Both the Saints and Vikes run the ball WAY better than the Colts.

    Saints have a bad defense? Not quite...Will Smith had the 2nd most sacks in the NFC this year, and outside of Darrelle Revis, Jabari Greer was the league's best shut down corner. The Saints defense gives up points because their offense is so vertical and they can score so quickly the defense is on the field a lot of the game.

    What are you talking about?

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    Vikings, Saints, Colts are very OFFENSE and heavily rely on their passing.

    Is that hard for you to understand?

    Colts - 7th in offense
    Vikings - 2nd
    Saints - 1st

    Passing
    Colts are 2nd
    Saints are 4th
    Vikings are 8th

    Only obvious difference is that the Colts can't run the ball for ****, and Jets are a superior rushing team compared to the Vikings and Saints.
    Saints are 6th, Vikings are 13th, Jets are #1, Colts are dead last.

    Defensively speaking.

    New Orleans is 26th in passing defense
    21st in stopping the run
    20th in points allowed per game

    Minnesota is top 10 in points alowed per game
    2nd in the NFL in stopping the run
    19th in stopping the pass


    Colts are 24th in stopping the run.
    People talk about Manning.

    But how the hell are the Colts going to stop Greene and Jones? They have NOBODY that can stop these two, and Jets offensive line will dominate the Colts.

    Just stop HATING.

    Jets are an ELITE ballclub, despite the 9-7 record.

    They're as good as any of these teams.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    ^ No need to kiss ass.

    Jets will suck next season.

    New coach...eh, I'm too hyped about Rex, but we'll see.

    The only mistake Jets made was let go of Pennington and put all their eggs in the basket for Favre.
    yo we in the afc champship not that bad

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    a couple of more years and mark with be a beast and greene is a monster

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    You can look at net numbers, but these stats are flawed, they rely on the schedule faced...

    Footballoutsiders.com has the best stats available, they are adjusted to a neutral playing field

    The NFL determines the best players by adding up all their yards no matter what situations they came in or how many plays it took to get them. Now why would they do that? Football has one objective-to get to the end zone-and two ways to achieve that, by gaining yards and getting first downs. These two goals need to be balanced to determine a player's value or a team's performance.All the yards in the world aren't useful if they all come in eight-yard chunks on third-and-10.

    Of course, the biggest variable in football is the fact that each team plays a different schedule. By adjusting each play based on the defense's average success in stopping that type of play over the course of a season, we get DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. Rushing and passing plays are adjusted based on down and location on the field; receiving plays are also adjusted based on how the defense performs against passes to running backs, tight ends, and wide receivers. Defenses are adjusted based on the average success of the offenses they are facing. (Yes, this is still called DVOA, for the sake of simplicity.)
    Your net stats are archaic....

    But even still, you say the Saints and Vikings have top 50% rushing games in the league...How then, pray tell, do they run the same exact offense as the Colts who have the worst? You aren't making sense...

    Based on the numbers presented by Footballoutsiders.com, that adjusts for playing field, opponent and neutralizes the playing field accounting only for a player's individual effectiveness...

    Pierre Thomas was the 5th most effective runner in the league
    Adrian Peterson was the 12th most effective runner in the league
    Joseph Addai was the 14th most effective runner in the league
    Thomas Jones was the 23rd most effective runner in the league.


    Net numbers don't matter as much as you think they do...like it says above, a guy who runs for 8 yards on third-and-ten has, yes, rushed for 8 net yards, but has not helped his team in any truly effective or meaningful way.

    Based on overall defensive efficiency, yes the Jets are #1, but NO is ranked above Minnesota in their effectiveness in relation to time on the field and opposition played.

    All you are doing is spouting net stats...yes, the Jets have the #1 running game, but that's because they have two effective runners as well as a heavy reliance on the running game. It's not a bad thing, it just skews the NET stats used by amateur football analysts that don't really know what they are talking about. Same can be said for the Colts, they rely on an injury prone Joseph Addai and have a QB who may be the best ever...obviously, they call more passing plays, and as such, the stats will be skewed in that direction.

    Is it that hard to comprehend that if a team relies on the running game, and as such, calls more running plays, that they will get more running yards than a team that relies on the pass? I don't think so...This is the fundamental flaw in all the stats you sight, they do not account for extraneous factors beyond "The Jets called a run...The Colts called a pass".

    Even still, you still haven't explained how the Colts and Saints and Vikings all run the same offense when you then admitted that the Saints and Vikings have top half in the league running games (even based on archaic net yard stats).

    To clarify, I AM NOT SAYING THE JETS ARE NOT AS GOOD AS ANY OF THESE TEAMS. Quite the opposite, I think they have a puncher's chance versus the Colts. In the playoffs, if you can run the ball and play tough defense, you can win the whole thing (look at the Ravens from years ago). I'm just not convinced the Jets are any better than the Ravens (Ravens are the #2 defense and have a better #1 runner than do the Jets as well as a great backup). But the stats you post are so skewed and so awfully flawed that I had to correct it. Like I said, the Saints defensive numbers are also skewed...they spend so much time on the field because the offense is so vertical that they score at will and the defense spends a ton of time on the field. But Will Smith is still the 2nd best sack man in the game, and Jabari Greer is only really slightly worse than Darrelle Revis, he was an incredible shutdown corner this year, just nobody is talking about him.

    Edit: Just wanted to throw this in there too, about the skewed net defensive numbers. Now, the Jets are the #1 defense when you adjust for everything. Their defense is a stone-wall, nobody is doubting that. But for the future, when you look at the numbers, consider this:

    A team that is better at the run is more likely to be better on defense. Why? Ball Control

    If a team that controls the ball and controls the clock for long periods of time gets up, this necessarily leaves their opponent with less time. This forces teams to take more risks, run for bigger, lower %age plays. That is, rushing helps increase time of possession. As you increase time of possession on offense, you decrease the amount of time the other team has the ball, and thus decrease the amount of time they have to score, thereby increasing the yardage you have to cover per minute. It takes away the run. AGAIN, I AM NOT SAYING THE JETS BENEFIT FROM THIS. It's just something to consider when looking at net defensive stats for a good team, take a peek at time of possession and rushing plays called, I guarantee it's high.
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    All that mouthful above said, I'd like to hear why anyone should think the Jets are different from the Ravens.

    Jets have a strong running game with Jones/Greene, Ravens had a strong running game with Rice/McGahee.

    Jets have a young, inexperienced QB with Sanchez, Ravens have a young, inexperienced QB with Flacco.

    Jets have Rex Ryan's defense, Ravens have Rex Ryan's defense.

    Jets have a shutdown DB in Revis, Ravens have a shutdown DB in Ed Reed.

    Jets WR is likely their weak point, Ravens WR is their weak point.

    Colts could stop Ray Rice, why are they unable to stop Shonn Greene?

    I think the Jets stand a chance if they can control the clock, but there's a lot of evidence saying that this AFC Championship will just be Colts-Ravens 2.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    All that mouthful above said, I'd like to hear why anyone should think the Jets are different from the Ravens.

    Jets have a strong running game with Jones/Greene, Ravens had a strong running game with Rice/McGahee.

    Jets have a young, inexperienced QB with Sanchez, Ravens have a young, inexperienced QB with Flacco.

    Jets have Rex Ryan's defense, Ravens have Rex Ryan's defense.

    Jets have a shutdown DB in Revis, Ravens have a shutdown DB in Ed Reed.

    Jets WR is likely their weak point, Ravens WR is their weak point.

    Colts could stop Ray Rice, why are they unable to stop Shonn Greene?

    I think the Jets stand a chance if they can control the clock, but there's a lot of evidence saying that this AFC Championship will just be Colts-Ravens 2.


    the ravens are wack. flacco is garbage. ed reed is 31 years old and he ain't no shutdown player anymore. He's good, but not great like Revis.


    kblack, you make it seem like the colts can shut down people every given sunday, and you know that's not true.


    peyton will get smashed this next game. The Jets will beat him up so badly that he's going to need cooper manning's crutches

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    Originally Posted by SLY1984
    the ravens are wack. flacco is garbage. ed reed is 31 years old and he ain't no shutdown player anymore. He's good, but not great like Revis.


    kblack, you make it seem like the colts can shut down people every given sunday, and you know that's not true.


    peyton will get smashed this next game. The Jets will beat him up so badly that he's going to need cooper manning's crutches
    I don't think the Colts can shut down people every Sunday. But I know last Saturday Ray Rice gained 65 yards. And Ray Rice is a premier RB. I don't see why they can't shut down Thomas Jones and a peaking Shonn Greene...But there's something to be said for shutting down a guy like Rice, you can't just ignore it and say their run defense is awful.

    Will the Colts shut down GreeneJones? Well, I don't have a crystal ball. But they CAN do it. The Jets also CAN run over people. But Peyton won't beat himself. Peyton has a full game of Jets defensive schemes to study, believe he will be in the room studying their pressures and coverages.

    Don't doubt that Rex can get creative, disguise his coverage, show two when none are coming, that sort of thing.

    Also, one other thing, kickers v. the Jets this postseason are 0 for 5. That's the first time since like 8 years ago that ANY team, regular season or postseason, has seen kickers miss 5 in a row against them (granted one was a 57 yarder). Statistically, this is almost 100% luck (I guess holding teams in bad field position is skill - but consider that of the 4 field goals not from 57 yards out, kickers in the NFL made 85%). It's one thing to take touchdowns off the board and settle for field goals, but the Jets have seen touchdowns and field goals off the board for nothing. It will be interesting to see how field goals come into play.

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    Why do you hate the Jets bro?

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