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    An NBA executive said Knicks president Donnie Walsh is trying to work out a sign-and-trade for forward-center David Lee in a cost-cutting move.

    S&T

    David Lee for

    Raja Bell
    Vladimor Radmonvic
    Alexis Ajinca
    2nd rounder

    Bobcats
    PG - Augustin/Felton
    SG - Richardson/Henderson(#12 pick)
    SF - Wallace/Diaw
    PF - Lee/May
    C - Okafor/Diop/Nazr

    Get Ricky Rubio by

    Kenny Thomas
    Garcia
    #4

    for

    Chandler
    Duhon
    Jefferies
    #8


    Knicks
    PG - Rubio/Robinson
    SG - Garcia/Bell/Hughes
    SF - Gallinari/Richardson
    PF - Harrington/Radmonvic/2nd round big man?
    C - Wilcox/Ajinca/Sene

    Bold - starters
    Italic - 6th men

    at the lunch table - Curry

    Kings
    PG - Duhon/Jennings or Holiday #8 pick
    SG - Martin/Udrih
    SF - Nicioni/Chandler/Greene
    PF - Thompson/Jefferies
    C - Hawes/drafted big man with the other 1st round pick.


    Bang bang.

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    askin to be a team in last in rebounds and blocks...donnie, just tell us to start watchin in 2010

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    askin to be a team in last in rebounds and blocks...donnie, just tell us to start watchin in 2010
    Trade Wilcox/Harrington for reboundin/shot blocker.

    Why are you so negative on me, but so postive with Isiah?

    BIAS!!!

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    the kings trade was nice, but i doubt the kings wud take jeffries contract AND give up a chance to draft rubio. they arent that high on chandler or duhon. the kings want rubio pretty bad themselves(well they should with beno udsuck as their pg), so we'd have to maybe give them an expiring contract, and then chandler and duhon, maybe more, and then our draft pick.

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    Originally Posted by dpryde
    the kings trade was nice, but i doubt the kings wud take jeffries contract AND give up a chance to draft rubio. they arent that high on chandler or duhon. the kings want rubio pretty bad themselves(well they should with beno udsuck as their pg), so we'd have to maybe give them an expiring contract, and then chandler and duhon, maybe more, and then our draft pick.
    I would cry if Kings get Rubio.

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    Why the hell should we trade Chandler?
    He's one of the best we have right now and has a lot of potential.
    Garcia and Thomas? No, thanks!
    metrocard do you have any fetish for spanish/latin players? It seems so...

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    Originally Posted by Ewing
    Why the hell should we trade Chandler?
    He's one of the best we have right now and has a lot of potential.
    Garcia and Thomas? No, thanks!
    metrocard do you have any fetish for spanish/latin players? It seems so...
    Chandler's potential is really overrated; he doesn't play hard and isn't great at anything except dunking the ball.
    Garcia is better than him (Man to man defense, shot blocker, shooting, passing, IQ)
    No fetish, I have a fetish for talent and players who could help use win, not players who play with depression and down syndrome like Chandler.
    Do you have a fetish for false promise, potential and hype?
    Seems like it...

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Chandler's potential is really overrated; he doesn't play hard and isn't great at anything except dunking the ball.
    Garcia is better than him (Man to man defense, shot blocker, shooting, passing, IQ)
    No fetish, I have a fetish for talent and players who could help use win, not players who play with depression and down syndrome like Chandler.
    Do you have a fetish for false promise, potential and hype?
    Seems like it...
    Garcia better shot blocker? I don't see that in his stats.
    Passing? That's not what stats say...
    Rebounding? Check the stats!

    It's obvious that Chandler is a much better player than Garcia, and remember, he's only 22.
    How can you tell me that I have a fetish for false promise guys if I'm talking about just one?
    You're always praising latin players, Rubio, Garcia, Rodriguez, Fernandez etc... now that's a fetish.

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    we need fernandez.**** all that other ****.

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    Garcia: 824-pts, 218-rbs, 150-ast, 80-stl, 67-blk, .398%-3pt, .820%-ft
    vs.
    Chandler: 1184-pts, 445-rbs, 170-ast, 71-stl, 75-blk, .328%-3pt, .795%-ft

    I hope we keep Chandler. Garcia may be a better shooter, but Chandler is a better overall player. Last year can basically be considered Chandler's 1st year, since he received virtually no playing time under Isaiah. If you compare Chandler's numbers last year next to some of top SG's (minus Kobe / Wade), his numbers aren't too far off. Chandler has good potential. He just needs to keep working on his game, develop his shot and handling more. He lacks the killer instinct, the "i'm going to the hole and ain't no one stopping me" mentality. Chandler has the tools and hopefully D'Antoni can bring the best out of him.

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    Originally Posted by Ewing
    Garcia better shot blocker? I don't see that in his stats.
    Passing? That's not what stats say...
    Rebounding? Check the stats!

    It's obvious that Chandler is a much better player than Garcia, and remember, he's only 22.
    How can you tell me that I have a fetish for false promise guys if I'm talking about just one?
    You're always praising latin players, Rubio, Garcia, Rodriguez, Fernandez etc... now that's a fetish.
    I never said Garcia was a better rebounder, where did you get that from?
    Chandler isn't a great rebounder either, only averages 6 rebounds per 36 minutes. Garcia is a barely 190 lbs and still manages to get 4.5-5 rebounds per game.

    Wilson Chandler is a better passer than a point foward...a SG who can handle the rock and dribble the ball up the court.
    You serious here?

    Well, Garcia is a better shot blocker, despite having less hops.

    Check this.

    Career per 36 minute
    Garcia: 1.1 blocks
    Chandler: 1.0 blocks

    .1 isn't a lot, but its still better...especially consider Garcia isn't a great athlete like Chandler...Chandler really is an underachiever at all aspects of the game. Garcia isn't a big assist guy, but he's definitely a superior ball handler/passer.

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    Garcia is a superior shooter

    FG: 44%
    3pt: 37%
    FT: 80%

    Chandler

    FG: 43%
    3pt: 32%
    FT: 76%

    Obviously.

    Chandler disappoints in FG. He's a big wing player and should be shooting atleast 45-47%.

    Garcia hangs around the perimeter and still manages to shoot at a better rate.


    Garcia is also more efficient and doesn't need a lot of shot attempts to score.

    Garcia takes

    11 FGAttempts per 36 minutes
    on 14-15 points per 36

    Chandler takes
    14 FGAttempts per 36 minutes
    on 15 points per 36.


    Who goes to the free throw more? The skinny Garcia.
    3.2 FT for Garcia
    2.8 FTA for Chandler

    Conclusion?

    Chandler is soft.
    He doesn't go to the free throw line enough...at a very low rate...he needs a high volume of shots to score a low volume of points, he should be rebounding and block shots more, but doesn't, and he shoots a very low FG% for a 6"8 SF.

    You can't teach toughness or aggression, its how you play, and Chandler plays the game very soft, almost Tim Thomas soft.

    Chandler actually reminds me of mini Tim Thomas, without the range.

    Why take Garcia?

    He's a legit SG with range. Chandler is wasting Gallinari progression and minutes.


    A lot of Knick fans wouldn't mind having Rubio, Garcia, and Fernandez on this team.

    Where did I say I was a fan of Rodriguez? He's a decent prospect, he's in no way in position to be a NBA starter. He may be a Knick this season, so why can't I root for him?

    Conclusion of this, you're an idiot for jumping to conclusion.
    I could give a f*ck less about Spain and their country men, I just look for the best available talent for the Knicks, and Spain happens to provide it.

    I must have a fetish for New York ballers like Odom, Artest, Telfair, Alston, Marbury, Garcia too.
    You're being made ignorant too by placing a NYC-Dominican with a bunch of Euro-Spaniards. I guess anyone who speaks Spanish has to be the same to your racistass. This site is being watered down with closet racist.

    You're just being ignorant and holding on to a conclusion that has no base.


    hoop115, can anyone take that post seriously when you put Chandler in the same sentence as Kobe/Wade?

    Not every young player has potential that will be tapped.
    Most slightly improve, but stay the same player.
    Some add range like Ariza, others don't.
    Not everyone is the same.
    and because Chandler is 22 doesn't mean he will be the next Wade or Kobe.
    Lets be realistic.
    Look into the individual, not the age.
    Chandler is a soft guy, and a late first round talent.
    Theres a reason why he was picked at the early 20's, and some people thought it was too high for him.
    He never was that good.
    and from my research, he will never be that good.
    Trade him now before his stock falls.
    I said the same thing about Eddy Curry, and no one listen to me.
    Now we can't trade Curry at all.

    Some Knick fans are too attached to youth since the 90's was loaded with veterans on the roster.

    Knicks need the RIGHT youth, not "ANY" youth.

    That what Isiah was doing...keeping us below average or medicore.

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    Firstly why are we nitpicking at miniscule stats 1 or 2 percentages higher to prove a point? If you think Chandler is "soft" that's cool but upon further examination Metro your arguement is exagerated at best. After all he can't be that bad if he has what you state "Great athletic ability". As previously stated above Check the Stats! But to put things into proper perspective (I love/hate when people use stats to prove points out of context) you should be comparing their stats THROUGH THE SAME AMOUNT OF GAMES i.e. 1.5 seasons worth to be fair. Secondly, Chandler is not only more athletic, young and more versitile, he's unselfish, plays D and is commited to improvement. He's a keeper imo and like I've said before It's been so long since the Knicks have had talent, you probably forgot what it looked like. BTW it didn't take a genious to figure out the Isaiah didn't know how to coach... hello.

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    Stats: Chandler ppg 14.4- rpg 5.4- apg 2.1 Garcia ppg 12.7- rpg 3.4- apg 2.3.... **** the stats, N!gga check the highlight reels!! Chandler isn't going anywhere, he is one of a few bright spots on this team!

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    ^
    This user is on your Ignore List.

    Anyway, I wanna continue on Garcia. He along with Artest are my favorite players in the NBA, I love tough defensive NYC ballers with mad pride. He still remains the man and a better fit for this system. Chandler is kinda uncoachable since he's such a ***** on the court. 5"9 Nate has more balls than him. Chandler looks like he's afraid of contact.

    a 6"7 190 lb Garcia drives to the basket at a higher rate than the 6"8 220 lb Chandler.

    Chandler has the body to absorb contact, but not the heart.

    Plus, Garcia is a PG/SG/SF...he's a defensive specialist where Chandler is raw on defense. Chandler has his moments on D, but no way is a defensive specialist yet. Garcia is more multi dimensional, on some John Salmons ****. Thats why they traded Salmons before Garcia, Garcia is the glue in Sacramento(a team with no PG, and a one dimensional SG, and two young raw big men starting, and a weak bench)

    No contest.

    Garcia is capable of doing this in this offense.




    ^ all hustle and heart, what Chandler lacks


    Nasty.

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    Chandler > Garcia


    And the Kings traded Salmons before Garcia because Salmons gave them cap relief while Garcia is really costing them nothing... I have no problem with Garcia as a player but Wilson Chandler is a much better player now and will be a much better player down the road as he gains experience.

    If there was some sort of blockbuster trade (highly unlikely) where we got the Kings pick and Garcia while giving up Chandler and some other stuff i wouldn't be heartbroken by any means because Garcia is an overall okay player but when you compare the two players its not much of a question in my book. But you are bias to your favorite players so thats understandable.

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