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    Originally Posted by Knicker23
    people need to stop talking bout Rubio...we ain't getting him..unless Donnie magically finds a way to trade people other then Gallo, Chandler, and likely Dlee / Nate for him, then we aren't getting him...move on..

    As for LeBron..yea i've been saying that for a while now, best scenario for us would be if LeBron wins it this yr (or next), as he'd feel okay leaving his home town having put a banner up.
    Stop...We don't have the 8th pick officially, you never know where we'll end up...you dont know what your talking about...anything can happend from now to July...so keep your false predictions in the closet till the lottery is SET.

    People say

    I don't think Chandler should be traded for Rubio.

    But don't say nothing else.

    Drop the love for Chandler, he's really averaged, not elite at anything.

    Rubio is a world class talent...you don't pass up a player like him.

    This reminds me when people were skeptic about trading Lee for the 5th pick.

    You think we're going to go far being led by Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson as primary scoring options?

    Both of these guys shoot low percentage and really average players, C level players. They're not SPECIAL, they're good talents, average NBA players.

    Theres a reason why we're not in the playoffs, we're a team lead by Robinson, Chandler, and Harrington....really really average players.

    Its time to stop being so average and get an elite talent on this roster.

    The best talent Knicks have had since Sprewell/Camby was Marbury, and management has misused him to the max.

    Ever since that, we've been a roster of AVERAGE to below average players.

    Which obviously leads to a lack of competitiveness.

    Upside doesn't mean ****.

    Rubio > Wall.

    Rubio is proven.

    Against the highest level of competition outside the league.

    Rubio made his impact known in the Olympics coming off the bench for Spain as a defensive specialist.

    He's the best player in the Euroleague...who is John Wall?

    Some kid with no jumpshot and dunks on teenagers in a low level competition league?

    Dude has no experience and has never been a professional in his entire life.

    Rubio has been PRO since 14. A very productive pro too, people were on his dick when he started making noise at 14, which is insane.


    You guys talk about risky, taking unproven raw guys like Wall and Jennings is a RISK.

    Guys like Lawson, Flynn, and Rubio are PROVEN....I want those point guards, not this raw ass guys.

    Settle for the best.

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    Having Rubio and Lebron on the same team would be awesome, the most assist, the better.

    Rubio is the best defensive PG in this draft...we would automatically be a top 5 defensive team with Rubio and Lebron patrolling the perimeter.

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    My point was that we shouldn't base our draft decisions on Lebron, just because he might come here. That's retarded. You draft the best player available.

    Besides, you talk as if Lebron can only play the point. His finishing and scoring are his greatest strengths. Giving Lebron another ballhandler alllows him to play to his strengths. It doesn't make sense to have a scorer like Lebron to be your PG. Why do you think the Cavs have been so successful since Mo Williams came to the Cavs?
    I couldn't have said it better myself.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Stop...We don't have the 8th pick officially, you never know where we'll end up...you dont know what your talking about...anything can happend from now to July...so keep your false predictions in the closet till the lottery is SET.

    People say

    I don't think Chandler should be traded for Rubio.

    But don't say nothing else.

    Drop the love for Chandler, he's really averaged, not elite at anything.

    Rubio is a world class talent...you don't pass up a player like him.

    This reminds me when people were skeptic about trading Lee for the 5th pick.

    You think we're going to go far being led by Wilson Chandler and Nate Robinson as primary scoring options?

    Both of these guys shoot low percentage and really average players, C level players. They're not SPECIAL, they're good talents, average NBA players.

    Theres a reason why we're not in the playoffs, we're a team lead by Robinson, Chandler, and Harrington....really really average players.

    Its time to stop being so average and get an elite talent on this roster.

    The best talent Knicks have had since Sprewell/Camby was Marbury, and management has misused him to the max.

    Ever since that, we've been a roster of AVERAGE to below average players.

    Which obviously leads to a lack of competitiveness.

    Upside doesn't mean ****.

    Rubio > Wall.

    Rubio is proven.

    Against the highest level of competition outside the league.

    Rubio made his impact known in the Olympics coming off the bench for Spain as a defensive specialist.

    He's the best player in the Euroleague...who is John Wall?

    Some kid with no jumpshot and dunks on teenagers in a low level competition league?

    Dude has no experience and has never been a professional in his entire life.

    Rubio has been PRO since 14. A very productive pro too, people were on his dick when he started making noise at 14, which is insane.


    You guys talk about risky, taking unproven raw guys like Wall and Jennings is a RISK.

    Guys like Lawson, Flynn, and Rubio are PROVEN....I want those point guards, not this raw ass guys.

    Settle for the best.
    Agreed.

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    Thumbs down Clean your bong.

    at 8 boards a game, keeping Lebron on the perimeter as a defender is not a bright move. Passing's his best facet, but being the main distributor isn't gonna work.

    He'll have the ball enough as it is and is better on the wing than in the middle (without the ball) on a break. In a high pace offense he'd be better to receive a pass in a 7 second system than just dribble for 6 and jack a shot.

    As is now with the Cavs, a shooting point man is our best call. If Lebron were to come here, having a good passing/shooting pg, Gallo at the 3 or 2 and or Lebron at the 3 or 2 would give you passing class throughout the back-court and around the perimeter.

    Lebron at the 1 is possible, but at 250-260lbs he should be breaking ribs in the lane and bowling over screens on set plays along the baseline more than fairying about with a sub 200lb point guard on defense.

    Don't even bother bringing Magic Johnson in as a retort. That's old news.

    Lebron at the point is a very questionable call & as to whether he plays for us or not? I'll go with a 30% - 70% chance.

    Draft a good point guard while you have the chance Donnie.

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    My point was that we shouldn't base our draft decisions on Lebron, just because he might come here. That's retarded. You draft the best player available.

    Besides, you talk as if Lebron can only play the point. His finishing and scoring are his greatest strengths. Giving Lebron another ballhandler alllows him to play to his strengths. It doesn't make sense to have a scorer like Lebron to be your PG. Why do you think the Cavs have been so successful since Mo Williams came to the Cavs?
    What he said

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    clean my bong? nah, i don't smoke.i'd actually like to reproduce someday.

    lol at the love of mediocrity on this board, these are the same jerkoffs who where jizzing in their spiderman underwear for ty lawson when unc won the ncaa title.these are the same people who always complain about the guys this team passed on.like not doing enough for mayo.no, upside doesn't mean ****.
    the **** outta here.

    if lebron does come here, where the **** is he gonna play if you have gallo and chandler? his handle is better than both.HIS VISION, IS BETTER THAN BOTH. but alas, agree with each other all you want.you dudes are all repressed and depressed.and every year is the same ****.
    some of you actually defended isaish thompson.
    oh boy.....
    LEBRON WOULD EASILY AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE IN THIS SYSTEM, EASILY.

    continue.....................

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    What if Bron doesnt come here next year? and we traded our pick for Rudy as you suggested earlier, we are pretty much screwed. I think that was his point.

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    Originally Posted by ANU
    and if he doesn't come we can always draft or sign someone.D'antoni made nash an mvp.he made bumass duhon decent for as long as he could, and he's at best a back up.
    Originally Posted by Supermansdaddy
    What if Bron doesnt come here next year? and we traded our pick for Rudy as you suggested earlier, we are pretty much screwed. I think that was his point.
    READING IS FUNDAMENTAL.........PLENTY OF POINT GUARDS WILL BE OUT THERE.

    say they draft flynn
    shooting guard is a ?
    chandler is at three
    and gallinari is at 4
    and center is ?

    one of this teams problems is lack of interior defense.
    what will they do?

    this is a point guard draft.if you're going to draft one, you shouldn't draft one in the lottery.
    i say don't draft it with our pick(8).
    its baffling how i have to explain every single detail to most of you.
    i mean aren't most of you all knowing, all seeing?
    Last edited by ANU; Apr 22, 2009 at 10:48.

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    smh at trading chandler + 8th pick for rubio.
    as if this team doesn't have enough holes.
    a could be very good player plus a ? for a ?.

    SMH.............

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    Originally Posted by ANU
    clean my bong? nah, i don't smoke.i'd actually like to reproduce someday.

    lol at the love of mediocrity on this board, these are the same jerkoffs who where jizzing in their spiderman underwear for ty lawson when unc won the ncaa title.these are the same people who always complain about the guys this team passed on.like not doing enough for mayo.no, upside doesn't mean ****.
    the **** outta here.

    if lebron does come here, where the **** is he gonna play if you have gallo and chandler? his handle is better than both.HIS VISION, IS BETTER THAN BOTH. but alas, agree with each other all you want.you dudes are all repressed and depressed.and every year is the same ****.
    some of you actually defended isaish thompson.
    oh boy.....
    LEBRON WOULD EASILY AVERAGE A TRIPLE DOUBLE IN THIS SYSTEM, EASILY.

    continue.....................
    All you do is mention upside, and refuse to acknowledge the downsides, flaming guys that posted here for years when you joined a month ago.

    Why would you not draft a potential allstar PG on some prayer that we are gonna get Lebron in a years time? That's just retarded thinking, you draft the best player you can at the spots you need, if there's a serious option of getting Lebron closer to 2010 then you can trade your pick, or other assets, to fill the space you need.

    Lebron doesn't have to play the 1 spot to play point, he can bring the ball up from any position. His assists come a lot more from drawing double teams than from him being a natural playmaker.

    The only advantage I see is having him guarding a smaller guy on defense, which is not even really an advantage, since he's gonna be running around a lot more on D and wearing himself down to keep up with these little speedy PGs.

    What you say makes no sense... Let's NOT draft an amazing PG because MAYBE in 1 year we can get LBJ and MAYBE put him at the PG spot because of one or two negligible upsides.

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    Originally Posted by smokes
    All you do is mention upside, and refuse to acknowledge the downsides, flaming guys that posted here for years when you joined a month ago.

    Why would you not draft a potential allstar PG on some prayer that we are gonna get Lebron in a years time? That's just retarded thinking, you draft the best player you can at the spots you need, if there's a serious option of getting Lebron closer to 2010 then you can trade your pick, or other assets, to fill the space you need.

    Lebron doesn't have to play the 1 spot to play point, he can bring the ball up from any position. His assists come a lot more from drawing double teams than from him being a natural playmaker.

    The only advantage I see is having him guarding a smaller guy on defense, which is not even really an advantage, since he's gonna be running around a lot more on D and wearing himself down to keep up with these little speedy PGs.

    What you say makes no sense... Let's NOT draft an amazing PG because MAYBE in 1 year we can get LBJ and MAYBE put him at the PG spot because of one or two negligible upsides.
    I'm flaming guys that act like they know it all, all im doing is bringing in a new idea, and these clits want to talk about it like its blasphemy.why the **** should i budge?
    it's a forum.people disagree.others are arrogant.i say **** em.I'm arguing with more than one person.

    i didn't join a month ago.

    i just hardly posted before.and so what? what the ****? i need to build immunity by giving e-tug jobs to other posters in order to be able to say the things i believe in?
    did i say anything to you? mind your business mall cop.

    and all i do is mention upside? i mentioned it once, again, this board loves mediocrity.their will be plenty of point guards out there available.
    all of you need to stop acting like we're getting the 2. we have the 8th.
    what AMAZING POINT IS THEIR AT 8?
    EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE IS A DOWNSIDE TO PLAYERS.WHAT THE HELL DO I NEED TO MENTION IT FOR, DOES RUBIO NOT HAVE A DOWNSIDE?

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    you posters are so average it ain't even funny.**** you and **** the status quo.

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    Originally Posted by ANU
    I'm flaming guys that act like they know it allall im doing is bringing in a new idea, and these clits when to talk about it like its blasphemy.why the **** should i budge?
    it's a forum.people disagree.others are arrogant.i say **** em.I'm arguing with more than one person.

    i didn't join a month ago.

    i just hardly posted before.and so what? what the ****? i need to build immunity by giving e-tug jobs to other posters in order to be able to say the things i believe in?
    did i say anything to you? mind your business mall cop.

    and all i do is mention upside? i mentioned it once, again, this board loves mediocrity.their will be plenty of point guards out there available.
    all of you need to stop acting like we're getting the 2. we have the 8th.
    what AMAZING POINT IS THEIR AT 8?
    EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE IS A DOWNSIDE TO PLAYERS.WHAT THE HELL DO I NEED TO MENTION IT FOR, DOES RUBIO NOT HAVE A DOWNSIDE?
    Oh yea, March 2008, I read 2009... Sue me. Maybe if you typed in legible sentences my eyes wouldn't be so fried from reading your whack posts. You didn't say **** to me, but I'm not allowed to respond? Like you said, it's a forum buddy.

    So tell us Mr "everyone-else-is-a-know-it-all-when-I-act-like-one", what incredible hole are we gonna fill with our 8th pick? You go back and forth, saying Chandler at the 2, then Chandler at the 3. We don't need a 2 in the draft, we are stocked on SF's and potential SG's, there's barely a quality defensive big in the draft, let alone projected in the lottery.

    What new idea did you bring? LBJ playing the point? Hate to break it to you buddy, but every potential Lebron scenario has been discussed to death here when you were hardly posting. Ain't nothing new that you're suggesting.

    So please, what is your amazing idea of who we should draft at number 8 and why?

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    Originally Posted by ANU
    jesus.

    when people who actually know about basketball compare lebron, they compare him to magic( a 6-9 pg) and to Oscar Robertson(a 6-5 pg).just because the guy is a 6-9 mack truck does not mean all he is capable of doing is sf things.he is a point forward.you have a problem with lebron running the point because TECHNICALLY he's a sf, but you call rubio a surefire superstar.smh.

    lebron is a facilitator.just look at his team.clearly, they have two or three could be or would be all stars.like l.a. or boston. again, smh.

    28 PPG 7 REB 7 AST.

    as usual, **** needs to be explained to the know it alls on this site time and time again.
    No it dont. The Knicks are a...ssed-out with a losing 20 year President and a one dimensional coach. Look at our ex-G.M. President Ernie Grundfeld on the Washington Wizards with his 19 win season and all the posibilities he have this offseason into making the Wizards reach the Eastern Conference Finals in the 2009-10 season.

    ANU....do u know anything about "Jordans" 6 NBA championships? and who was the PG of each of those championship rings?
    Jordan & Pippin was the best tandem of Point-Fowards ever in the history of the NBA. And having combo-guards Hodges & Paxon their first 3 championship and combo-guards Steve Kerr & Ron Harper in the next 3 championships was hard to figure out who really was the PG on the Bulls team in each series of the playoffs....the Phil Jackson Triangle vs varies of oponents in series changed in different rounds of the playoffs.

    Lebron James has the closet thing to Jordan with combo-guards West & Mo in his rotation this season....signing FA Point-Foward Artest this offseason will guarantee Lebron James a 2009-10 Championship Ring.

    Lebron could make Billions hooking up with D.Wade in Miami or Rookie D.Rose in Chicago...

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