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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    Lebron is worth more then hes making...we got tim thomas and mobley for zach randolph...mobleys not even playing, tim thomas is a bum. Zach randolph is a guaranteed 20 and 10 guy, and yes hes selfish at times, and his defense is bad, but he can score. I liked the way he was playing for us before we traded him. And you cant say hes a complete loser, hes made the playoffs unlike jamal crawford.

    Walsh is supposed to handle that entirely, but D'antoni can and will give his input as he did with the signing of chris duhon, and drafting Gallinari.

    i too thought we cud have gotten more for randolph. at the time the bulls were desperate for a post game, maybe we cuda nabbed hughes and tyrus thomas? or something like tht, it wuda given us a 2010 expiring contract, and a young player.

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    Lebron is worth more then hes making...we got tim thomas and mobley for zach randolph...mobleys not even playing, tim thomas is a bum. Zach randolph is a guaranteed 20 and 10 guy, and yes hes selfish at times, and his defense is bad, but he can score. I liked the way he was playing for us before we traded him. And you cant say hes a complete loser, hes made the playoffs unlike jamal crawford.

    Walsh is supposed to handle that entirely, but D'antoni can and will give his input as he did with the signing of chris duhon, and drafting Gallinari.
    Randolph is talented, but his huge contract diminishes his trade value. Originally, the best offer we got for him was Darko Millicic and a 2nd round pick for Z-Bo and our 1st rounder. The Clippers deal was the best possible deal we could have gotten.

    I liked how he was playing too. But it would be impossible to ever get under the cap with him on our roster.

    You're right that D'antoni gives his input, but I don't think he had any input on the Randolph trade. That trade was purely for salary cap purposes, it had nothing to do with D'antoni.

    BTW, he made the playoffs his first 2 seasons with the Blazers, in which he averaged 6 minutes and 17 minutes a game for the season. In the playoffs, he averages 12 PPG and 7 RPG in 25 minutes per game. Not really a big accomplishment.

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    Originally Posted by knickzrulezH20
    i too thought we cud have gotten more for randolph. at the time the bulls were desperate for a post game, maybe we cuda nabbed hughes and tyrus thomas? or something like tht, it wuda given us a 2010 expiring contract, and a young player.
    The Bulls would have never done that, unfortunately. They're also looking to sign someone in 2010. No way they take Randolph off our hands and ruin any chance of getting cap space.

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    I found this thread interesting, as everyone is bashing the Randolph trade, especially MSGKnickz33, so I went back to the Randolph thread and found this post from MSGKnickz33 himself:

    Donnie Walsh >> Isiah

    like we didnt already know that, The lowest piece of scum dirtbag on this earth is >> isiah. Crawford >> isiah

    I like what donnies doing...finally someone whos plannin for the future, not right now. At the same time i think these trades will make us a better team right now. We got rid of 2 guys that cant defend. I like Zach randolph and i will root for him with the clippers, but these trades werent just good, like frosted flakes [they're great]
    And this from KO's resident ******* metrocard:

    Mobley can play defense unlike Jamal, and is a better shooter, more skilled/experienced/team oriented.


    Mobley > Crawford

    TT/Harrington = Randolph.

    Randolph is a ball dominate and stat padder who shoots a low FG @ 43%.

    TT/Harrington actually have experience in the HIGH TEMPO offense and have proven to be very productive in it. Its a move that fits the system, which makes it a more productive system because you have players who fit now, unlike Crawford and Randolph.

    Props to the DON.
    At the time everyone was praising the trade, now in hindsight it's bad? The only person who has stayed consistent, ironically, is Team Starbury hanger-on abcd, who bashed the trade when it happened, and bashed it now.

    Look, this season was never about making the playoffs, it was never about winning a title. Two years ago, that was the goal. Last year, that was the goal. This year Donnie takes over, and is a GM that actually knows what he is doing. D'Antoni takes over and installs an up-tempo offense. The goal this year was to REBUILD and RETOOL so eventually we can RELOAD. To come here and expect D'Antoni to take this abysmal franchise, who then trades away mid-season their top-2 leading scorers so that they have more CAP FLEXIBILITY (a good thing), and then also want a playoff bound team is asking a bit much. I'm not saying D'Antoni has done the best job, but it was never about the 2008-09 New York Knicks, it was about building for free agency, about digging ourselves out of salary cap hell. But the team has to be bad before they can be better, that's what rebuilding is.

    Even if we don't get LeBron, even if we don't get Wade, Bosh, Stoudemire, Nowitzki or ANYBODY, at the very least they have been dug out of salary cap hell. At the very least we'll be able to move some pieces a little more freely, be able to sign that one guy to that big contract, and at the very least at LEAST this team is playing a brand of basketball that is fun to watch. I hated the Isiah-brand, and when you don't win the Brown-brand is awful to watch. D'Antoni has put together a game that is good to watch, that is at the very least entertaining, even though they are losing.

    But to say D'Antoni didn't do his job, that's just silly, come on now. You are too deep in the forest to see the trees. An NYK Championship in 2009 is not the goal, the goal is to be better down the line, to be better in the long term and for a longer period of time, not to make ridiculous trades for over-rated superstars to try in vain to win now.

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    The bottom line is the Knicks should not have hired Mike D'Antoni. The Knicks' #1 weakness is defense. Patrick Ewing emphasizes defense, and he's great at developing centers. Look at how much better Yao Ming and Dwight Howard currently are. The Knicks made a mistake for not hiring Ewing and not drafting Brook Lopez. They also made a mistake for paying Marbury to do nothing and trading Zach Randolph for nothing. All of you guys keep talking about Zach Randolph's "huge" contract, but what about Larry Hughes' contract? Hughes makes almost as much money as Randolph, and he sucks.
    All you guys talk about Marbury being a cancer. Well, Marbury's not here anymore. Why are the Knicks not winning? And if Marbury is such a cancer, why are the Celtics playing as good as they have all season?

    On October 31st, the start of the 2009-2010 season, what are the Knicks going to have to attract a star?

    Chris Duhon? Larry Hughes? Jared Jeffries? One dimensional Gallinari?

    SMH
    Last edited by abcd; Mar 29, 2009 at 19:54.

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    Randolph is talented, but his huge contract diminishes his trade value. Originally, the best offer we got for him was Darko Millicic and a 2nd round pick for Z-Bo and our 1st rounder. The Clippers deal was the best possible deal we could have gotten.

    I liked how he was playing too. But it would be impossible to ever get under the cap with him on our roster.

    You're right that D'antoni gives his input, but I don't think he had any input on the Randolph trade. That trade was purely for salary cap purposes, it had nothing to do with D'antoni.

    BTW, he made the playoffs his first 2 seasons with the Blazers, in which he averaged 6 minutes and 17 minutes a game for the season. In the playoffs, he averages 12 PPG and 7 RPG in 25 minutes per game. Not really a big accomplishment.
    I dont know, it depends on how you look at it. 25 minutes per game is over half the game, but it really doesnt prove my point...which is that z-bo is not as much of a cancer as people say he is, he was put in a bad situation here in New York.

    I dont think D'antoni had any input on the Randolph trade, i never at any point thought he did. The only things i think D'antoni had input on was drafting the big ****, and he had his mind made up from day one that Marbury wasnt gonna play so he pushed for duhorn signing.

    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    I found this thread interesting, as everyone is bashing the Randolph trade, especially MSGKnickz33, so I went back to the Randolph thread and found this post from MSGKnickz33 himself:



    And this from KO's resident ******* metrocard:



    At the time everyone was praising the trade, now in hindsight it's bad? The only person who has stayed consistent, ironically, is Team Starbury hanger-on abcd, who bashed the trade when it happened, and bashed it now.

    Look, this season was never about making the playoffs, it was never about winning a title. Two years ago, that was the goal. Last year, that was the goal. This year Donnie takes over, and is a GM that actually knows what he is doing. D'Antoni takes over and installs an up-tempo offense. The goal this year was to REBUILD and RETOOL so eventually we can RELOAD. To come here and expect D'Antoni to take this abysmal franchise, who then trades away mid-season their top-2 leading scorers so that they have more CAP FLEXIBILITY (a good thing), and then also want a playoff bound team is asking a bit much. I'm not saying D'Antoni has done the best job, but it was never about the 2008-09 New York Knicks, it was about building for free agency, about digging ourselves out of salary cap hell. But the team has to be bad before they can be better, that's what rebuilding is.

    Even if we don't get LeBron, even if we don't get Wade, Bosh, Stoudemire, Nowitzki or ANYBODY, at the very least they have been dug out of salary cap hell. At the very least we'll be able to move some pieces a little more freely, be able to sign that one guy to that big contract, and at the very least at LEAST this team is playing a brand of basketball that is fun to watch. I hated the Isiah-brand, and when you don't win the Brown-brand is awful to watch. D'Antoni has put together a game that is good to watch, that is at the very least entertaining, even though they are losing.

    But to say D'Antoni didn't do his job, that's just silly, come on now. You are too deep in the forest to see the trees. An NYK Championship in 2009 is not the goal, the goal is to be better down the line, to be better in the long term and for a longer period of time, not to make ridiculous trades for over-rated superstars to try in vain to win now.
    Haha very funny...we got a funny guy here.

    I just wanna put you in a headlock and give you a nuggie

    In defense of...myself...I thought Mobley would be playing for us, and I never really thought that trade was great...i just felt like swagger jackin tony the tiger. I was and still is a big fan of crawford for Al Harrington, however. And i remember saying once i found out that Mobley wouldnt be playing for us, that we should have got a 2nd round pick from the clippers.

    Metro hasnt even posted in this thread yet, how you gonna bring him up? You did yourself in there doggie, thats not a good look when you bringin up other dudes for no reason.

    Who said anything about us making the playoffs this year? I just think that we should be able to win more games then we won in 2006-07, and while we are entertaining at times lets not act like we can still be embarrassing as seen recently against the bobcats and the kings.

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33

    Metro hasnt even posted in this thread yet, how you gonna bring him up? You did yourself in there doggie, thats not a good look when you bringin up other dudes for no reason.
    I brought him in because a ton of people on this board (not me) are on the guy's dick saying how good of a bball analyst he is. Most of metro's posts consist of him talking about how good he is at talking basketball. And that's what he had to say.

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    I dont know, it depends on how you look at it. 25 minutes per game is over half the game, but it really doesnt prove my point...which is that z-bo is not as much of a cancer as people say he is, he was put in a bad situation here in New York.

    I dont think D'antoni had any input on the Randolph trade, i never at any point thought he did. The only things i think D'antoni had input on was drafting the big ****, and he had his mind made up from day one that Marbury wasnt gonna play so he pushed for duhorn signing.
    I agree that he isn't a cancer. He got unfairly blamed in the 2007-2008 season.

    Perhaps I misunderstood you about D'antoni having input on the Randolph trade, when you said:
    I forgot to mention that, he couldnt get us a draft pick for zach randolph?
    I thought you meant D'antoni as he. My mistake.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    All you guys talk about Marbury being a cancer. Well, Marbury's not here anymore. Why are the Knicks not winning? And if Marbury is such a cancer, why are the Celtics playing as good as they have all season?
    They haven't been. In the last 15 games (Marbury has played in 15 games) the Celtics are 9-6 for a .600 winning percentage. The team on the season has a .743 winning percentage. That's a drop of 14.3% in wins per game since Marbury has shown up.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    The bottom line is the Knicks should not have hired Mike D'Antoni. The Knicks' #1 weakness is defense. Patrick Ewing emphasizes defense, and he's great at developing centers. Look at how much better Yao Ming and Dwight Howard currently are. The Knicks made a mistake for not hiring Ewing and not drafting Brook Lopez. They also made a mistake for paying Marbury to do nothing and trading Zach Randolph for nothing. All of you guys keep talking about Zach Randolph's "huge" contract, but what about Larry Hughes' contract? Hughes makes almost as much money as Randolph, and he sucks.
    All you guys talk about Marbury being a cancer. Well, Marbury's not here anymore. Why are the Knicks not winning? And if Marbury is such a cancer, why are the Celtics playing as good as they have all season?

    On October 31st, the start of the 2009-2010 season, what are the Knicks going to have to attract a star?

    Chris Duhon? Larry Hughes? Jared Jeffries? One dimensional Gallinari?

    SMH
    Patrick Ewing has never been a head coach before. The Knicks aren't a team where Ewing could have learned on the job. We needed someone with experience as a coach. Mike D'antoni was the best man for the job.

    It is yet to be seen whether or not drafting Lopez was a mistake. Gallinari was injured, and didn't get a chance to showcase most of his abilities. Hopefully, he'll come back 100% next season. But it is too soon to already be declaring that pick a mistake. At least wait till the end of next season to make your judgment.

    Larry Hughes contract expires after the 2009-2010 season. It is one year shorter than Randolph's, giving us cap flexibility in 2010. Hughes' expiring contract could also be used as trade bait next year, for teams looking to clear salary. One trade scenario could be Carmelo Anthony for Hughes and a young player if Denver decides to rebuild. There a lot of possibilities when you have expiring contracts.

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    Professional? Mike D'antoni? Apparently you dont know much about him...

    phoenix fans turned against him when he said the season ticket holders could hop off the bandwagon, and that the suns had plenty of new fans ready to hop on it. Im not sure what the phoenix fans were upset about but it probably had somethin to do with the teams defense and gettin owned year after year in the playoffs by the spurs.


    I agree with that but theres several other teams that are in the same boat as us, we gave away too many games. The fact that a team with about the same talent level won 33 games 2 years ago, and we might not even do that this year...thats not impressive to me.

    This isn't a Mike D'antoni sucks thread...more like a Mike D'antoni is overrated thread.





    Part of what you said is true, but lets not be ignorant, its obvious that D'antoni had his say in who we drafted, and hes the reason why we have Duhon. Donnie would have played starbury and we could have used that duhorn money elsewhere.

    Lets not forget Larry Brown telling Isiah thomas to trade penny and ariza for steve francis...Walsh needs to be his own man, stand his own ground. Much respect to him for the teams he put together in Indiana (that were later destroyed by Larry Bird)....Stephen Jackson, Ron Artest, Jermaine Oneal, reggie miller...he had a good team, that played defense.



    Who called him lousy? I said he was overrated, im sick of hearing how hes done a nice job of turning us around and getting us in the right direction. Its pathetic how knicks fans slobber all over him. Hes got a wife doggie, let her do that...not you personally, but knicks fans that show him too much love.

    He didnt do anything thats impressed me...yea, we score alotta points but we give up more points then we score...hence the reason why we're a losing team. This team was capable of winning 35 games, but there was too many games that we didnt show up, played with no heart, and played like this was the WNBA. Whos fault is that? Its everybodys fault, players and coaches. I dont always like D'antoni's substitution patterns, and he made his man love for the big **** obvious when he tried inserting him into the starting lineup for a couple games.

    I have nothing against Gallinari, I like him...but he wasnt ready to start. It just proves what i have been saying...I've been saying it for a while, D'antoni is too emotional. He doesnt always think rationally...we saw this with marbury, with the big ****, and countless times when he was in phoenix. Hes stressed out, nervous, anxious, which always makes it easy to tell when hes lying. When we finally are a playoff team again, Ill give more credit to the fact that we were bad for so long then i will to D'antoni.

    And thats what i dont like...we've been bad for way too long. I thought only the Clippers could do that...Isiah set us back, i realize that Walsh and D'antoni came into a mess but with the exception of some of the money saving trades that were made, i dont like some of the other things dantoni has done. 33 wins 2 years ago, we wont even do that this year.



    I forgot to mention that, he couldnt get us a draft pick for zach randolph? smh @ dantony, if i was him i would just give up after not being able to match isiahs win total from 2 years ago...thats about as low as it gets.

    You still don't get it. First off read my response and tell me how I am "slobbering all over him". I even said he may turn out not to be a good fit for us, however it is too early to judge. Again most smart fans know enough not to pass judgement this early on. Some coaches join teams and are successful right away, but, it not expected.

    He inherited a bad team, I again ask you to name me another coach who gets a significant amount more wins with this group. Another question, would The Suns be missing the playoffs if Dantoni was still coach?

    Dantoni has been the only coach to hold Eddy Curry accountable for being out of shape. Jared Jefferies has looked better this year than he has any other year as a Knick. He has done some good things, but, yeah I can't praise the coach of a 28 win team with 10 games to go. But, I'm not writting him off either, it just wouldnt be intelligent.

    Wait now explain how Dantoni was supposed to get a draft pick for Zach, isnt that Walsh's job? Plus, The Clippers knew how bad The Knicks wanted to dump Zach's contract and they werent giving up anything more than what they gave us anyways. But, again how was that on Dantoni.

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    I agree that he isn't a cancer. He got unfairly blamed in the 2007-2008 season.

    Perhaps I misunderstood you about D'antoni having input on the Randolph trade, when you said:

    I thought you meant D'antoni as he. My mistake.
    its all good, lookin back on what i said it wasnt the most clear post...

    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    They haven't been. In the last 15 games (Marbury has played in 15 games) the Celtics are 9-6 for a .600 winning percentage. The team on the season has a .743 winning percentage. That's a drop of 14.3% in wins per game since Marbury has shown up.
    Thats real funny, considering the number of games garnett has missed...and lets not forget, rondo was injured, powe was injured, ray allen missed a game or two, big baby davis was hurt...

    Originally Posted by New New York
    You still don't get it. First off read my response and tell me how I am "slobbering all over him". I even said he may turn out not to be a good fit for us, however it is too early to judge. Again most smart fans know enough not to pass judgement this early on. Some coaches join teams and are successful right away, but, it not expected.

    He inherited a bad team, I again ask you to name me another coach who gets a significant amount more wins with this group. Another question, would The Suns be missing the playoffs if Dantoni was still coach?

    Dantoni has been the only coach to hold Eddy Curry accountable for being out of shape. Jared Jefferies has looked better this year than he has any other year as a Knick. He has done some good things, but, yeah I can't praise the coach of a 28 win team with 10 games to go. But, I'm not writting him off either, it just wouldnt be intelligent.

    Wait now explain how Dantoni was supposed to get a draft pick for Zach, isnt that Walsh's job? Plus, The Clippers knew how bad The Knicks wanted to dump Zach's contract and they werent giving up anything more than what they gave us anyways. But, again how was that on Dantoni.
    lol i didnt say you were slobbering all over D'antoni, but some knicks fans are.

    And again, the only two decisions that i believe D'antoni had a say in were drafting gallinari and signing Duhorn.

    Other then that, I respect what you said and I partially disagree...you brought up something real interesting, would the suns be a playoff team if D'antoni was still coaching them. Its tough to say, but maybe...they do have alot more talent then us, shaq >> the knicks

    But this aint about what he would be doing with phoenix, this is about what hes done with the knicks. The only point im trying to make is that he hasnt done the job that some knicks fans give us credit for. I wouldnt even say hes done a decent job. If he cant win as many games as Isiah thomas did 2 years ago with Eddy Curry as the #1 option on offense, and with all the injuries that team had at the end of the year, then i dont believe that hes met his expectations that come with his reputation of being one of the best coaches in the nba. Overall MIke D is overrated...and that doesnt mean that hes a bad coach, it just means hes not as good as the average sports fan or analysist says he is.

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    we'd be talking about getting ready for the playoffs now if Mark Jackson was the head coach, but you all didn't listen. look at all the other brand name coaches this organizations has had and they all did not deliver. Pat Riley, Don Nelson, Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown and now D'Antoni.

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    Originally Posted by quiggle
    we'd be talking about getting ready for the playoffs now if Mark Jackson was the head coach, but you all didn't listen. look at all the other brand name coaches this organizations has had and they all did not deliver. Pat Riley, Don Nelson, Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown and now D'Antoni.
    Lenny Wilkens got the Knicks to the playoffs. He has an above .500 record with the Knicks. Isiah Thomas told him to quit, though.

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    Originally Posted by quiggle
    we'd be talking about getting ready for the playoffs now if Mark Jackson was the head coach, but you all didn't listen. look at all the other brand name coaches this organizations has had and they all did not deliver. Pat Riley, Don Nelson, Lenny Wilkens, Larry Brown and now D'Antoni.
    So The Knicks would have been a playoff team with a guy that never coached a day in his life? Imagine how great The Knicks would have been after a year with Jackson? Maybe we would have gone undefeated.

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