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    If we draft a PF and DeRozon is still on the board I will be pissed!

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    How many times have you seen a player show essentially zero handle in college become a slashing star who can weave through defenders in the paint in the NBA? This basically never happens.

    Good luck on predicting DeRozan will be the first.

    DeRozan's athleticism just like Holiday's overrated athleticism and Brandon Jennings are a waste and a big tease. Dude can't shoot a 3 for his life...what will he do in the D'Antoni offense? That boy better improve that range and handles if he wants to be a productive NBAer.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    The funny thing is that there has been more busts from players who have been hyped in The States coming straight from highschool and the NCAA than the Euroleague!

    The ratio of good players to busts is far better with the Euroleague than the any other pool players are being pulled from. Look any player drafted has bust potential, there isnt a sure shot, with that said Rubio is real and if by some miracle he is available at 8, then even his biggest doubters would have to say it is worth the "risk" of taken him there.

    Again it is way too early to call Danillo a bust, if in the 2010-2011 season he is still playing at the same level then we can call him a bust.

    For the record Garnett and Rasheed Wallace was once labled a bust, with Bryant "Big Country" Reeves labled the steal (because of his upsided) of the 1995 draft by the experts during the All Star break of the 1995-96 season....point being, give it time!
    Thank you for the history lesson, Mr Obvious. Of course there are more NCAA busts in the NBA than Euroleager's. The NBA drafts more NCAA players than Euroleagers so the rate of failure is higher. That being said, point taken about giving it time. But as I have said about a million times, draftees will ALWAYS be compared to thier contemporaries. Sam Bowie is a bust because he was drafted over Micheal Jordan. If you compare Gallo to the rest of his draft class, at this point he is a bust. Now they always say it takes at least 2-3 years to properly grade a draft, but for now Gallo is a bust. My problem is that Gallo and Rubio as well are projects meaning not NBA ready either physically, mentally, or both. With high draft picks in the NBA, you want guys that can help you right away, unless you are drafting the next Dwight Howard or Jermain O'neal.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Thank you for the history lesson, Mr Obvious. Of course there are more NCAA busts in the NBA than Euroleager's. The NBA drafts more NCAA players than Euroleagers so the rate of failure is higher. That being said, point taken about giving it time. But as I have said about a million times, draftees will ALWAYS be compared to thier contemporaries. Sam Bowie is a bust because he was drafted over Micheal Jordan. If you compare Gallo to the rest of his draft class, at this point he is a bust. Now they always say it takes at least 2-3 years to properly grade a draft, but for now Gallo is a bust. My problem is that Gallo and Rubio as well are projects meaning not NBA ready either physically, mentally, or both. With high draft picks in the NBA, you want guys that can help you right away, unless you are drafting the next Dwight Howard or Jermain O'neal.
    There's a difference between being a project and having an injury. Gallo was one of the most NBA ready players in the 2008 draft. Unfortunately he got injured. **** happens. He'll be back next year, hopefully at 100%.

    Rubio is more NBA ready than most of the guys in the draft. He played at the highest level of competition outside the NBA. He was playing on one hand this past season, and still played well. His combination of court vision, passing, and defense make him the best PG in this draft. Why the bias against Euro players?

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    There's a difference between being a project and having an injury. Gallo was one of the most NBA ready players in the 2008 draft. Unfortunately he got injured. **** happens. He'll be back next year, hopefully at 100%.

    Rubio is more NBA ready than most of the guys in the draft. He played at the highest level of competition outside the NBA. He was playing on one hand this past season, and still played well. His combination of court vision, passing, and defense make him the best PG in this draft. Why the bias against Euro players?
    Nicely said. Right on.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Thank you for the history lesson, Mr Obvious. Of course there are more NCAA busts in the NBA than Euroleager's. The NBA drafts more NCAA players than Euroleagers so the rate of failure is higher. That being said, point taken about giving it time. But as I have said about a million times, draftees will ALWAYS be compared to thier contemporaries. Sam Bowie is a bust because he was drafted over Micheal Jordan. If you compare Gallo to the rest of his draft class, at this point he is a bust. Now they always say it takes at least 2-3 years to properly grade a draft, but for now Gallo is a bust. My problem is that Gallo and Rubio as well are projects meaning not NBA ready either physically, mentally, or both. With high draft picks in the NBA, you want guys that can help you right away, unless you are drafting the next Dwight Howard or Jermain O'neal.
    I actually didnt say rate, I said ratio. Ratio is a term used when making the comparison of two similar things (but not identical, usually one does out number the other, and you call me Mr. Obvious) in order to tell which is more precise,accurate,consistient, etc. Now, thank me for the English lesson!

    Now back to Danillo....Why hasnt the league written off Greg Oden yet? Reason being is that the most people realize that he has not played up to par yet from being hurt. Being Hurt does not mean the kid can't play, or he is a "project". A project is player with raw talent, but does not know how to play the game, how does that apply to Danillo or Rubio?

    Now compared to his contemporaries (and using your Danillo is a bust logic),Wilson Chanldler,Spencer Hawes,Jokiam Noah, Yi, Nick Young, are just a short list of players who Portland should've drafted over Oden because they all contributed more to their teams right away. More history for you...John Wallace,Frye,Balkman,and Collins all contributed to our team right away, and Frye contributed while Bynum was in The D-Leauge!

    Look we are all upset about how Danillo's rookie season played out, but, to call him a bust is short-sighted

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    There's a difference between being a project and having an injury. Gallo was one of the most NBA ready players in the 2008 draft. Unfortunately he got injured. **** happens. He'll be back next year, hopefully at 100%.

    Rubio is more NBA ready than most of the guys in the draft. He played at the highest level of competition outside the NBA. He was playing on one hand this past season, and still played well. His combination of court vision, passing, and defense make him the best PG in this draft. Why the bias against Euro players?
    Because it sounds like to me he is a big fish in a small pond. Can we work off of the basic premise that the best basketball in the world is played in these here United States??? So if that's the case then how has he played against the best talent??? It is not that I have a bias against Euro players, but I don't think you can truly judge Euro-talent until it hits our shores. There is a reason why foreign born players haven't stormed the gates like Major League Baseball. Its because we have the best atheletes and best basketball coaches in the world. Of course any draft pick is risky, but drafting a guy that hasn't cut his teeth here in the States, and then expecting that same player to overcome the cultural and language barriers to dominate our league is a tall order. Sure there is are exceptions to every rule and Rubio might be one, but even so he will be a project. Unless I missed something and he led Spain to a gold while dropping a 50 spot on us, Rubio will be a project. Notice what the Knick's scout said about him above," We need to know more about him." Its not like he was playing at Syracuse or Duke or even in the US to begin with. So how do you scout the kid??? Pay a scout to follow Rubio around his Euroleague games in this current economic climate???

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    I actually didnt say rate, I said ratio. Ratio is a term used when making the comparison of two similar things (but not identical, usually one does out number the other, and you call me Mr. Obvious) in order to tell which is more precise,accurate,consistient, etc. Now, thank me for the English lesson!

    Now back to Danillo....Why hasnt the league written off Greg Oden yet? Reason being is that the most people realize that he has not played up to par yet from being hurt. Being Hurt does not mean the kid can't play, or he is a "project". A project is player with raw talent, but does not know how to play the game, how does that apply to Danillo or Rubio?

    Now compared to his contemporaries (and using your Danillo is a bust logic),Wilson Chanldler,Spencer Hawes,Jokiam Noah, Yi, Nick Young, are just a short list of players who Portland should've drafted over Oden because they all contributed more to their teams right away. More history for you...John Wallace,Frye,Balkman,and Collins all contributed to our team right away, and Frye contributed while Bynum was in The D-Leauge!

    Look we are all upset about how Danillo's rookie season played out, but, to call him a bust is short-sighted
    Thanks for the clarification. I get what you are saying. Oden is a project as well. Most high school big men that make the jump to the NBA are projects unless your name is Moses Malone. Project applies to Danillo and Rubio because raw talent aside, they are not used to the NBA style game and also the cultural and language differences that occompany playing here in the states. The league has not written off Oden because he has been on ESPN since high school, so there is a certain expectation of sucess that goes along with that. So Oden has gotten a pass, right or wrong.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Thanks for the clarification. I get what you are saying. Oden is a project as well. Most high school big men that make the jump to the NBA are projects unless your name is Moses Malone. Project applies to Danillo and Rubio because raw talent aside, they are not used to the NBA style game and also the cultural and language differences that occompany playing here in the states. The league has not written off Oden because he has been on ESPN since high school, so there is a certain expectation of sucess that goes along with that. So Oden has gotten a pass, right or wrong.
    The site's biggest moron speaks again.

    Gallinari and Rubio are both proven.

    Proven players aren't projects.

    Darko and Nicolas Tskiiskivilli were projects.

    Unproven Euros hyped by Chad Ford.

    Rubio and Gallinari were hyped up before they lost their virginity..and were playing at a high level against elite competition.

    NCAA is nothing compared to the Euroleague. (comparing teams, and level of competition).

    NCAA may have a couple of talented players that get drafted in the lottery, but thats it. The rest of the roster are loaded with college kids, your very average to below average who don't really have the skill to play basketball for a living like the guys do in the Euroleague...majority of NCAA players go the whole 4 years to live other professions besides basketball.

    You should know this already...but you're the site's biggest idiot so you will never know anything.

    Jamal Crawford is still the NBA's biggest loser who nobody wants and Eddy Curry remains a BUST and is a PROJECT...

    Oden is a ****ing *****...the league has written him off? Who the **** is the league?

    Your post are so stupid.
    Go eat a homosexual **** and die of aids.

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    Everyone in Sacramento was a little bummed out about the Ricky Rubio visit. Rubio flew into town on Tuesday, had dinner and interviews with the front office and even chatted with the media. However, he came down with a fever and sore throat Tuesday night and wasn't able to work out for the team Wednesday. He was so ill that he didn't even get a chance to sit down with the Maloof family, which owns the Kings.

    He was going to try to make a go of it Thursday morning, but he woke up still not feeling well and ended up flying back to L.A.

    At this point, Rubio's schedule is up in the air. He'll try to get well and then decide which teams to visit. Another visit with Sacramento is still possible.

    One Kings source reiterated that the organization still has doubts about Rubio, and the visit did little to alleviate them. However, there is a split in the camps in Sacramento, with some pushing for Rubio or, if he's gone, Jrue Holiday. Others are pushing for Jonny Flynn and/or Tyreke Evans.

    Plus, still more prospects are on their way to Sacramento for workouts. DeMar DeRozan will be in on Saturday. Stephen Curry and Evans will be in town Sunday. This will be the second visit for Evans, whose first visit wasn't terrific, as we reported.

    Sources close to the situation continue to insist that, in the end, the most likely scenario is Rubio going to the Kings at No. 4 if he's still on the board. If he's gone, it sounds like Flynn has moved into second place.

    However, the focus on Rubio in the coming days may shift to Oklahoma City. The Thunder continue to show strong interest in Rubio and are pushing for a meeting, physical and a review of Rubio's contract in Spain. If Rubio feels better and is up for the visit, that's where he'll head next.

    I got this on espn insider on ricky rubio

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    The site's biggest moron speaks again.

    Gallinari and Rubio are both proven.

    Proven players aren't projects.

    Darko and Nicolas Tskiiskivilli were projects.

    Unproven Euros hyped by Chad Ford.

    Rubio and Gallinari were hyped up before they lost their virginity..and were playing at a high level against elite competition.

    NCAA is nothing compared to the Euroleague. (comparing teams, and level of competition).

    NCAA may have a couple of talented players that get drafted in the lottery, but thats it. The rest of the roster are loaded with college kids, your very average to below average who don't really have the skill to play basketball for a living like the guys do in the Euroleague...majority of NCAA players go the whole 4 years to live other professions besides basketball.

    You should know this already...but you're the site's biggest idiot so you will never know anything.

    Jamal Crawford is still the NBA's biggest loser who nobody wants and Eddy Curry remains a BUST and is a PROJECT...

    Oden is a ****ing *****...the league has written him off? Who the **** is the league?

    Your post are so stupid.
    Go eat a homosexual **** and die of aids.
    The great Metrotard speaks once again. And earning the METROTARD moniker as usual. So Gallinari has played 28 career NBA games and Rubio has played no NBA games and they are both PROVEN??? Your stupidity speaks for itself. I don't need to write a novel, all I have to do is say go **** yourself.

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    There's no reason to call Rubio a project as opposed to NCAA players simply because he was playing in the Euroleague...the Euroleague is a professional league of players who play for a living; the bulk of the NCAA doesn't play professionally...hell, most NCAA players would be lucky if they got a chance to play on a Euroleague team nowadays. To say Rubio is somehow a project even though he's been playing for a league superior to the NCAA for the better part of four years doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Of course he has some growing to do once he hits the NBA, but who doesn't?

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    I wouldn't say Rubio is a project per say, but I also wouldn't call him proven on an NBA level. No one is proven on the NBA level until they play a few games during the season. Is he NBA ready? That's a matter of opinion. I think he can be a good bench player until he develops a shot and some defense, then he can be a potential starter. I think this is a fair critique of Rubio.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    I wouldn't say Rubio is a project per say, but I also wouldn't call him proven on an NBA level. No one is proven on the NBA level until they play a few games during the season. Is he NBA ready? That's a matter of opinion. I think he can be a good bench player until he develops a shot and some defense, then he can be a potential starter. I think this is a fair critique of Rubio.
    His shot isn't as bad as people make it out to be and he's probably the best defensive PG in the draft.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    I wouldn't say Rubio is a project per say, but I also wouldn't call him proven on an NBA level. No one is proven on the NBA level until they play a few games during the season. Is he NBA ready? That's a matter of opinion. I think he can be a good bench player until he develops a shot and some defense, then he can be a potential starter. I think this is a fair critique of Rubio.
    Wrong.

    Its a matter of fact.

    4 years of elite level competition before getting drafted into the NBA = makes you more ready than anyone in this draft.
    Especially with the way Rubio preformed in those 4 years that made his stock so high.

    He isn't proven on the NBA level, but his experience gives you a clear sense of how skilled and polished he is.

    Rubio will start right away to any team he goes to.

    His defense is very above average...donchris, I don't think you know who you're talking about. Rubio was a defensive player of the year in Europe before he turned 18.

    A jumpshot isn't needed to start, ask Rondo, and Rubio is a million times the talent and PG Rondo is.

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