With one year on the job, Donnie Walsh has put his stamp on Knicks

What grade would you give Donnie Walsh for his performance thus far with the Knicks?


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yeah marbury puts up d league numbers in 6th man minutes since joining the celtics. good job walsh.

any way.

how are you going to grade this guy for rearranging a puzzle missing half its pieces.

give him a grade when his set plan for 2010 is finished.

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KBlack25

Starter
yeah i would take a playoff appearance over a draft pick of 8 and above

But would you take the 8 seed against a 1 seed who has lost one game at home all year and a 0% shot at the #1 pick or a 1% shot at the #1 pick? What good does being an 8 seed and getting embarrassed do, really, in the long run?
 

Kiyaman

Legend
So, you guys are satisfied with just making the playoffs?

If not, then enlighten me on how to realistically build a championship caliber team by 2010 with Crawford and Zach on the roster.


Where is everyone getting the word "Championship" and Donnie Walsh from?

This is a thread about Donnie Walsh....not Championship Pat Riley.
u have 20 years in Indiaina why the word Championship does not go in front or in back of the name Donnie Walsh.

Drafting Brook Lopez was the start of this teams rebuilding-mode.
Both Zach & Curry could have "tandem" with Brook Lopez defensive talent.

Wilson Chandler started making his mark offensively & defensively on this team last year at this time, was our best player in the SL games, and in the preseason his all-around perfomance fitted this system to well to deny him playingtime this season.
Balkman should have remained on the team for defensive purposes or best used in a trade on draft night for a lower pick.

Duhon was the right guard to tandem with Marbury or Nate.
So the signing of Duhorn was one of the reasons why I gave Walsh a passing grade of C-minus b/c Walsh lost big points on his grading from his draft pick, signing Roberson, trading Balkman for nothing, DNP Marbury, and doing nothing from October to now to get Curry into game shape.
Mardy Collins was a great piece to have on the bench for defensive assignments.

Having a Defensive players at C-Lopez, SF-Balkman, and PG-Collins would have gave our bench a defensive depth.
Trading Crawful almost gave Walsh a grade B....but when he traded Zach & Collins for nothing his grade stayed at C-minus.
 

KBlack25

Starter
Drafting Brook Lopez was the start of this teams rebuilding-mode.
Both Zach & Curry could have "tandem" with Brook Lopez defensive talent.

Hindsight is 20/20, we also could have drafted Amare Stoudemire in 2002 or Andrew Bynum instead of Channing Frye. Bye-gones are bye-gones. If he could have seen how well Lopez had adjusted to the NBA, I'm sure the Knicks wouldn't have made the Gallo pick.

DNP Marbury

D'Antoni's decision.

and doing nothing from October to now to get Curry into game shape.

Curry, to his defense, had to deal with a lot of shit this year. It's not on the GM to get the guy in playing shape, that's on the trainers and the coaching staff. In any case, Eddy Curry went through a lot this year, from ridiculous allegations of sexual harrassment to the mother of his child getting murdered. He's had a lot to deal with, none of which can be attributed to Donnie Walsh but all of which affected Eddy Curry getting into game shape.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
But would you take the 8 seed against a 1 seed who has lost one game at home all year and a 0% shot at the #1 pick or a 1% shot at the #1 pick? What good does being an 8 seed and getting embarrassed do, really, in the long run?

This 2008-9 season had twice as much weak teams than last season did....and the Knicks had the jump on everyone b/c there was no more Isiah Thomas calling the shots that's and automatic 35 win season....drafting a defensive-center Brook Lopez gives us 5 more games to add with the 35....giving Duhon all of Crawful playingtime and keeping Balkman would've gave us 5 more games to add to the 40....a 45 win Knick team would not be a 8th seed.
 

KBlack25

Starter
This 2008-9 season had twice as much weak teams than last season did....and the Knicks had the jump on everyone b/c there was no more Isiah Thomas calling the shots that's and automatic 35 win season....drafting a defensive-center Brook Lopez gives us 5 more games to add with the 35....giving Duhon all of Crawful playingtime and keeping Balkman would've gave us 5 more games to add to the 40....a 45 win Knick team would not be a 8th seed.

This is beyond speculation, this is absolutely ridiculous. You just are attributing more wins blindly. You have no evidence, statistical, consequential, circumstantial, NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that any of these "estimates" are even in the ballpark of what would happen, none the less accurate. You can't just say that having no Isiah means we win 35. You can't just say that Brook Lopez adds 5 more wins. You can't just say playing Duhon, sitting Crawford and Balkman adds 5 more wins. That's not even close to being anything resembling rational, appropriate or accurate. At all. In any way.
 

LeFlume

All Star
It's funny that so many think they know so much. When in reality they know so little. Let's face it guys. "OUR" New York Knicks is 48 x 82. That's what we get. That's what we see. 48 minutes x 82 games.

D'Antoni and Walsh have to be leaders. They have to get a group of, RICH, SPOILED, IDOLIZED, professional athletes that are used to get what they want, when they want, and have them work together. Does that sound easy?

At the same time you have to earn their trust and respect. An easy thing to do in this day and age when players have the media on speed dial #1 and just love to tell their story everytime something is not done their way.

That Marbury was kept in the cold and later let go was for the greater goods. Had they kept him, they would, most likely, have lost the respect from the other players. Then you're done as a leader. You will never get where you wanna go if you don't have your men behind you.

A leader without respect is doomed. Isiah had a playoff team on paper but he never came close to making it. I don't think it was because of his basketball. I think it was because his leadership. I think he lost the respect from his players. What D'Antoni and Walsh have done with the team might be above our pay grade. It might be a leadership thing that we don't have access too.

We shouldn't act like WE know whats best for the team when we don't know shit what's going on outside of 48 x 82.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
This 2008-9 season had twice as much weak teams than last season did....and the Knicks had the jump on everyone b/c there was no more Isiah Thomas calling the shots that's and automatic 35 win season....drafting a defensive-center Brook Lopez gives us 5 more games to add with the 35....giving Duhon all of Crawful playingtime and keeping Balkman would've gave us 5 more games to add to the 40....a 45 win Knick team would not be a 8th seed.
Why is it an auto 35 win season without Isiah?

And how would we have possibly accumulated 45 wins with this team or the pre-trade team? Lopez or no that's a huge call. Can we stop talking about a Nets player on a Knicks site please? It's blasphemous & pointless.

Another thread choc-full of more assumptions from the nay sayers.
 
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jpz17

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done the best with what he could do so Donnie gets and A. We have to be rational here, no one thought we would make the playoffs.
 

LJ4ptplay

Starter
Gotta support the team man!
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abcd

KnicksonLIN.com
So, you guys are satisfied with just making the playoffs?

If not, then enlighten me on how to realistically build a championship caliber team by 2010 with Crawford and Zach on the roster.

This post shows you are ignorant.

Of course Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford can't get the Knicks a championship.

The reason why it's good to make the playoffs, even if you get swept, is that the younger core of players(Nate Robinson, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari) can get playoff experience that can help them in the future.

Most teams that win championships don't win them by signing a big free agent in one year.

Most teams that win championships have to first gain playoff experience and then add pieces to eventually make them a contender.

What good is a 2010 plan, if nobody on the team has playoff experience?

Lebron James cannot make the Knicks a championship team, if he's the only one with playoff experience. And that's if the Knicks get Lebron, which they won't.

It is shocking how a Knick fan could say that they would rather suffer and not make the playoffs for years, for the sake of a 2010 plan that most likely won't work.

The Los Angeles Clippers have tried what the Knicks are currently trying for the last 30 years, and it still hasn't worked.

Trading your top scorers for role players just makes your team worse.
 
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Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
This post shows you are ignorant.

Of course Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford can't get the Knicks a championship.

The reason why it's good to make the playoffs, even if you get swept, is that the younger core of players(Nate Robinson, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari) can get playoff experience that can help them in the future.

Most teams that win championships don't win them by signing a big free agent in one year.

Most teams that win championships have to first gain playoff experience and then add pieces to eventually make them a contender.

What good is a 2010 plan, if nobody on the team has playoff experience?

Lebron James cannot make the Knicks a championship team, if he's the only one with playoff experience. And that's if the Knicks get Lebron, which they won't.

It is shocking how a Knick fan could say that they would rather suffer and not make the playoffs for years, for the sake of a 2010 plan that most likely won't work.

The Los Angeles Clippers have tried what the Knicks are currently trying for the last 30 years, and it still hasn't worked.

Trading your top scorers for role players just makes your team worse.
And what about dealing with the mess (huge contracts) first? If you want to add those championship pieces to a core you need cash. How obvious is that?

You get it right?

I agree that we'll need post season experience to get the motor running, but a first round sweep is borderline demoralizing.! Look what happened last time we got swept!

With all the mess left behind from Isiah Thomas & Layden, renovations were always going to be a trial, because renovations always are! Have you not done any before?

Isiah Thomas should have done precisely what Donnie is doing when he was handed a festering turd of a payroll. Instead he signed more expensive players and escalated the problem. You can't buy yourself out of a hole in the NBA anymore & the entire franchise plummeted into decay.

The current process is like tidying up after a frat party. You get rid of the worst & most unwanted shit first (Isiah, Mebury, Z Bo's contract, James & Rose) & hope the rest of the shit stains will somehow disappear (Curry & Jeffries) because they're too ****ing hard to get out of the carpet.

Don't think that anyone on here wants to not make the playoffs for years either. That would be shocking, but it's not the case..

What's shocking to me is how a few posters on here give the majority of their praise to a Nets player. Never mind crying over spilled milk in the form of Marbury & Z Bo.

Marbury, Randolph & Lopez do not play for the Knicks & it's a good thing (bar Lopez). Deal with it.
 

TunerAddict

Starter
This post shows you are ignorant.

Of course Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford can't get the Knicks a championship.

The reason why it's good to make the playoffs, even if you get swept, is that the younger core of players(Nate Robinson, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari) can get playoff experience that can help them in the future.

Most teams that win championships don't win them by signing a big free agent in one year.

Most teams that win championships have to first gain playoff experience and then add pieces to eventually make them a contender.

What good is a 2010 plan, if nobody on the team has playoff experience?

Lebron James cannot make the Knicks a championship team, if he's the only one with playoff experience. And that's if the Knicks get Lebron, which they won't.

It is shocking how a Knick fan could say that they would rather suffer and not make the playoffs for years, for the sake of a 2010 plan that most likely won't work.

The Los Angeles Clippers have tried what the Knicks are currently trying for the last 30 years, and it still hasn't worked.

Trading your top scorers for role players just makes your team worse.

No, the Clippers have constantly gotten great talent through the draft, then let them walk in the long term because they refuse to pay any money for anybody. They were solely in this for profit for the longest time.

The Baron Davis contract is like, the first real player they've paid that I can think of. The usually let it go a la Elton Brand or Corey Maggette...They'll just replace that talent with another lottery pick, keep their talent level the same, and keep costs down while remaining profitable.
 

LJ4ptplay

Starter
This post shows you are ignorant.

Of course Zach Randolph and Jamal Crawford can't get the Knicks a championship.

The reason why it's good to make the playoffs, even if you get swept, is that the younger core of players(Nate Robinson, David Lee, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari) can get playoff experience that can help them in the future.

Most teams that win championships don't win them by signing a big free agent in one year.

Most teams that win championships have to first gain playoff experience and then add pieces to eventually make them a contender.

What good is a 2010 plan, if nobody on the team has playoff experience?

Lebron James cannot make the Knicks a championship team, if he's the only one with playoff experience. And that's if the Knicks get Lebron, which they won't.

It is shocking how a Knick fan could say that they would rather suffer and not make the playoffs for years, for the sake of a 2010 plan that most likely won't work.

The Los Angeles Clippers have tried what the Knicks are currently trying for the last 30 years, and it still hasn't worked.

Trading your top scorers for role players just makes your team worse.

All of your posts are filled with ignorance. abcd = ignorance. You say you're in college, but you post like a 13 year old boy. Embarrasing. What's your I.Q.? Like 80? I can't believe I waste my time reading your drivel.

Everything you just said either contradicts itself or is total speculation with zero evidence to support it.

You know you've lost this argument and you're too stubborn to admit it. Evidenced by your love for Crawford and Zach. Players that you've bashed in the past.

Give it up man. Crawford and Zach were not going to lead this team to anything. Not even the playoffs. The team was 6-5 when they were moved. Hardly evidence to say for certain the Knicks were going to make the playoffs. Zach got injured and missed over 20 games in L.A. and Crawford is riding the bench in Golden State.

Both of those teams have more talent than the Knicks yet both have worse records than the Knicks. If Crawford and Zach were so great, how come neither of them are going to the playoffs? Are they really worth mortgaging the Knicks future for many years to come?
 

Kiyaman

Legend
This is beyond speculation, this is absolutely ridiculous. You just are attributing more wins blindly. You have no evidence, statistical, consequential, circumstantial, NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that any of these "estimates" are even in the ballpark of what would happen, none the less accurate. You can't just say that having no Isiah means we win 35. You can't just say that Brook Lopez adds 5 more wins. You can't just say playing Duhon, sitting Crawford and Balkman adds 5 more wins. That's not even close to being anything resembling rational, appropriate or accurate. At all. In any way.

Nothing I wrote was speculation....what is speculation was the thought of getting Lebron James.
That is like the Lakers letting Magic Johnson go to the next team, or Boston letting Larry Bird go to the next team, or Chicago letting Jordan go to the next team.
The Knicks Layden showed just how dum he was in his first year by letting Ewing go to the next team....three months after the Knicks were in the Finals...
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Here an evaluation I wrote before the 2008 draft....

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Under Layden's tour the Knicks had a decent head coach and coaching-staff. But they did not have all 5 position filled with the right players?.they depended to much on PG-Ward, SG-Houston, SF-Spree, and PF-Kurt Thomas to hold the team together offensively and defensively for all 82 opponents. <o:p></o:p>
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The Knicks biggest problem throughout Isiah Thomas era has been we had the worst coaching-staff in the NBA. Our 23 win season is 75% coach and 25% players.

Cancer-Players List<o:p></o:p>
Marbury: logic says keep him throughout his ending contract season, unless the next team want him and have a decent guard and first round pick to trade for him. To keep Marbury the Knicks must trade Crawful asap. <o:p></o:p>

Crawford: keeping Marbury automatically means trading Crawford. He had 4 years on this Knick Team averaging over 32 mpg and all his flaws are the only consistent thing in his performance. He is 60% of the reason why his teams best performance is a 33 win season. <o:p></o:p>

Q.Richardson: he talks as a leader but has no team concept in his performance or in his attitude which divides every locker room he has played in since Depaul, his FG percentage and assist within the last 3 season says he should?ve been traded seasons ago ASAP. <o:p></o:p>

Jefferies: has talent some where in his performance its just that is does not show it with any of his Knick teammates in the last 2 seasons. He is not a scorer at any of the positions he has played at, and his defensive performance at any position has been questionable repeatedly. He is not a keeper! <o:p></o:p>

Zach Randolph: to selfish in his overall (20-10) performance he needs a defensive-coach and a team-player coach on his back throughout a 82 season?.or just trade his contract for a double-double role-player. <o:p></o:p>

Curry: is still a one dimensional player that is a "Work in Progress" which needs a personal center trainer to coach him a season or two. <o:p></o:p>
Jerome James: WHO???<o:p></o:p>
 
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