NYのトレード09 - Knicks Off-Season Trade Contest

Will Eddy Curry make a succesful return next year & average 20ppg?

  • Don't be ****ing stupid.

    Votes: 11 78.6%
  • Don't be ****ing stupid.

    Votes: 9 64.3%

  • Total voters
    14

KBlack25

Starter
Yeah, I would hate to have 28.4pts, 7.7 rebs, 7.3 assts and 1.2 blks at the PF position, plus 22.7pts, 9.9rebs, and 1.0 blks at the C position (sarcasm).

Problem is LJ, yes those stats are good when taken in a vacuum. But if LBJ is playing the PF he's likely being checked by the other team's PF. Currently, LBJ gets his 7 boards going against SFs or even guys like Jason Kidd, so the numbers are skewed. LBJ wouldn't put up 7 boards being checked by the league's PFs. He can put them up against the league's SFs, SGs and PGs who check him now.

Likewise, same deal with Bosh. He puts up his boards being checked by the league's PFs. If he's playing center, he likely will be checked by the other team's center. Bosh wouldn't put up 9 rpg against Dwight Howard, Z, Bynum or any of the league's top centers, or even a decent one. It's all relative.
 

jpz17

Starter
Spurs Get:
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Jared Jeffries #20 PF

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>5.3</td><td>4.1</td><td>0.6</td></tr></tbody></table>
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Danilo Gallinari #8 F

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>6.1</td><td>2</td><td>0.1</td></tr></tbody></table>
Knicks get:
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Kurt Thomas #40 C

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>4.3</td><td>5.2</td><td>0.8</td></tr></tbody></table>
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Roger Mason #8 SG

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>3P%</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>11.6</td><td>2.1</td><td>.417</td></tr></tbody></table>

Why for the Spurs?????
---Jared Jefferies is a good defensive presence to have for a team in playoff contention. Gallinari is a good shooter like Kerr that ever championship team needs, while he also has major upside.
Why for the Knicks????
---Two expiring contacts. They gain 8 million to spend in the summer of 2010 while they still get two decent players. Both are aging, but again they are for the future. Kurt coming back to NY is big and I like this move for the fans.




Mavs get:

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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Eddy Curry #34 C

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>1.7</td><td>1.3</td><td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Wilson Chandler #21 SF

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>APG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>14</td><td>5.4</td><td>2.1</td></tr></tbody></table>
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Nate Robinson #4 PG

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>SPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>17.9</td><td>4.1</td><td>1.3</td></tr></tbody></table>^^^ Signed to 3 years 8 million per year

Knicks get:

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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Josh Howard #5 SF

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>APG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>18.1</td><td>4.9</td><td>1.7</td></tr></tbody></table>
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Jerry Stackhouse #42 SG

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>3P%</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>4.2</td><td>1.2</td><td>.158</td></tr></tbody></table>
Why for the Mavs? Cuban will make a risky move, hes like an Isiah Thomas but smarter. He will realize his system doesn't work so he will go to youth, in comes Robinson and Chandler. Unstopable lineup.. Kidd Robinson Chandler Dirk and whoever..

Why for the Knicks? Josh Howard is a star, just what we need to get a LeBron

Resign Lee to 4 years 8.5 million per

Now.... Realisticly.... our lineup in 2009 would be

C David Lee
PF Al Harrington
SF Josh Howard
SG Larry Hughes
PG Chris Duhon

Bench
Roger Mason
Jerry Stackhouse
Kurt Thomas
Quentin Richardson
DRAFT PICK

Our 2010 Lineup...
C Dirk
PF David Lee
SF LeBron James
SG Josh Howard
PG Johnny Flynn/Ty Lawsom/Chris Duhon

LeBron maxes out, Dirk goes for about 10 million for the first year
 

LJ4ptplay

Starter
Problem is LJ, yes those stats are good when taken in a vacuum. But if LBJ is playing the PF he's likely being checked by the other team's PF. Currently, LBJ gets his 7 boards going against SFs or even guys like Jason Kidd, so the numbers are skewed. LBJ wouldn't put up 7 boards being checked by the league's PFs. He can put them up against the league's SFs, SGs and PGs who check him now.

Likewise, same deal with Bosh. He puts up his boards being checked by the league's PFs. If he's playing center, he likely will be checked by the other team's center. Bosh wouldn't put up 9 rpg against Dwight Howard, Z, Bynum or any of the league's top centers, or even a decent one. It's all relative.

I hear you. But in all likelihood, those are the positions they would be playing in D'Antoni's system. Remember he had Amare playing C and Marion playing PF in Phoenix. He may not choose to recreate everything in Phoenix but I get the feeling he would.
 

TunerAddict

Starter
What I don't get is why can't we sign LeBron for a million a year, but Dolan hires him to do an advertisement for the Garden(or whatever you want to use it for) for 25million a year, one commercial a year. Thats like paying him 26 mill, well over the max.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
What I don't get is why can't we sign LeBron for a million a year, but Dolan hires him to do an advertisement for the Garden(or whatever you want to use it for) for 25million a year, one commercial a year. Thats like paying him 26 mill, well over the max.
Some fat old bastard would've made a ****ed up rule about that I guess.

It'd be too easy otherwise.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
Spurs Get:
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Jared Jeffries #20 PF

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>5.3</td><td>4.1</td><td>0.6</td></tr></tbody></table>
<!-- begin left column --> <!-- begin player -->
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Danilo Gallinari #8 F

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>6.1</td><td>2</td><td>0.1</td></tr></tbody></table>
Knicks get:
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Kurt Thomas #40 C

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>4.3</td><td>5.2</td><td>0.8</td></tr></tbody></table>
<!-- begin left column --> <!-- begin player -->
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Roger Mason #8 SG

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>3P%</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>11.6</td><td>2.1</td><td>.417</td></tr></tbody></table>

Why for the Spurs?????
---Jared Jefferies is a good defensive presence to have for a team in playoff contention. Gallinari is a good shooter like Kerr that ever championship team needs, while he also has major upside.
Why for the Knicks????
---Two expiring contacts. They gain 8 million to spend in the summer of 2010 while they still get two decent players. Both are aging, but again they are for the future. Kurt coming back to NY is big and I like this move for the fans.




Mavs get:

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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Eddy Curry #34 C

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>BPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>1.7</td><td>1.3</td><td>0</td></tr></tbody></table>
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Wilson Chandler #21 SF

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>APG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>14</td><td>5.4</td><td>2.1</td></tr></tbody></table>
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Nate Robinson #4 PG

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>SPG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>17.9</td><td>4.1</td><td>1.3</td></tr></tbody></table>^^^ Signed to 3 years 8 million per year

Knicks get:

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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Josh Howard #5 SF

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>RPG</td><td>APG</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>18.1</td><td>4.9</td><td>1.7</td></tr></tbody></table>
<!-- begin left column --> <!-- begin player -->
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<!-- begin playerStatCont --> Jerry Stackhouse #42 SG

<table class="tablehead statCont" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="gamehead"><td colspan="4">2008-09 STATS</td></tr> <tr class="colhead playerStatSub"><td>PPG</td><td>APG</td><td>3P%</td></tr> <tr class="oddrow playerStats"><td>4.2</td><td>1.2</td><td>.158</td></tr></tbody></table>
Why for the Mavs? Cuban will make a risky move, hes like an Isiah Thomas but smarter. He will realize his system doesn't work so he will go to youth, in comes Robinson and Chandler. Unstopable lineup.. Kidd Robinson Chandler Dirk and whoever..

Why for the Knicks? Josh Howard is a star, just what we need to get a LeBron

Resign Lee to 4 years 8.5 million per

Now.... Realisticly.... our lineup in 2009 would be

C David Lee
PF Al Harrington
SF Josh Howard
SG Larry Hughes
PG Chris Duhon

Bench
Roger Mason
Jerry Stackhouse
Kurt Thomas
Quentin Richardson
DRAFT PICK

Our 2010 Lineup...
C Dirk
PF David Lee
SF LeBron James
SG Josh Howard
PG Johnny Flynn/Ty Lawsom/Chris Duhon

LeBron maxes out, Dirk goes for about 10 million for the first year
If you were to swap Dirk with Lee and replace Lee with a defensive minded center, I'd be all for that! Otherwise I think there'd be some rebounding issues? Still, it's well thought out for sure.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
I kind of like where you're headed with this. Although Bosh is not my first choice, it makes sense to trade for him now, plus he is probably available this offseason. If I'm not mistaken, by trading for him now, I believe we can get another all-star free agent because Bosh's contract expires at the same time. But we would be able to sign Bosh after we sign a Lebron/Wade/etc. regardless of our cap situation because Bosh would be a restricted free agent.

I like the idea of getting Rudy Fernandez. He's going to be a great player. But I don't think Frye could be included because he is a free agent too. Fyre would have to be a sign and trade as well. We would have to work something out with signing Nate and trading him for Rudy and some other player.

Also, what about trading Wilson Chandler and our pick (8th?) to move up to the 2nd or 3rd spot in the draft. If Ricky Rubio is entering the draft we should seriously consider doing this.

Possible 2010 lineup:

PG-Rubio
SG-Fernandez
SF-Gallo
PF-Lebron
C-Bosh
Yeah, I'd be down with the Chandler + 8th pick for Rubio (not just a shot at Rubio) for sure.

I'm pretty sure Lebron is needed in either the 3 or 2 spot, even the 1. He'd play the 4 perfectly of course, but you want him on as many breaks as possible considering his ability to score and draw a foul against anybody.

I personally would prefer:

Rubio (or Ty Lawson and retain Chandler)
Fernandez
The King (Though I think it's highly unlikely)
Bosh
Some bruiser with an Oakley-esque approach to nose bleeds.

That Spanish Armada back-court would rip the league apart. Conquistadors on a fast breaking binge. LA showtime all over again in the Apple. Imagine that pair and Lebron carving through the daily top 10 on nba.com! **** me.

But,who do you have on the bench?

Cheers dude.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
And, I'm not trying to police anyone's trades either. I'm just fretting about the upcoming off-season.

Without a constructive overhaul of personnel in the NY line-up before the 2010 March deadline, the entirety of all efforts to clear cap space for the 2010 off-season and free agent market are going to be jeopardized. Not entirely of course, but, there will be consequences for any and all **** ups.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
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This off-season is massive for us. Good trades are essential. Currently, we're a ****ing expansion team at best.

I've done it before and so has JPZ. For those of us who enjoyed it including myself, I'd love to see who can figure out a realistic trade scenario that'd benefit the team.

Try the link below to view individual contracts and salaries.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

And there's also the ESPN trade machine which has been updated:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Here's a list of this off-seasons free agents

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

Remember, Lee & N8 are both sign and trades if you want to include them in a trade scenario.

Basically, all that means is that you would have to give them a realistic contract and then trade them. eg: pay N8 $7m/year and then trade him for someone of equal or slightly more or less monetary value.

Pretty simple stuff! Always good to see what others can come up with as well.
JPZ's trade thread from earlier in the season was good fun so I thought I'd cook up another one given the perfect timing.


Blow Up The Knicks!

I'm tearin' us apart!

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Additional Caption Contest



Curry - "There's more wood in my jocky than on the floor of MSG right now"
Crawful - "You can add another shot to my nightly total"

Fags.:teeth:


And why hasn't anyone had a go at the additional caption contest?
 

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru
Trade that works!

If I was the GM, the way I would approach trades is to find the players that would fit Mike D's system. He likes his team and players to be fast moving, running and gunning yet play defense. That's why Shaq didn't work with the Suns!!

So here are the players I would trade for that I feel would fit his system and then I will break down how I would acquire them.

Tyson Chandler or Dwight Howard
Lamar Odom
Joe Johnson
Marquis Daniels

Tyson at center
Lamar at Power Forward
Joe Johnson at the 2
I would Keep Wilson Chandler at the 3
Start Duhon at the 1 (I think he deserves a chance to start next year)
I would have Marquis Daniels come off the bench to play at the 2 and 3 spot.
Nate Robinson would be my backup at the 1-2 spots as well as the change of pace guy that could come in when needed.
Keep Curry as a backup Center.

Now I said I would want either Tyson or Dwight at the 5.
Dwight is a free agent after the 2010 season so if the Knicks feel they can get under the cap well enough to make a serious run after him, then I would wait. If the do not feel they have a shot at landing him and want to make a splash this off season, then Chandler is a perfect fit for Mike D's scheme. He can run the court, he's still young and he is a great defender/shot blocker. He also can play the 4 as well as the 5 so he is versitile which is something else that fits well in his system.

Lamar at the 4 fits as well. Again, he is a versitile player, can play the 4 and the 3, as well as having tremendous court vision and ball handeling skills so he can keep with the fluidity of a fast moving offense. He can also rebound and is a decent defender.

Joe Johnson at the 2 guard could be the staple of the offense. He can drive to the basket, hit long range shots, is clutch and has already flurished within Mike D's system when he was in Pheonix. Also, Joe is like Lamar where he has good passing skills and court vision.

Marquis Daniels is a free agent this off season and while he is not the prolific shooter or scorer that Mike D likes in his 2 guards, he is a very good defender! He can play both the 2 and 3 spot so he has versatility and he can pass the ball. Marquis Daniels coming off the bench would keep a consistancy with a level of talent, especially with defense, and would allow Johnson and Wilson Chandler to get ample rest within a game; thus leading to a healthier season all around for these players.

Eddy Curry - Curry has no one to blame but himself for his value dropping. I think he could have a value to this team if he uses this off season to prove that he wants to play and get's himslef in better shape. If this does happen then the Knicks could have a 3 man rotation at the 4-5 spots with Curry, Chandler and Odem. We have already seen what the Curry - Chandler tandem can produce from back in the day with Chicago! With Currym a legit center as a backup, this would help to keep the starting center healthier (whether it is Tyson or Dwight).

Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson -
Wilson Chandler has greatly improved this year and has taken steps towards becoming a very good defender (best shot blocker on the team this year) and has imroved his offense. He drives HARD to the rim and is still developing. He is ready, I feel, to start at the 3 spot.

Nate Robinson is a shooting guard and in the mold of Steph, can only create his own shot. What I Like about Nate is his energy and he, at time, can come in and change the pace of the game; especially when the Knicks are starting to get stagnet. Nate could be a backup to the 1 spot and play the 2 when instant offense is needed. His down side to this is doesn't seem to sustain those bursts so I feel is best role is as a backup 1 and spot player.

I think these players fit into Mike D's scheme and would be able to orchestrate the type of game Mike D wants from his team. THe all can play in a fast moving offense and players like Odom and Johnson, have the ability to keep the ball moving, that fluidity that is needed in this type of scheme.
I see people want Bosh, Amare, LaBron.... While they are all great players, I am not totally sure they can excel in the type of game that Mike D like to play. The Knicks made a investment in D?Antoni and what he wants to bring to NY, this is the future of the Knicks so why not bring in the players that can execute D?Antoni's scheme. If you start to bring in players just because they are good players but not neccassarily good for what D?Antoni is shaping here, than we are back to exactly what Isiah did for years.... building a roster of players and not a team. I say let's do it right this time and get what D?Antoni needs and then put it on his shoulders!!
 

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru
Forgot to add this

Here's how I would acquire the players:

Chandler - I would try to replicate the trade that was made that fell through. I would sign and trade Wilcox along with an expiring contract; I would throw in a draft pick as well.

Odom - Again, he is a free agent and the rumors around say he wants to leave LA. I would send Harrington's expiring contract along with another roster player, like Jeffries for him. Jeffries would be great in LA, they need a perimeter player/defender that won't steal time away from Kobe. Harrington brings allot of what Odom had but no as good a defender but better offensive player. Would add a pick if that got the deal done.

Johnson- Send Hughes expiring contract along with a sign and trade of David Lee. The Hawkes need a rebounder who can keep pace. I feel they are ready to part ways with Johnson and his contract is up after next season so Hughes contract doesn't add, it stays in line with Johnson's and Lee brings fron court help that they need. I think this move would help to put Atlanta over the edge!!
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
Here's how I would acquire the players:

Chandler - I would try to replicate the trade that was made that fell through. I would sign and trade Wilcox along with an expiring contract; I would throw in a draft pick as well.

Odom - Again, he is a free agent and the rumors around say he wants to leave LA. I would send Harrington's expiring contract along with another roster player, like Jeffries for him. Jeffries would be great in LA, they need a perimeter player/defender that won't steal time away from Kobe. Harrington brings allot of what Odom had but no as good a defender but better offensive player. Would add a pick if that got the deal done.

Johnson- Send Hughes expiring contract along with a sign and trade of David Lee. The Hawkes need a rebounder who can keep pace. I feel they are ready to part ways with Johnson and his contract is up after next season so Hughes contract doesn't add, it stays in line with Johnson's and Lee brings fron court help that they need. I think this move would help to put Atlanta over the edge!!


I'd never thought of Lee for Johnson!? That's a good point! If the Hawks hang on to Zaza that would round their 5 & 4 spots nicely and we would take on Johnson. Can't say I've ever been a big fan personally, but he's shown what he's capable of & that's a trailer load more than Larry Hughes.

I gotta say it again, if Bosh wants out and we can lock him up before anyone else.....blah blah ****ing blah. Especially over Odom. He'll chip in a double double here in NY but Bosh would do better & is money better spent, unless Odom will go cheaply and that's impossible. That's how I see it anyhoo.

Would you throw in this years draft pick with Wilcox for Chandler? If we don't trade N8 I guess that'd be cool...Sort of... I just have the Ty Lawson itch & N8 irritates me with his jestering.

If Rubio declares, I'd trade N8 and our current pick in a meat beat for a high % chance at acquiring him (considering Ty Lawson as a fitting 2nd option). He's already a better defender than N8 at 18 years old and his name is "Ricky Rubio" for heavens sake! What a ****ing winner!
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Oldtimer

Rotation player
2009 Trade Realities

The 2008-09 salary cap is $58.68M. The luxury tax threshold is just over $71M. The salary cap is a function of NBA league revenue. Given the economy over this season, the cap is hardly likely to increase for the 2009-10 season.

Our cap for 2009-10, even without new increased contracts for Nate and Lee, is currently over $74M. Most of the teams are well over the cap for 2009. Twenty teams have 2009 salaries in excess of $60M. Five more are quite close to the cap --Philadelphia is at $57M. Indiana is at $55M, but this includes $7,354,500 in a team option for Marquis Daniels. Minnesota is at $56M, the Clippers at $54M, and Portland at $53M.

The teams with real 2009 cap room are Detroit at $36M, Oklahoma at $41M, Memphis at $46M and Atlanta and Toronto, each at $47M.

The concept of packaging Curry with Lee or Nate would make sense, but for the fact that, with Curry's $10M plus for 2009 and $11M plus for 2010, and with long term contracts for Lee or Nate in a sign or trade a move would require about $20M in cap space for the acquiring team and/or our taking back expensive contracts. Since we want to maximize cap space for 2010, we would want to take back only 2009 contracts.

Tracy McGrady and Jermaine ONeil each has a $23M plus contract for 2009 and Shaq, $20M. Is Curry -- with Lee or Nate -- a likely home for any of those teams?

I think we are stuck with Curry at least well into the 2009-10 season. If he gets into shape and gets to show some of his low post offensive prowess, someone might well be willing at the trade deadline to take the balance of his 2009 contract and his 2010 contract with limited further concessions from us.

Curry should be motivated. I believe he had asked for an advance on next year's salary. That suggests he has not been particularly thrifty. If he does not show something next year, 2010 will be his last big contract year.

Note that at least three of the teams with cap room --Memphis, Oklahoma, and Toronto -- will have good draft picks. Minnesota and, I believe, Oklahoma, have multiple first round picks. We could perhaps package Lee or Nate and our draft pick to move up or get an additional draft pick. We might also sweeten such a deal by taking a bad 2009 contract back in addition.

Jefferies could perhaps be moved for a bad 2009 contract. For example, Dallas's Stackhouse. He has a 2009 contract for $7.25M, but he does not carry a 2010 contract which Jeffries does.

Although we have several expiring contracts, they are all substantial. Who wants Hughes at $13M plus or Q-Rich for $8M plus? Harrington at $10M is no bargain either.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
The 2008-09 salary cap is $58.68M. The luxury tax threshold is just over $71M. The salary cap is a function of NBA league revenue. Given the economy over this season, the cap is hardly likely to increase for the 2009-10 season.

Our cap for 2009-10, even without new increased contracts for Nate and Lee, is currently over $74M. Most of the teams are well over the cap for 2009. Twenty teams have 2009 salaries in excess of $60M. Five more are quite close to the cap --Philadelphia is at $57M. Indiana is at $55M, but this includes $7,354,500 in a team option for Marquis Daniels. Minnesota is at $56M, the Clippers at $54M, and Portland at $53M.

The teams with real 2009 cap room are Detroit at $36M, Oklahoma at $41M, Memphis at $46M and Atlanta and Toronto, each at $47M.

The concept of packaging Curry with Lee or Nate would make sense, but for the fact that, with Curry's $10M plus for 2009 and $11M plus for 2010, and with long term contracts for Lee or Nate in a sign or trade a move would require about $20M in cap space for the acquiring team and/or our taking back expensive contracts. Since we want to maximize cap space for 2010, we would want to take back only 2009 contracts.

Tracy McGrady and Jermaine ONeil each has a $23M plus contract for 2009 and Shaq, $20M. Is Curry -- with Lee or Nate -- a likely home for any of those teams?

I think we are stuck with Curry at least well into the 2009-10 season. If he gets into shape and gets to show some of his low post offensive prowess, someone might well be willing at the trade deadline to take the balance of his 2009 contract and his 2010 contract with limited further concessions from us.

Curry should be motivated. I believe he had asked for an advance on next year's salary. That suggests he has not been particularly thrifty. If he does not show something next year, 2010 will be his last big contract year.

Note that at least three of the teams with cap room --Memphis, Oklahoma, and Toronto -- will have good draft picks. Minnesota and, I believe, Oklahoma, have multiple first round picks. We could perhaps package Lee or Nate and our draft pick to move up or get an additional draft pick. We might also sweeten such a deal by taking a bad 2009 contract back in addition.

Jefferies could perhaps be moved for a bad 2009 contract. For example, Dallas's Stackhouse. He has a 2009 contract for $7.25M, but he does not carry a 2010 contract which Jeffries does.

Although we have several expiring contracts, they are all substantial. Who wants Hughes at $13M plus or Q-Rich for $8M plus? Harrington at $10M is no bargain either.

I didn't know the tax threshold was substantially more than the cap.

I'm glad that provides a little leeway. Do you think Dolan's overly concerned with being even up to $10m over the threshold? That's chump change to a grillionaire. I'm sure if he were convinced by those in the know, that if exceeding the threshold were beneficial for the sake of garnering a stud player, he'd do it. I would!

Curry is basically an impervious 400lb hemorrhoid . Never to be traded! Thanks again Isiah. Can't blame your daughter for that one.

Out of all the teams with real flexibility, I'd say either Detroit, Philly or Atlanta would be most likely to show interest in Lee. I think (& I hate to say it) that we'll really struggle to get any sort of good return for N8, even after a reasonably solid season.

The Wilcox trade is a good thought. There's been interest before from the Hornets & he'd be a great addition given he's in fighting form. We'd need some more help at the 2 spot to round it out if he were acquired.
 

hometheaterguy

Knicks Guru


I'd never thought of Lee for Johnson!? That's a good point! If the Hawks hang on to Zaza that would round their 5 & 4 spots nicely and we would take on Johnson. Can't say I've ever been a big fan personally, but he's shown what he's capable of & that's a trailer load more than Larry Hughes.

I gotta say it again, if Bosh wants out and we can lock him up before anyone else.....blah blah ****ing blah. Especially over Odom. He'll chip in a double double here in NY but Bosh would do better & is money better spent, unless Odom will go cheaply and that's impossible. That's how I see it anyhoo.

Would you throw in this years draft pick with Wilcox for Chandler? If we don't trade N8 I guess that'd be cool...Sort of... I just have the Ty Lawson itch & N8 irritates me with his jestering.

If Rubio declares, I'd trade N8 and our current pick in a meat beat for a high % chance at acquiring him (considering Ty Lawson as a fitting 2nd option). He's already a better defender than N8 at 18 years old and his name is "Ricky Rubio" for heavens sake! What a ****ing winner!
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The problem with Rubio is that he is an unproven NBA guard. I've seen this happen so many times with guys that dominated in College just to fail in the NBA or be below average. The 2 games don't necessarily translate!

As far as Bosh is concerned, I agree that he is extremely talented but I am not sure if he would excel in D?Antoni's system. D?Antoni's game doen't focus on one player but is a moving offense. There is constant ball movement and he requires that his forwards and guards be able to pass the ball and have sort of a point guard mentallity. Look at Marion since he has moved on to different teams. His success was due to D?Antoni and his system. So I guess my point is if D?Antoni is the coach that is here to stay, then why not get him the pieces that will work and not try to put a "square peg in a round hole".
Like I said in my other post, if we get players just because they are talented then we are back to what Isiah did and we will have the same outcome.
I'm not say that Bosh wouldn't work well in the system, just that I haven't seen him in that type of offense except in the Olympics and it seemed that he struggled with it, as well as LaBron and Kobe; whereas Carmelo was extremly successful! See what I mean?!?!
 

LJ4ptplay

Starter
The problem with Rubio is that he is an unproven NBA guard. I've seen this happen so many times with guys that dominated in College just to fail in the NBA or be below average. The 2 games don't necessarily translate!

As far as Bosh is concerned, I agree that he is extremely talented but I am not sure if he would excel in D?Antoni's system. D?Antoni's game doen't focus on one player but is a moving offense. There is constant ball movement and he requires that his forwards and guards be able to pass the ball and have sort of a point guard mentallity. Look at Marion since he has moved on to different teams. His success was due to D?Antoni and his system. So I guess my point is if D?Antoni is the coach that is here to stay, then why not get him the pieces that will work and not try to put a "square peg in a round hole".
Like I said in my other post, if we get players just because they are talented then we are back to what Isiah did and we will have the same outcome.
I'm not say that Bosh wouldn't work well in the system, just that I haven't seen him in that type of offense except in the Olympics and it seemed that he struggled with it, as well as LaBron and Kobe; whereas Carmelo was extremly successful! See what I mean?!?!

First of all, Rubio does not play college ball. He's been playing professional basketball since he was 14 years old. He's an amazing talent with an exceptional basketball IQ. And he's only 18! He's the ideal PG for D'Antoni's system. The ideal situation would be to also get Nash as his mentor.

Second, you are comparing Bosh to Marion, which is incorrect. If you are comparing D'Antoni's Phoenix players to our possible 2010 lineup with Bosh, then Bosh should be compared to Amare. If D'Antoni plans on reproducing a similar lineup in NY, Bosh would most likely play Center.
 

New New York

Quiet Storm
Ok so lets build this one from ground up

We need a PG who can run Dantoni's offense. And the best player who we could realistically get is Kirk Hinrich http://hoopshype.com/players/kirk_hinrich.htm

PG: So we trade Q Rich's expiring contract for him straight up, The Bulls get cap help, we get a legit PG. Bulls in essence part with Hinrich for the flexability to go after a big name in 2010, namely D-Wade to pair with Derrick Rose in the backcourt.

I'll skip the SG and move to SF.

SF: We package Wilson Chandler and Larry Hughes to Detroit for Prince Kwame Brown (can be released right after he just makes the numbers work). Detroit is going into rebuilding mode, they are not a championship contender anymore and Prince represents 11 million in cap in 2010, Wilson is much cheaper ofcourse. They will have some serious cap room in 2010 (even more after this deal) to peice together a team. A nice young core of Stuckey,Chandler (home town kid), and Maxiel gives them some hope for the future, plus like 50 million in cap in 2010 to resign Hamilton and add a player like Amare and another good player. Prince is older, but is an upgrade over Wilson.

PF: We make our pick in this year's draft for with the intentions of trading it. We make the pick that Utah wants us to make and on July 1st we do a sign and trade with David Lee and this year's pick for Boozer (also a sign and trade). Boozer is a better offensive player who would do better in this system than Lee not as good a rebounder as Lee, but a better shooter and just overall better scorer. Lee and the lottery player is an even swap for Utah, Milsap and Lee make for a nice frontcourt, and if draft Jeff Teague or Gerald Henderson for Utah then there backcourt is pretty good as well.

Center: We trade Al Harrington and a 2012 pick for Tyson Chandler. This actually more than what NO was going to get for him from OKC at the trade deadline. We all want Camby, I think in this trade we get the Camby that played for us in 1999! We could potentially sweeten the deal by adding Duhon to package on our end for Mo Pete or James Posey for further cap help to NO.

Now we go in for the kill....

SG: We sign AI for a three year MLE with a team option the second year(in case he gets banged up again). If he gets hurt then we still have Nate to play the SG. AI should explode under Dantoni, he is Crawford with a basketball IQ, and would probably put up 23+

so how do we look

Hinrich
AI
Prince
Boozer
Chanler (Tyson)

Bench
Duhon (nice backup)
Nate (insurance if AI cant go or acts up)
Danillo
Jefferies
Curry (trade bait during the 2010-2011 trade deadline, until then he plays the role Jerome James had been the past three seasons)

Inside-Outside scoring, a much much better defensive club. One former NBA Champion, Two players who have gotten to the finals, one former league MVP, Three All Stars; point being we have a core of players who know how to win in the league not perineil losers. This would be the best team we have seen since Pat left and for sure is a top 3 or 4 team in The East with a chance to get better each season they play together.

The only weakness is FT shooting on our froncourt and ofcourse inexpierience in playing together so not an instant contender, but, a relevant team once again who again will improve as they play more together.
 

TunerAddict

Starter
Ok so lets build this one from ground up

We need a PG who can run Dantoni's offense. And the best player who we could realistically get is Kirk Hinrich http://hoopshype.com/players/kirk_hinrich.htm

PG: So we trade Q Rich's expiring contract for him straight up, The Bulls get cap help, we get a legit PG. Bulls in essence part with Hinrich for the flexability to go after a big name in 2010, namely D-Wade to pair with Derrick Rose in the backcourt.

I'll skip the SG and move to SF.

SF: We package Wilson Chandler and Larry Hughes to Detroit for Prince Kwame Brown (can be released right after he just makes the numbers work). Detroit is going into rebuilding mode, they are not a championship contender anymore and Prince represents 11 million in cap in 2010, Wilson is much cheaper ofcourse. They will have some serious cap room in 2010 (even more after this deal) to peice together a team. A nice young core of Stuckey,Chandler (home town kid), and Maxiel gives them some hope for the future, plus like 50 million in cap in 2010 to resign Hamilton and add a player like Amare and another good player. Prince is older, but is an upgrade over Wilson.

PF: We make our pick in this year's draft for with the intentions of trading it. We make the pick that Utah wants us to make and on July 1st we do a sign and trade with David Lee and this year's pick for Boozer (also a sign and trade). Boozer is a better offensive player who would do better in this system than Lee not as good a rebounder as Lee, but a better shooter and just overall better scorer. Lee and the lottery player is an even swap for Utah, Milsap and Lee make for a nice frontcourt, and if draft Jeff Teague or Gerald Henderson for Utah then there backcourt is pretty good as well.

Center: We trade Al Harrington and a 2012 pick for Tyson Chandler. This actually more than what NO was going to get for him from OKC at the trade deadline. We all want Camby, I think in this trade we get the Camby that played for us in 1999! We could potentially sweeten the deal by adding Duhon to package on our end for Mo Pete or James Posey for further cap help to NO.

Now we go in for the kill....

SG: We sign AI for a three year MLE with a team option the second year(in case he gets banged up again). If he gets hurt then we still have Nate to play the SG. AI should explode under Dantoni, he is Crawford with a basketball IQ, and would probably put up 23+

so how do we look

Hinrich
AI
Prince
Boozer
Chanler (Tyson)

Bench
Duhon (nice backup)
Nate (insurance if AI cant go or acts up)
Danillo
Jefferies
Curry (trade bait during the 2010-2011 trade deadline, until then he plays the role Jerome James had been the past three seasons)

Inside-Outside scoring, a much much better defensive club. One former NBA Champion, Two players who have gotten to the finals, one former league MVP, Three All Stars; point being we have a core of players who know how to win in the league not perineil losers. This would be the best team we have seen since Pat left and for sure is a top 3 or 4 team in The East with a chance to get better each season they play together.

The only weakness is FT shooting on our froncourt and ofcourse inexpierience in playing together so not an instant contender, but, a relevant team once again who again will improve as they play more together.

That is a complete overhaul, and I really doubt that its possible...Plus it would most likely hurt our cap in the long run when we are resigning Boozer, Hinrich, and Prince, pretty much eliminating the fight for LeBron/Wade/etc...
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
Ok so lets build this one from ground up

We need a PG who can run Dantoni's offense. And the best player who we could realistically get is Kirk Hinrich http://hoopshype.com/players/kirk_hinrich.htm

PG: So we trade Q Rich's expiring contract for him straight up, The Bulls get cap help, we get a legit PG. Bulls in essence part with Hinrich for the flexability to go after a big name in 2010, namely D-Wade to pair with Derrick Rose in the backcourt.

I'll skip the SG and move to SF.

SF: We package Wilson Chandler and Larry Hughes to Detroit for Prince Kwame Brown (can be released right after he just makes the numbers work). Detroit is going into rebuilding mode, they are not a championship contender anymore and Prince represents 11 million in cap in 2010, Wilson is much cheaper ofcourse. They will have some serious cap room in 2010 (even more after this deal) to peice together a team. A nice young core of Stuckey,Chandler (home town kid), and Maxiel gives them some hope for the future, plus like 50 million in cap in 2010 to resign Hamilton and add a player like Amare and another good player. Prince is older, but is an upgrade over Wilson.

PF: We make our pick in this year's draft for with the intentions of trading it. We make the pick that Utah wants us to make and on July 1st we do a sign and trade with David Lee and this year's pick for Boozer (also a sign and trade). Boozer is a better offensive player who would do better in this system than Lee not as good a rebounder as Lee, but a better shooter and just overall better scorer. Lee and the lottery player is an even swap for Utah, Milsap and Lee make for a nice frontcourt, and if draft Jeff Teague or Gerald Henderson for Utah then there backcourt is pretty good as well.

Center: We trade Al Harrington and a 2012 pick for Tyson Chandler. This actually more than what NO was going to get for him from OKC at the trade deadline. We all want Camby, I think in this trade we get the Camby that played for us in 1999! We could potentially sweeten the deal by adding Duhon to package on our end for Mo Pete or James Posey for further cap help to NO.

Now we go in for the kill....

SG: We sign AI for a three year MLE with a team option the second year(in case he gets banged up again). If he gets hurt then we still have Nate to play the SG. AI should explode under Dantoni, he is Crawford with a basketball IQ, and would probably put up 23+

so how do we look

Hinrich
AI
Prince
Boozer
Chanler (Tyson)

Bench
Duhon (nice backup)
Nate (insurance if AI cant go or acts up)
Danillo
Jefferies
Curry (trade bait during the 2010-2011 trade deadline, until then he plays the role Jerome James had been the past three seasons)

Inside-Outside scoring, a much much better defensive club. One former NBA Champion, Two players who have gotten to the finals, one former league MVP, Three All Stars; point being we have a core of players who know how to win in the league not perineil losers. This would be the best team we have seen since Pat left and for sure is a top 3 or 4 team in The East with a chance to get better each season they play together.

The only weakness is FT shooting on our froncourt and ofcourse inexpierience in playing together so not an instant contender, but, a relevant team once again who again will improve as they play more together.
It's a massive upgrade I'll pay that. It's not necessary for you to do so, but if you can nut out the salary it'd take to pay all those players approximately, I'd love to know.

I'd thought of Hinrich. He's a solid point man and has definitely returned to form. Prince as well, brings a lot of D & a stone cold approach. AI is a gamble. Boozer....? Not sure about this guy. I know for a fact he's no passer and that's pretty crucial... Can't say I'd be down with him as a Knicker.

Tyson Chandler is another gamble. OKC said no, and they could use him even as much as we could. What was it? A ****ed toe?

Not trying to be a cock, but I think I'd only really want Hinrich out of the lot of them. Wickedly well thought through though. Good stuff.

And again, 2010 is Donnie's big plan. we need as much ca$h as we can spare, and that line-up is looking very hexy.
 
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