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    Originally Posted by NYKnicks15
    Oh Knicks fans. Im rather confused if we get so mad that nothing is done because we want to better the team or we want to change our roster on NBA 2K9.

    Sometimes the best moves are the ones not done. And I think Walsh has done an excellent job this summer. He drafted at two position we could possibly lose two players at. PF and PG/SG. That move alone gave us the choice (and being an exec is always ALWAYS about having choices) to play hard with Nate and David. Now free agency is coming to a halt. NO ONE has considerable cap space minus the Oklahoma City Thunder and Memphis (kinda) who already snabbed Zach Randolph. I believe the ball is in our court on David and Nate. And we did not have to meet any 12 million dollar contract stipulations.

    We also have Eddy working out. Let me repeat that.. EDDY CURRY and WORKING OUT in the same sentence. even better.. Donnie got the Houston Rockets to watch one of his work outs. smart move? Id think so.

    We are also pursuing Ramon Sessions who can quite possibly be a starter in this league for years and years. And we jump scared anytime the media mentions anything about him and not coming here. Look a lot goes into offering someone a contract especially when we are trying to save for next year.. you know, the year LeBron and them all could become free agents... You also have to understand we are playing negotiations with ourselves people!!! Basically for Sessions its take a small chunk of that money off your demands and comes play/start for us... or play behind Baron Davis and fight for backup duties with Sebastian Telfair.

    And the small signings of possible Morris Almond, or Von Wafer etc only give us more depth. Will only be for one year and wont effect anything. Just shows us the potential of a couple guys that may help us this year. So dont stress it. Sorry they arent giant stars but thats what next year is for.

    all in all being patient is good. and Donnie has done a great job so far this offseason. This years free agents were the year of 28+32 yr old stars, tempting but not worth the long term risk of what we could have ruined. So far so good Walsh and Coach D. Lets just push to rid ourselves of Jeffries now!

    oh by the way, did i mention Nate will probably sign a one year five million dollar deal this week?
    Clearly I should have stated my concerns regarding Curry & Jeffries rather than anything else. Anyway, that's what I was on about. I just thought we would have heard more about Jeffries and less worrying things about Curry.

    I hadn't heard that the Rockets staff had attended a Curry workout? So that's great news!!!!!!!. Poor bastards must be very desperate. I shall look it up immediately! Then I'll be much clearer as to wtf is going on.

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    Default Scr*w 2010....I'm waitng for 2011

    I know all of this 2010 talk and such....but 2011 is when Carmelo Anthony (ETO), Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Josh Howard & Rudy Gay are FA's. by then......From what I understand, Fat Curry and JJ's contracts should be up and we have even more cap space for max contracts. Plus, We have our #1 pick back. Add one or two of them and Build from what we have....forget 2010 and go 2011. Just MHO.
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    To me, our last best hope for a winning team, in the near future, has passed. There was Gasol, who I was begging for Isiah to trade Curry for, but good ole Isiah said Curry was "untouchable." There was Brook Lopez, who has all-star potential, all the tools one could ask from a big man: power, athleticism, range, mid and low post skills, etc, but family comes first.

    All of you can continue hating on Crawford and Marbury, but they were top guards in this league, regardless of how 5hitty our team was. What the Knicks have been missing, since Ewing, has been a competent center. None of you can say that Marbury or Crawford had the benefit of playing with a center that was in there intimidating penetration and securing our boards consistently.

    Watching the Knicks, how many times have we gotten raped on the inside, by every position from the 1 to the 5? And, further, how many of those games were close games that, had we had better interior D, we'd have won? How much help D has this team ever had, period, from its bigs, since Ewing?

    What many of the posters on here don't seem to understand is that defense is the key to playing winning basketball. Crawford and Marbury can, and do, get you offense. It's not perfect, but no team has perfect offense. The Knicks' problem was, and is, that they have horrible interior defense. And in the NBA, interior D is the most important part of a team's system.

    This is why D'Antoni makes so little sense for this team: he's an offensive specialist.

    Anyway, keep thinking that Lebron, or anyone else, is going to be successful on a team that's so nakedly lacking on the inside. NBA players know why Craw and Marbury were unsuccessful as guards on the Knicks, they're not taking that bait.

    Watch ATL tear through the competition, with Johnson and Crawford playing the 2.

    As for us: I predict at least 5 more years of underachievement, after which a great opportunity might present itself. Most likely, however, the Knicks won't seize it and will march on in failure.
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    From an entertainment standpoint, I'm glad the Knicks went with D'Antoni. He plays an exciting brand of basketball if we can get him the players. It all starts from the point guard position, as we saw with Nash. We need to get an allstar calibur (or at this point a point guard with all star potential). And build from there. This season will tell us if we have some of the pieces necessary to win. I don't know that answer yet.

    True, the Suns didn't win a Championship under D'Antoni but they were contenders and won a lot of games. I'd be happy to get to the point where we're winning a lot of games and then move on from there.

    I also think it's a style that appeals to a lot of players and may help in recruiting free agents, assuming we have some pieces of a good team in place.

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    yes quick answer to that debate. would Marc Jackson have been a better fit had we been trying to win now and teach for the future? yes. but that isnt our goal frankly. its to play fun ball and attract free agents. ones that played for team USA.

    the latest options the knicks are mulling over are this.

    If we sign Ramon Sessions then we dont sign David Lee to a multi year deal. UNLESS we extend him somehow after getting rid of Jeffries or Curry.

    With Nate looking at a one year deal and if Lee doesnt sign one as well you can bet on a sign and trade with Chicago. Chicago wants him badly.. they wanted him when we drafted him. We would ask for Hinrich and they want to give us Tyrus Thomas. Well probably get Jerome James back in any deal woo hoo! ahaha I would welcome both Hinrich or Thomas. I have a feeling Thomas would excel in this system. and of course Hinrich would.

    I think itd be in our best interest to offer Sessions a deal. Sign Nate and Lee to one year deals. and find a suitor for Duhon. which should be easy with his expiring contract. possibly if Curry shows up. a deal would work with Curry, Duhon and the contract of Cuttino Mobley to Houston for Tracy McGrady. Come to a buyout with Larry Hughes and were set for next year. while having our rotation look like...

    Darko, Lee, Harrington, Hill, Chandler, Gallinari, McGrady, Sessions and Robinson

    anything is possible at the moment. and its nice to be able to say that we actually have options for once.!

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    I agree we haven't had a good defensive presence at Center since Kurt Thomas was playing out of position. I don't understand why we can't pick up a defensive center tho. Like someone at samuel de lamberts level. At the very least to clog up the middle on d to slow down the slashers a little bit.

    Edit: I mean...we should at least make a run at Theo Ratliff.

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    I have no desire at all to get Hinrich in a sign and trade or anything else. He's simpy not that good and certainly not as productive as Lee.

    We definitely have needed a big man to defend the paint for a long time, but it isn't any accident that we sucked when we had Marbury and Crawford over and above that need.

    Crawford is not that efficient a scorer and played no defense.

    Marbury was also not that efficient a scorer.

    Anyone can score a lot of points if they take a lot of shots. That goes double if they have some athletic ability and create shots for themselves. However, there is a big difference between taking a lot of shots and scoring a lot of points vs. taking all smart shots and being an excellent shooter. The latter will have a very high TS%, draw fouls, be excellent on the FT line etc..

    Billups doesn't have have fancy scoring stats, but he's great because he takes smart shots, draw fouls often, is terrific from beyond the 3 point line etc... So he gets a lot of points PER SHOT.

    Those other guys take tons of shots, but many of them are stupid, they aren't that great as shooters etc... so they pile up points based on volume but get fewer points PER SHOT and hurt their team will all that stupidity.

    Of course real novices look at POINT PER GAME, love them, and never really understand why their teams always suck. So they externalize it all and say it's the other players fault.
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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    I agree we haven't had a good defensive presence at Center since Kurt Thomas was playing out of position. I don't understand why we can't pick up a defensive center tho. Like someone at samuel de lamberts level. At the very least to clog up the middle on d to slow down the slashers a little bit.

    Edit: I mean...we should at least make a run at Theo Ratliff.
    Darko???

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    Originally Posted by NYKnicks15

    With Nate looking at a one year deal and if Lee doesnt sign one as well you can bet on a sign and trade with Chicago. Chicago wants him badly.. they wanted him when we drafted him. We would ask for Hinrich and they want to give us Tyrus Thomas. Well probably get Jerome James back in any deal woo hoo! ahaha I would welcome both Hinrich or Thomas. I have a feeling Thomas would excel in this system. and of course Hinrich would.


    anything is possible at the moment. and its nice to be able to say that we actually have options for once.!
    Why would we want Hinrich?

    His contract for this year is $9.5M, for 2010 $9M and for 2011 $8M. I think that is a problem.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    Darko???
    sorry man not a dreamer...can't foresee darko even getting meaningful minutes this year. More important to force feed curry to ship his ass out.

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    We definitely need interior defense. But not just any defender/shot-blocker will do. Somebody that can run the floor well would be ideal.

    Now that I think about it, Sean Williams is probably still available. There are rumors that NJ is going after Hakim Warrick which would leave Sean Williams on the out. He's worth taking a chance on. Low-cost contract and can run the floor well. He would excel in D'Antoni's system if he can stop being an idiot.

    Unfortunately, I don't think Donnie or D'Antoni are willing to take a chance on him. Too bad.

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    my point is, what would you have done if you were donnies position,

    nothing because nothing is all that he can do,
    you cant squeeze blood out of a turnip man
    and you certainly cant fool Gms into believing that the knicks have players worth trading for. Donnie did the right thing, he tested the market within his realm of finances, and that was it, was he supposed to keep his arms crossed and not go after kidd or hill who were available, he had to entertain the thought, or he would not of been doing his job.

    There isnt a lebron or wade or bosh to be had this summer.
    if that was the case he would be all over them as we speak throwing as much money as he can in their direction.

    he went after the few FA's available, and played it safe as to not over pay any one.

    good work donnie.

    patience is a virtue.

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    Originally Posted by clumsy
    sorry man not a dreamer...can't foresee darko even getting meaningful minutes this year. More important to force feed curry to ship his ass out.
    I agree on Curry needing to be shipped ASAP. I do however think that Darko has the POTENTIAL to thrive in our system...after all he is a 7 footer who can run the floor, hit a jump shot and block shots. At the very least we can finally play a true center for better or worse. My prediction is that Darko has a career year and hopefully gets the most improved player award. Yes, I can dream...even if you can't.

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    i honestly do not know what the beef is.we all know what donnie's plan was when he got here.there is no need to be impatient.we got 1 season left to see if we become an instant championship contender with james in 2010, or wait for michael gilchrist in 2011(lol).

    nothing has happened with the sessions situation becuase of the lee situation, nothing has happened with lee becuase of the 2010 plan.personally i'd rather have the opportunity to sign LBJ(no matter how much bitchassness has taken a hold of him) than sign a hardly all star in lee to a max deal.and don't talk about loyalty.lee is only loyal to his bank account.this is a business, and I'm on the knicks side of the business cause I'm a knicks fan.

    the nightmare will soon be over.no need to panic when we're so close to not being what we've been for such a long time.

    in the meantime, I believe both lee and nate will be re-signed, and i think hill will get dealt believe it or not.there's too much of a glut up front if lee returns, and the knicks need to get curry some playing time.

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    The truth is that Lebron isn't coming to NY in 2010. A year ago, I say he would have. Right now, Lebron exists in a state of humility, of the sort that keeps him up late at night, thinking on how much he can't do it alone.

    As I said in my previous post to this thread, players like Lebron and Wade know that Crawford and Marbury were offensively talented players, like them, though not as the same level. They know that, if they come to the Knicks, they'll be surrounded by the same type of lazy, incompetent bigs.

    Wade and James, in my opinion, are too experienced, coveted, and will be flooded with enough better offers (monetarily and otherwise), to go for anything the Knicks can offer.

    They know that they'll be playing alongside bigs that can't help them on D, get rebounds for them, etc. They know they can at least get the Knicks an 8th seed entry into the playoffs, as opposed to what the Knicks were doing with Crawford and Marbury; but do you think this is what they want to incorporate into their respective basketball legacies?


    The 2010 dream is just that, a dream. The Knicks would be well-served to focus on looking for intelligent, athletically-gifted players, the most beautiful thing you can see in this sport. The knicks need guys that box out, move the ball, move to their spots on time, help on D, etc.

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