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    This guy didn't include Sessions, Lee and Nate into the equation. If we sign Sessions, Lee and Nate without getting rid of Jeffries or Curry we're screwed. Won't even be able to get 1 max contract.

    I don't think getting rid of Jeffries will be much of a problem. Getting rid of Curry too would be monumental and easily allow us to keep the above players and still get 2 max free agents. I hope that fat-ass gets moved by the trade deadline.

    How Much Cap Space Knicks Will Have In 2010

    The Knicks have been extremely patient in their negotiations this summer with free agents such as David Lee, Ramon Sessions and Nate Robinson. Because of the projected decline of the salary cap, there will be very little margin of error if the Knicks intend to sign more than one high priced free agent in 2010.

    Using the current cap of $57.7M (Same Cap), as well as the High Cap ($53.6M) and Low cap ($50.4M) figures, which are based on the 2% to 5% decline, respectively, in BRI that is projected by the NBA league office, we can estimate precisely how much cap space will be available for the Knicks in 2010.

    2010 Knicks’ Salary Cap Room (as of projected roster from August 18, 2009)

    Cap Room: $20.22M (Low Cap), $23.42M (High Cap), $27.52M (Same Cap)

    Available Cap Room After One Max Contract: $4.13M (Low Cap), $7.33M (High Cap), $11.43M (Same Cap)

    Also note that if the cap does NOT decline next summer, and stays at this season’s level (Same Cap), the Knicks would have room to offer a second max contract ONLY IF the team rids itself of Jared Jeffries. Even if the cap declines just 2%, a second max contract would not be possible.

    2010 Knicks’ Salary Cap Room if contract of Jared Jeffries is removed

    Cap Room: $26.63M (Low Cap), $29.83M (High Cap), $33.93M (Same Cap)

    Cap Room After One Max Contract: $10.54M (Low Cap), $13.74M (High Cap), $17.84M (Same Cap)

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    that, and make the playoffs? would be great....

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    Even 2%. ****ing hell. 2010 is teetering on the edge of spontaneous combustion.

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    Nah no need to get so worked up guys. The 2010 cap is based on current economic concerns. Gradual signs and economic forecasts have show that the US will come out the recession this quarter and by the summer of 2010, things will be alot better than it was when the projected salary cap estimates were derived.

    I would say for sake of argument that the cap would be set anywhere between $58-$60mil

    Besides moving jefferies and curry won't be a problem as many people think it will.
    For some reason unknown to me, the wizards want him back on their squad, so if Nate doesn't get signed - expect him and JJ to be packing their bags.

    And with Eddie - I know a lot of knick fans hate the dude cause he's lazy but with all the work he's putting in this offseason to be in shape and toned - I think he will see great results in D'Antoni's system - and that will increase his trade value...
    And one thing about the NBA - even though the regular season is made for small ball, come the playoffs - a big man is a must...so you know some team will be more than ready to take him off our hands.

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    More reasons to be "HATIN" on Kiyaman

    I still say, Walsh is going about this 2010 plan to lower the salary-cap the wrong way. Having a 2010 plan is all good, but not having any type of strategy to succeed this plan is...............
    Donnie Walsh been making uncalled-for brainless moves for the last 16 months.

    To lower the Knicks salary-cap in two years meant getting rid of just FOUR (4) contract players that goes into the 2010-11 season (Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies).
    A very easy task to do within 12 to 16 months span b/c it includes two offseasons.

    What bothers me the most is members in this forum and others been coming up with so many "EXCUSES" to justify Donnie Walsh doing nothing to succeed his 2010 plan other than trade expiring contracts for expiring contracts just to make it look like he is doing something. Trading Zach and Crawful were the first step in (November 2008). The offseason is not gone yet but neither is Curry & Jefferies.

    Members saying Isiah would've done "this or that" does not justify Donnie Walsh decision making, what it does is just give an excuse (falure) to change the subject why Curry & Jefferies is still on the roster after two offseasons.
    When the main objective to the 2010 plan is to get rid of their contracts too within two offseasons.

    There is no such thing as an "untradeable-player" in the NBA, there never was and never will be. Proof of that pudding lies in the Kwame & Darko trades, and for Knick-Fans the Jerome James and the back-injury Q.Richardson four trades.
    Donnie Walsh used that "untradeable" comment to the press in Indiana too, about Jermain O'Neal. and got kicked out of the Indiana Organization so the G.M. Larry Bird could trade Jermain O'Neal 2 months after the departure of Donnie Walsh.

    I'm sure we all are happier than a rat in a cheese factory that Isiah Thomas is gone, but replacing him with Donnie Walsh has to be another super idiotic move made by Knick owner Dolan.
    We all watched coaches and players make the Pacers into a top contender team and then quit on Donnie Walsh during his span as the Indiana Pacers President. That is a FACT....

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    More reasons to be "HATIN" on Kiyaman

    I still say, Walsh is going about this 2010 plan to lower the salary-cap the wrong way. Having a 2010 plan is all good, but not having any type of strategy to succeed this plan is...............
    Donnie Walsh been making uncalled-for brainless moves for the last 16 months.

    To lower the Knicks salary-cap in two years meant getting rid of just FOUR (4) contract players that goes into the 2010-11 season (Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies).
    A very easy task to do within 12 to 16 months span b/c it includes two offseasons.

    What bothers me the most is members in this forum and others been coming up with so many "EXCUSES" to justify Donnie Walsh doing nothing to succeed his 2010 plan other than trade expiring contracts for expiring contracts just to make it look like he is doing something. Trading Zach and Crawful were the first step in (November 2008). The offseason is not gone yet but neither is Curry & Jefferies.

    Members saying Isiah would've done "this or that" does not justify Donnie Walsh decision making, what it does is just give an excuse (falure) to change the subject why Curry & Jefferies is still on the roster after two offseasons.
    When the main objective to the 2010 plan is to get rid of their contracts too within two offseasons.

    There is no such thing as an "untradeable-player" in the NBA, there never was and never will be. Proof of that pudding lies in the Kwame & Darko trades, and for Knick-Fans the Jerome James and the back-injury Q.Richardson four trades.
    Donnie Walsh used that "untradeable" comment to the press in Indiana too, about Jermain O'Neal. and got kicked out of the Indiana Organization so the G.M. Larry Bird could trade Jermain O'Neal 2 months after the departure of Donnie Walsh.

    I'm sure we all are happier than a rat in a cheese factory that Isiah Thomas is gone, but replacing him with Donnie Walsh has to be another super idiotic move made by Knick owner Dolan.
    We all watched coaches and players make the Pacers into a top contender team and then quit on Donnie Walsh during his span as the Indiana Pacers President. That is a FACT....

    Nope that would be absolute fiction like always from you.. So your telling me theres a trade market for an out of shape center with a bloated contract who played in 2 games last season? Please enlighten me to the many trades the Knicks could make to unload Curry... Because i would certainly like to hear them..

    As far as Jefferies goes, in retrospect we should have traded Nate and JJ to the Kings last year but we didn't. If you want to fault Donnie Walsh for anything its the fact he didn't make that trade. But all the people who believe Nate Robinson is something more then a decent eneregy bench player woulda flipped **** when then trade went down.

    Kiya yet again you give all this "inside information" but never once back it up with anything factual. Its pretty obvious to everybody on this forum that you just like to hear yourself talk. My advice to you would be to move to Vegas and only come out of hibernation once a year for your beloved summer league basketball.


    This summer has been such a dissappointment huh? We drafted the best available big man and a solid backup guard prospect in Douglas. Added a 7 footer with potential while only unloading Q Rich and from the looks of it we'll retain Lee and Nate for reasonable contracts while signing Sessions for below market value... Yea that Donnie Walsh has done an awful job of remaking the absolute worst roster in the NBA.. Think back two years and look at the roster and salary cap hell we were in.. Now look at a more talented roster with cap flexibility.


    But hey i guess we coulda trade Eddy Curry and 3 future first round picks for Balkman and Kenyon Martin and that woulda made some people happy.

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    Originally Posted by ANU
    that, and make the playoffs? would be great....
    Ha!!!

    that sig's ****in' awesome.

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    Angry Where is the strategy for the 2010 Plan???

    Originally Posted by GetRealistic
    Nope that would be absolute fiction like always from you.. So your telling me theres a trade market for an out of shape center with a bloated contract who played in 2 games last season? Please enlighten me to the many trades the Knicks could make to unload Curry... Because i would certainly like to hear them..

    As far as Jefferies goes, in retrospect we should have traded Nate and JJ to the Kings last year but we didn't. If you want to fault Donnie Walsh for anything its the fact he didn't make that trade. But all the people who believe Nate Robinson is something more then a decent eneregy bench player woulda flipped **** when then trade went down.

    Kiya yet again you give all this "inside information" but never once back it up with anything factual. Its pretty obvious to everybody on this forum that you just like to hear yourself talk. My advice to you would be to move to Vegas and only come out of hibernation once a year for your beloved summer league basketball.


    This summer has been such a dissappointment huh? We drafted the best available big man and a solid backup guard prospect in Douglas. Added a 7 footer with potential while only unloading Q Rich and from the looks of it we'll retain Lee and Nate for reasonable contracts while signing Sessions for below market value... Yea that Donnie Walsh has done an awful job of remaking the absolute worst roster in the NBA.. Think back two years and look at the roster and salary cap hell we were in.. Now look at a more talented roster with cap flexibility.


    But hey i guess we coulda trade Eddy Curry and 3 future first round picks for Balkman and Kenyon Martin and that woulda made some people happy.
    Everything u just wrote is an "EXCUSE" for Donnie Walsh delay in putting his own plan into action. An excuse means failure in a task.

    I been reading in other forums how outsiders strategy on getting the Knicks 2010 plan into action, and to my surprise the majority came up with a 100% better strategy within a 12 month span time than Donnie Walsh.
    Just the other day some guy came to the espn forum and asked why did'nt Walsh talk to the Houston Rockets with Yao season injury and Curry losing weight, that Walsh should've gave David Lee what he asked for in a sign and trade for Curry & Lee for Rockets disgruntle T-Mac contract.

    Things would look more optimistic and understanding if President Donnie Walsh had a strategy (for his 2010 Plan) which would have gotten rid of all four players (Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies) contracts by August 1st 2009 (16 months).
    Now that would be a 2010 Plan....in affect to start the rebuilding in the 2009 training-camp...

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    Well i'm still waiting for a concrete offer we recieved for Eddy Curry that Donnie Walsh turned down... Because everybody talks about this Curry for TMac thing but i hate to break it to ya... The Rockets young GM is one of the best gms in the league and would never take on Curry's contract.

    The only way to trade Curry is to get him playing and getting him playing semi effectively. People in forums suggest a lot of trades but the fact of the matter is 90 percent of the proposed trades are BS.. Thats why we're writing for forums not NBA GMs...

    The only thing that would make you happy is if we signed David Lee to a Max contract and somehow got Mardy Collins back.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Everything u just wrote is an "EXCUSE" for Donnie Walsh delay in putting his own plan into action. An excuse means failure in a task.

    I been reading in other forums how outsiders strategy on getting the Knicks 2010 plan into action, and to my surprise the majority came up with a 100% better strategy within a 12 month span time than Donnie Walsh.
    Just the other day some guy came to the espn forum and asked why did'nt Walsh talk to the Houston Rockets with Yao season injury and Curry losing weight, that Walsh should've gave David Lee what he asked for in a sign and trade for Curry & Lee for Rockets disgruntle T-Mac contract.

    Things would look more optimistic and understanding if President Donnie Walsh had a strategy (for his 2010 Plan) which would have gotten rid of all four players (Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies) contracts by August 1st 2009 (16 months).
    Now that would be a 2010 Plan....in affect to start the rebuilding in the 2009 training-camp...

    Yo, we got Darko, bitch!

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    This guy has ranked each team's offseason. He ranked the Knicks #21 out of 30. I think it's still too early because I expect Donnie to make some moves...some day.

    Dissecting The 2009 Offeason

    21. New York

    Moreso than anything else, the Knicks’ offseason was about circumstance and other goals. I cannot penalize them for not dumping Eddy Curry or Jared Jeffries’ contracts, since it will be very difficult, even with Cuttino Mobley’s insured contract.

    However, Walsh does deserve criticism for taking Jordan Hill once Stephen Curry was off the board. Hill is the definition of a banal player- nice kid, works hard, very limited, a fine guy to have on a team, but not a guy who you take in the Top-10. As already noted, it seems hard to believe that Curry or Jeffries could have yielded an offer, but moving one of them with #8 may have been a possibility.

    The Knicks were also hurt by the potential cap drop for 2010, but smart management could make them major players in 2011, if they strike out in 2010 (and I don’t think they will in 2010, unless Amare counts as “striking out”…)

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
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    I still say, Walsh is going about this 2010 plan to lower the salary-cap the wrong way. Having a 2010 plan is all good, but not having any type of strategy to succeed this plan is...............
    Donnie Walsh been making uncalled-for brainless moves for the last 16 months.

    To lower the Knicks salary-cap in two years meant getting rid of just FOUR (4) contract players that goes into the 2010-11 season (Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies).
    A very easy task to do within 12 to 16 months span b/c it includes two offseasons.

    What bothers me the most is members in this forum and others been coming up with so many "EXCUSES" to justify Donnie Walsh doing nothing to succeed his 2010 plan other than trade expiring contracts for expiring contracts just to make it look like he is doing something. Trading Zach and Crawful were the first step in (November 2008). The offseason is not gone yet but neither is Curry & Jefferies.

    Members saying Isiah would've done "this or that" does not justify Donnie Walsh decision making, what it does is just give an excuse (falure) to change the subject why Curry & Jefferies is still on the roster after two offseasons.
    When the main objective to the 2010 plan is to get rid of their contracts too within two offseasons.

    There is no such thing as an "untradeable-player" in the NBA, there never was and never will be. Proof of that pudding lies in the Kwame & Darko trades, and for Knick-Fans the Jerome James and the back-injury Q.Richardson four trades.
    Donnie Walsh used that "untradeable" comment to the press in Indiana too, about Jermain O'Neal. and got kicked out of the Indiana Organization so the G.M. Larry Bird could trade Jermain O'Neal 2 months after the departure of Donnie Walsh.

    I'm sure we all are happier than a rat in a cheese factory that Isiah Thomas is gone, but replacing him with Donnie Walsh has to be another super idiotic move made by Knick owner Dolan.
    We all watched coaches and players make the Pacers into a top contender team and then quit on Donnie Walsh during his span as the Indiana Pacers President. That is a FACT....
    The is such thing as an "untradeable player". There is no such thing as an absolute "tradeable-player". Trading a player is just not matter of a simple swap. GMs know when you obtain a player there is a commitment to that said player. Monery must be spent on that player and if the player doesn't pan out the team is just losing money.

    You talk about Kwame and and Darko...well there respective moves took a long time to make happen. The oppurtunity was not there for those player to be traded and is certainly did not help that their play on the court was poor.

    Jeromoe James contract is expiring and the team that obtained him waived him. JJ was packaged with a player as well. "Untradeable" mere means very difficult to trade because of the players market value.

    Ripping Donnie Walsh is beyond me. The guy has been here for only a year and has a plan. Tha plan is getting under the cap. All other scenarios attached with that plan, Donnie will let play out. The Knicks may not land any player Lebron/Wade to player in 2010, but don't expect Donnie to make a move just so he'll do something that summer. He'll probably make adjustment to his plan and seek other opportunities.

    Bottom line the Knicks play on the court is secondary right now. I frankly I agree that the Salary caop should be priority.

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    Originally Posted by GetRealistic
    Well i'm still waiting for a concrete offer we recieved for Eddy Curry that Donnie Walsh turned down... Because everybody talks about this Curry for TMac thing but i hate to break it to ya... The Rockets young GM is one of the best gms in the league and would never take on Curry's contract.

    The only way to trade Curry is to get him playing and getting him playing semi effectively. People in forums suggest a lot of trades but the fact of the matter is 90 percent of the proposed trades are BS.. Thats why we're writing for forums not NBA GMs...

    The only thing that would make you happy is if we signed David Lee to a Max contract and somehow got Mardy Collins back.

    Why are u always mentioning the young players that I like on the Knicks?

    Donnie knew he had to showcase Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies, five months before training-camp, or get up off his chop and trade them in the 2008 offseason.
    I dont want to here about injuries, over weight, or being out of shape, when Donnie Walsh indirectly told all four players in heres open speech he was going to trade them when he mention his 2010 plan.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Why are u always mentioning the young players that I like on the Knicks?

    Donnie knew he had to showcase Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies, five months before training-camp, or get up off his chop and trade them in the 2008 offseason.
    I dont want to here about injuries, over weight, or being out of shape, when Donnie Walsh indirectly told all four players in heres open speech he was going to trade them when he mention his 2010 plan.
    English please.

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    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    English please.
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