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    Now if Mr tight lipped Walsh said "leeway that I dont want to talk about " something must be up!!!


    We offered Kidd 3 years which i see is official!! Thats not the plan right?
    We must protect cap for next year no? Kidd @ 37 through 40 helps that plan?
    I mean he makes us better and for sure help Duhon from getting drained like last year but he will be on the books for 5 os 6 million in the year of Lebron.

    Now I understand that Bron Bron is tight with Kidd from the Olympics but Bron is tight with a lot of NBA studs!! Is Kidd more important then cap space is what i really wonder......... Hmmmmmmmmm

    Something is up!!!

    But what? Is Curry really going to Houston for T-Mac?

    Is Jeffries heading out? Did we find homes for both?

    I hear there is a lot of teams trying to survive financially that would love to get Mobleys contract!

    Is Rubio still on our Radar and would we somehow include a third team to help compensate Walsh's buddy Kahn for drafting the next best Point Guard for us!! He has said he is staying in Spain but once we get his rights he will quickly change his mind!!

    I am convinced something is already decided on we are just waiting till the 8th to announce. Knowing NY it will get out before that!! ......

    If we can really rid ourselves of both Curry and Jeffries for contracts that expire package Mobleys contract and a Hughes or Chandler or even Harrigton for Rubio's rights it would a perfect summer for the Knicks!!

    Only way I see Kidd making sense is for both Curry and Jeffries gone!!!

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    Originally Posted by umynot
    Now if Mr tight lipped Walsh said "leeway that I dont want to talk about " something must be up!!!


    We offered Kidd 3 years which i see is official!! Thats not the plan right?
    We must protect cap for next year no? Kidd @ 37 through 40 helps that plan?
    I mean he makes us better and for sure help Duhon from getting drained like last year but he will be on the books for 5 os 6 million in the year of Lebron.

    Now I understand that Bron Bron is tight with Kidd from the Olympics but Bron is tight with a lot of NBA studs!! Is Kidd more important then cap space is what i really wonder......... Hmmmmmmmmm

    Something is up!!!

    But what? Is Curry really going to Houston for T-Mac?

    Is Jeffries heading out? Did we find homes for both?

    I hear there is a lot of teams trying to survive financially that would love to get Mobleys contract!

    Is Rubio still on our Radar and would we somehow include a third team to help compensate Walsh's buddy Kahn for drafting the next best Point Guard for us!! He has said he is staying in Spain but once we get his rights he will quickly change his mind!!

    I am convinced something is already decided on we are just waiting till the 8th to announce. Knowing NY it will get out before that!! ......

    If we can really rid ourselves of both Curry and Jeffries for contracts that expire package Mobleys contract and a Hughes or Chandler or even Harrigton for Rubio's rights it would a perfect summer for the Knicks!!

    Only way I see Kidd making sense is for both Curry and Jeffries gone!!!

    I saw this too on RealGM, and I want to get some more context. I mean, did he email AP for the sole purpose of planting this bombshell, or was it something that "slipped out" purposely within the context of some other story?

    Any more details? Losing either one of those contracts would be huge...

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    The Knicks might as weill spit in David Lees face


    If you can’t sign ‘em, Donnie Walsh must believe that you might as well insult ‘em. After averaging a career high 16 points and 11.7 rebounds per game, the Knicks are apparently only prepared to offer David Lee a four-year, $32 million deal.

    To me that’s crazy. I understand teams not wanting to overpay for marginal players, but Lee was the third leading rebounder in the NBA last season and the heart and soul of the Knicks. While it appears the going rate (at least in Lee’s mind) is $10 million a season, it seems no matter how much Knicks fans love D-Lee, money also cheers louder.

    “There’s no question he’d love to stay in New York,” Lee’s agent, Mark Bartelstein told the News’ Frank Isola. “But you are only a free agent so many times in our career, especially in the prime of your career.”

    And teams with money that they’re willing to spend will eventually win out. If the Knicks are smart, they’ll pull off a sign-and-trade with either Lee or Nate Robinson rather than letting them walk away for nothing, and it appears Portland, Detroit, Oklahoma City and Memphis have the most interest in the power forward.

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    I thought Detroit were highly interested in Lee as well?

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    theres the article, im jst crossing my fingers, i hope jeffries is gone

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    Originally Posted by Crazy8s
    I thought Detroit were highly interested in Lee as well?
    Not anymore, they signed Gordon and Villunueva. Memphis got Z-Bo, so they're out. Portland is more interested in Turkoglu and Andre Miller. OKC hasn't shown any interest, and they're more likely to go after Paul Millsap (who actually plays defense). We can pretty much sign Lee to whatever we want. I still think we should sign and trade him. He's overrated, and we could get some valuable pieces for him.

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    Originally Posted by JayJ44
    I still think we should sign and trade him. He's overrated, and we could get some valuable pieces for him.
    I agree with doing a sign-and-trade with DLee if it rids us of Curry's contract or Jeffries contract. I'd also sign-and-trade Lee in a Rubio scenario.

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    If we can sign and trade David Lee to a small contract (all of his rumored suitors have pretty much focused their eyes elsewhere) and trade him, it could convince another team to take Eddy Curry as well

    David Lee's 8 million + Eddy Curry's 10 million + Cuttino Mobley's contract for T-Mac?

    Goodness I would LOVE that deal

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    Originally Posted by SSj4Wingzero
    If we can sign and trade David Lee to a small contract (all of his rumored suitors have pretty much focused their eyes elsewhere) and trade him, it could convince another team to take Eddy Curry as well

    David Lee's 8 million + Eddy Curry's 10 million + Cuttino Mobley's contract for T-Mac?

    Goodness I would LOVE that deal

    +1

    If that's the leeway, I'll be happier than a pig eating sh*t.

    My hunch is that the "Leeway" involves that rumor of Nate/Jeffries going to the Kings. In that case, the expiring contract of Kenny Thomas.

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    I suspect the "leeway" refers to a possible threeway with Atlanta and Houston thatll have the Knicks taking Josh Smith, the Rockets taking Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries and Joe JOhnson and the Hawks getting Aaron Brooks, Luis Scola, Wilson Chandler and McGrady's expiring deal.

    Morris Almond is a high school teammate of Josh Smith and his signing to the summer league may be an accomodation to get Smith to approve the trade (he can veto any trade before Aug13th). Smith wants out and rumors are that Atlanta is looking to make him happy.

    So, if we analyze this, Atlanta also stands to lose Joe Johnson next summer and have moved in a possible replacement with Jamal Crawford. With this trade, they can clear space to resign Johnson next season or attract any agent.

    They dont want Eddy Curry nor Jared Jeffries, so a direct swap is impossible.

    Enter the Houston Rockets who are willing to move TMac's huge expiring deal and and due to Yao's injury are probably the only team that has a strong incentive to acquire Eddy (now that Gortat will sign with the Mavs).

    Hence, the following deal or something similar may be in the oven:

    [REALGM]5167322[/REALGM]

    Successful Trade Scenario
    Congratulations on a successful trade.

    Due to Atlanta, New York, and Houston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Atlanta, New York, and Houston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective
    Bargaining Agreement.

    Trade ID #5167322

    Atlanta Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: +16.9 ppg, +9.0 rpg, and +3.3 apg.

    Incoming Players
    Wilson Chandler
    6-8 SF from DePaul
    14.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 33.4 minutes

    Aaron Brooks
    5-11 PG from Oregon
    11.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 25.0 minutes

    Luis Scola
    6-9 PF from Buenos Aires (Argentina)
    12.7 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.3 minutes

    Tracy McGrady
    6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 33.8 minutes

    Outgoing Players
    Josh Smith
    6-9 PF from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 35.1 minutes

    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    21.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.8 apg in 39.5 minutes

    New York Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

    Incoming Players

    Josh Smith
    6-9 PF from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 35.1 minutes

    Brian Cook
    6-9 PF from Illinois
    3.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes

    Outgoing Players

    Wilson Chandler
    6-8 SF from DePaul
    14.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 33.4 minutes

    Jared Jeffries
    6-11 SF from Indiana
    5.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.4 minutes

    Eddy Curry
    6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
    1.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.9 minutes

    Houston Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -14.6 ppg, -7.0 rpg, and -2.5 apg.

    Incoming Players

    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    21.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.8 apg in 39.5 minutes

    Jared Jeffries
    6-11 SF from Indiana
    5.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.4 minutes

    Eddy Curry
    6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
    1.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.9 minutes

    Outgoing Players

    Aaron Brooks
    5-11 PG from Oregon
    11.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 25.0 minutes

    Luis Scola
    6-9 PF from Buenos Aires (Argentina)
    12.7 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.3 minutes

    Brian Cook
    6-9 PF from Illinois
    3.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes

    Tracy McGrady
    6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 33.8 minutes


    Knicks Starting 5:
    Darko
    Josh Smith
    Gallinari
    Nate
    Kidd

    Atlanta Starting 5:
    Aaron Brooks
    Jamal Crawford
    Marvin Williams
    Luis Scola
    Al Horford

    Rockets Starting 5:
    Joe Johnson
    Trevor Ariza
    Shane Battier
    Carl Landry
    Eddy Curry

    This would allow us to sign Chris Bosh and Lebron/Wade next year.

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    Originally Posted by portega1968
    I suspect the "leeway" refers to a possible threeway with Atlanta and Houston thatll have the Knicks taking Josh Smith, the Rockets taking Eddy Curry, Jared Jeffries and Joe JOhnson and the Hawks getting Aaron Brooks, Luis Scola, Wilson Chandler and McGrady's expiring deal.

    Morris Almond is a high school teammate of Josh Smith and his signing to the summer league may be an accomodation to get Smith to approve the trade (he can veto any trade before Aug13th). Smith wants out and rumors are that Atlanta is looking to make him happy.

    So, if we analyze this, Atlanta also stands to lose Joe Johnson next summer and have moved in a possible replacement with Jamal Crawford. With this trade, they can clear space to resign Johnson next season or attract any agent.

    They dont want Eddy Curry nor Jared Jeffries, so a direct swap is impossible.

    Enter the Houston Rockets who are willing to move TMac's huge expiring deal and and due to Yao's injury are probably the only team that has a strong incentive to acquire Eddy (now that Gortat will sign with the Mavs).

    Hence, the following deal or something similar may be in the oven:

    [REALGM]5167322[/REALGM]

    Successful Trade Scenario
    Congratulations on a successful trade.

    Due to Atlanta, New York, and Houston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Atlanta, New York, and Houston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective
    Bargaining Agreement.

    Trade ID #5167322

    Atlanta Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: +16.9 ppg, +9.0 rpg, and +3.3 apg.

    Incoming Players
    Wilson Chandler
    6-8 SF from DePaul
    14.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 33.4 minutes

    Aaron Brooks
    5-11 PG from Oregon
    11.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 25.0 minutes

    Luis Scola
    6-9 PF from Buenos Aires (Argentina)
    12.7 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.3 minutes

    Tracy McGrady
    6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 33.8 minutes

    Outgoing Players
    Josh Smith
    6-9 PF from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 35.1 minutes

    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    21.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.8 apg in 39.5 minutes

    New York Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and -0.8 apg.

    Incoming Players

    Josh Smith
    6-9 PF from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 2.5 apg in 35.1 minutes

    Brian Cook
    6-9 PF from Illinois
    3.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes

    Outgoing Players

    Wilson Chandler
    6-8 SF from DePaul
    14.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.1 apg in 33.4 minutes

    Jared Jeffries
    6-11 SF from Indiana
    5.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.4 minutes

    Eddy Curry
    6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
    1.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.9 minutes

    Houston Trade Breakdown
    Change in Team Outlook: -14.6 ppg, -7.0 rpg, and -2.5 apg.

    Incoming Players

    Joe Johnson
    6-7 SG from Arkansas
    21.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.8 apg in 39.5 minutes

    Jared Jeffries
    6-11 SF from Indiana
    5.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 23.4 minutes

    Eddy Curry
    6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
    1.2 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.9 minutes

    Outgoing Players

    Aaron Brooks
    5-11 PG from Oregon
    11.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.0 apg in 25.0 minutes

    Luis Scola
    6-9 PF from Buenos Aires (Argentina)
    12.7 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 30.3 minutes

    Brian Cook
    6-9 PF from Illinois
    3.0 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 0.2 apg in 6.9 minutes

    Tracy McGrady
    6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
    15.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 5.0 apg in 33.8 minutes


    Knicks Starting 5:
    Darko
    Josh Smith
    Gallinari
    Nate
    Kidd

    Atlanta Starting 5:
    Aaron Brooks
    Jamal Crawford
    Marvin Williams
    Luis Scola
    Al Horford

    Rockets Starting 5:
    Joe Johnson
    Trevor Ariza
    Shane Battier
    Carl Landry
    Eddy Curry

    This would allow us to sign Chris Bosh and Lebron/Wade next year.
    boo, jj will only go to ny if he goes. Mike D likes him

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    wow interestin deal there, did u make it up or was there an article tht supported it cud happen?

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    I made it up after connecting the dots here in the past weeks

    1. Walsh offers JKidd 3 years and talks about leeway, which means a deal is cooking for jeffries and curry
    2. the signing of morris almond (josh smiths buddy)
    3. josh smith can veto any trade until aug19
    4. houston wants curry and wants to ship out tmac
    5. atlanta wants to move smith and may lose a shot at JJ next year if they dont move him

    all teams win in this scenario any which way you look at it

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    Originally Posted by portega1968
    I made it up after connecting the dots here in the past weeks

    1. Walsh offers JKidd 3 years and talks about leeway, which means a deal is cooking for jeffries and curry
    2. the signing of morris almond (josh smiths buddy)
    3. josh smith can veto any trade until aug19
    4. houston wants curry and wants to ship out tmac
    5. atlanta wants to move smith and may lose a shot at JJ next year if they dont move him

    all teams win in this scenario any which way you look at it
    The whole point of getting rid of Curry and Jeffries is to remove 18 mil from our cap for next summer. Overall, this trade would only save us 7 mil for next summer... That's significant, but I'm hoping we can do better than that, and remove the full 18 mil... However, If this kind of trade is the best we can do, then maybe you have to consider it...

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    Kidd used Walsh to force Cuban's hand.... to get a guarantee on that 3rd year. HE WAS NEVER going to turn down 12-18 million to come play for the Knicks.

    Looks like Morris Almond is this year's Anthony Robeson.

    MAN, Walsh better luck out- get Lebron & Bosh- or else what then? He turns around and retires, saying he tried?

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