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    I just don't like guys like Hill, who are drafted purely off of potential and athleticism. He has very little offensive and defensive polish, a low basketball IQ, and he just doesn't have a very good feel for the game. Are we supposed to just assume that he's going to develop post moves, defensive fundamentals, and passing skills? As of now, he's just a tall, athletic guy who can shoot. Maybe he can develop into something more, but he's a project to say the least.
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    Jordan Hill, Arizona: Iíve been knocking Jordan Hill since the start of this process. While others had him a regular in the top 5, I usually placed him around #30. Though I detect some movement downward for him, he seems very likely to remain in the top 5-10. So letís take a look at what we have n Jordan Hill. Heís a 3<sup>rd</sup>-year player who had been in more of a support role previous to this season. Here are his numbers through the years:
    <table id="table7" style="border: medium none ; border-collapse: collapse;" class="MsoTableGrid" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Jordan Hill
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    2 pt pct
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    P40
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    R40
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    SB40
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    A/TO
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Freshman
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .652
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    13.0
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    11.2
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    3.0
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    0.1
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Sophomore
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    .620
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    18.5
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    11.1
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    3.0
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    0.4
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Junior
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    .537
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    20.7
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    12.5
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    2.9
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    0.5
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    The freshman Hill was a raw player who showed some promise. The sophomore Hill was actually a pretty strong prospect himself. The totals were all a little soft, but his efficiency was excellent. This player would have been worth a draft pick. This yearís Hill added some rebounding, lost a lot of efficiency and did nothing to improve his defensive numbers.

    The two numbers that concern me are his .537 FG pct. and the 2.9 SB40. Generally itís best for top prospects to exceed .570 and 3.5. Hill easily topped .570 his first couple of seasons, but Iím not sure how real that was. I suspect his offense as a freshman consisted mainly of putbacks and easy layups. Last year, it was probably much of the same, but .620 on 18.5 P40 is impressive. This past season when he became one of the top 2 offensive options his percentage dropped to the .537 that has me so concerned. This is one of those numbers thatís a red flag if itís too far below .570 or so. Here are some players who had some success after posting a sub-.550 2-point pct:

    <table id="table8" style="border: medium none ; border-collapse: collapse;" class="MsoTableGrid" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Player
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    2 pt. Pct.
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    P40
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    R40
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    SB40
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    A/TO
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Karl Malone
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .541
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    22.9
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    12.4
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    2.8
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    0.9
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Sam Perkins
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .548
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    20.2
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    11.2
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    3.6
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    0.7
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Antonio Davis
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .545
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    18.1
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    10.1
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    1.4
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    0.3
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Drew Gooden
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .523
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    26.4
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    15.2
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    4.2
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    0.7
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Andrew Declerq
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .547
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    13.1
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    11.7
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    3.6
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    0.7
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Chuck Hayes
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .547
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    13.8
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    10.5
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    3.7
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    1.5
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Kenny Thomas
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .537
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    20.6
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    11.4
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    4.1
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    1.0
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Alan Henderson
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .534
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    21.7
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    12.5
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    3.9
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    0.6
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Jason Caffey
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .521
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    18.9
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    9.3
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    1.8
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    0.3
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Jerome Williams
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .515
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    14.3
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    13.2
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    2.1
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    0.6
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Troy Murphy
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .499
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    24.0
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    10.2
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    2.8
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    0.7
    </td> </tr> <tr> <td style="border-style: none solid solid; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top"> Jordan Hill
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    .537
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    20.7
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    12.5
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    2.9
    </td> <td style="border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: -moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color; border-width: medium 1pt 1pt medium; padding: 0in 5.4pt;" valign="top">
    0.5
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    I didnít include players like Pat Garrity and Keith van Horn who used the outside shot as more of a weapon. I just felt they werenít similar players to Hill, who has yet to attempt a 3-pointer, and therefore werenít relevant. I guess the good news is the appearance of Karl Malone. Like Hill, Malone looked like an ordinary prospect in college. As we all know, malone became one of the greatest PFs ever. But there are a couple of things to mention before we start calling Hill Mailman II. Malone was an outlier. He became a much better player than his stats suggested. There have been many players over the years who looked like ordinary prospects, but could have been sold as being better than Karl Malone was at this point. Most of these players never had an impact. The next is Karl Malone played at Louisiana Tech in the pre-shot clock 80s. I have little idea about how that team operated. I have no idea if those teams ran a slowpoke offense that suppressed Maloneís stats or not. All I have are the raw stats of Karl Malone from 1985. So while itís good for Hill that Malone is on this list, itís probably best to focus on the other players. The other players just werenít all that good. The players who were superior to Hill at this point were Gooden and Henderson. Iíd also throw Malone and Perkins in there, since this was a down year for both. Gooden seems at the end of his run as a starter and will likely finish out his career as a reserve, with his facial hair probably getting crazier with each passing year. Henderson was a journeymanís journeyman. Perkins had a strong career and was able to stick around a long time because he developed an effective outside shot. Of the others only Davis had a real strong career. He was obviously a late bloomer.

    What this chart shows is Hill just doesnít look like anything more than a career journeyman. There is some good stuff in his career. I like that he shot over 60% his first two seasons. I like that his rebound rate has consistently improved. I like that he destroyed both Cole Aldrich and Josh Heytvelt in head-to-head matchups this year. I donít like that he canít get his SB40 over 3.0. This is something that even the rawest of top PF prospects should be able to do. I donít like that his team was so ordinary despite featuring two first round draftees. What bothers me the most is his .537 2-point pct. this year when he became a top scoring option. History simply hasnít been kind to such players. I feel any team drafting Jordan Hill in the top 10 and expecting him to become something of a cornerstone will come to regret it. He looks like nothing more than a decent journeyman.

    Most similar players to Jordan Hill:

    Jared Reiner, junior: .977
    Marlon Maxey, sophomore: .956
    AJ Bramlett, senior: .948
    Dan Gadzuric, senior: .934
    Aaron Gray, junior: .932
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    Originally Posted by NYKnicks15
    this is why i usually dont get involved in discussions with any of you anymore. there are a few that got my respect around here but the rest are like the knicks fans showed on tv during the draft. whining. crying. dont know anything about the guy so automatically hate him cause his name isnt Curry. watch footage on this guy please. please. please. please. then talk. same old knicks fans, disgraced to be one on days like these.

    David Lee will be gone. like it or not he will be gone! and to have a big who can run, BLOCK!!!!!!!!, and shoot at what 53% is a HUGE plus.

    get over it people.

    i read his flaws and i think the same can be said about most knick fans. POOR BASKETBALL IQ.
    Co-stamp... We had plenty shooters. We lacked interior and overall Defense. Lee is too expensive for his skill set and an asset. I thought we needed some bigs EARLY last season. What were you thinking? What were you watching? That another guard would make a difference without an interior presence? I dunno?!?!? I read you guys "expert" posts and just wonder are you posting b/c you like reading ur own sh*t? Donnie knows what's up. The next bpa and a defensive guard ala a Lee and N8 that can contribute on D!!!! Plus Milicic... we are addressing our NEEDS 1st! and its not over. If this surprises you, you're clue-less. Not that Hill and Milicic are "great" but possibly a defesive upgrade over those listed in my sig. Peace ..RIP M.J.
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    I was wondering when Walsh would add size and nastiness to cover the paint. I'll be laughing when Hill starts blocking the shoots of all those guards drafted in front of him. Walsh knows what he is doing and he's doing it the way he did it in Indiana. BTW, Hill reminds me a little bit of Dale Davis a rebounding machine who will learn to intimidate opponents with time.

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    And what superstar in this draft were we going to get with the 8th pick?

    Hill = Poor man's Chris Bosh? Well who is the Chris Bosh in this draft? No one.

    Hill is only compared to Frye because they went to the same school, they have completely different games. Hill does things that Frye could only pretend to do in college.

    Hill is potentially better then any of our big men currently. We just got an upgrade and you guys are going to complain?

    Seriously, when Blake, Thebeet, Harden, Evans, and Rubio were all taken off the board who else could we get?

    Those were the right top five to go. After those five who knows what you will get.

    We had the 8th pick, Donnie did the right thing. It doesn't matter if Hill will be a bust or not, at that time last night, Hill was the best choice.

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    From what I've been watching from him, he has good footwork, he plays well inside the paint and has some good moves, I believe he'll have a good future in the league.


    Welcome Jordan Hill, and good luck!

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    I just don't like guys like Hill, who are drafted purely off of potential and athleticism. He has very little offensive and defensive polish, a low basketball IQ, and he just doesn't have a very good feel for the game. Are we supposed to just assume that he's going to develop post moves, defensive fundamentals, and passing skills? As of now, he's just a tall, athletic guy who can shoot. Maybe he can develop into something more, but he's a project to say the least.
    Yes! The guy has only been playing basketball a few years and has steadily gotten better each year. We now have the Oakman to teach him how to play with intensity and passion. He has a decent midrange jumper, is athletic and can block shots. He was easily the best player available and paired with Darko gives us a good defensive and rebounding frontcourt where both can hit the jumper in Dantoni's system.

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    how can u guys not be happy jordan hill fell to us!? he's basically david lee with defense. He can rebound, block shots, has good footwork, he can shoot and a good offensive player. he has the potential to be a chris bosh type player. Im extremley happy about this pick and expect big things from him

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    Originally Posted by Knicks07
    how can u guys not be happy jordan hill fell to us!? he's basically david lee with defense. He can rebound, block shots, has good footwork, he can shoot and a good offensive player. he has the potential to be a chris bosh type player. Im extremley happy about this pick and expect big things from him
    i agree... i like this guy. we can fit him in along side darko and we will have a good inside...for once.. with both picks.. we drafted defense more than offense.. luv it.


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    ^^ yea and with our point guard troubles we can trade for rubio. Jordan Hill is basically gonna take david lee's spot, toney douglas will take nate robinsons spot and we can trade lee and robinson for rubio and we'll be set to make tha playoffs

    pg rubio/duhon
    sg chandler/douglas
    sf gallinari/hughes
    pf hill/harrington
    c curry/milicic
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    Wow...people still expect Curry to start.

    BTW, that lineup is the worst in the NBA.

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    Hill will keep play def and rebound.

    Just think of all the games we were tied with the opponent around the 6min mark in the fourth quarter and couldn't stop anyone.

    Hill will help rebound and play defense in those stretches.

    Our "TEAM" got better. Let's face it, the bulk of New York fans wanted Curry because the newspapers told them to want Curry. 90% of the fans booing Hill last night didn't even know who he was.
    Curry seems soft not wanting to go to a team where he has to compete for a role in the lineup.
    The funny thing is he plays exactly like monte ellis (w/o having the slashing ability).

    Curry will sit most of the year, because that is what Don Nelson does. He sits rookies.

    This pick makes me think Ellis will be traded this year.

    There will be a ton of PG's available for a trade. We will add one before the season or in the season's early stages.

    I am happy with Hill and would have been happy with DeRozen.

    Curry is another guy that didn't want to work hard. He went to Davidson and didn't hit the weight room.

    The NBA is for where baskets are tough to come by and Curry's career is already on the down slope and he didn't even play one game.

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    From DraftExpress.com:

    Best Case: Better Rebounding Chris Wilcox
    Worst Case: Ronny Turiaf

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    Must admit I was looking forward to Curry being drafted but I agree with people who say Hill may give us an upgrade over Lee. I say "May" because we haven't seen him play against NBA forwards yet and there is a huge difference versus college. From the footage i've seen he didn't wow me but he is athletic and does appear to contest shots at a higher rate than Lee did. I'm currently in wait-and-see mode.

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    Yeah honestly if you told us right after the lottery we'd have a chance to land Jordan Hill over Stephen Curry we would've taken it anyday. The only reason Curry's stock rose so much and the Knicks wanted to get him was because he was a guard we could realistically get with the #8 pick (since Jordan Hill was all but certain to go before #8).

    He was the best player available at the time. We'll see what he does, or even if he's still on the team by September.

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