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    Default Walsh will reach Isiah status if he doesnt obtain Tracey McGrady

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    Tracy McGrady and Rockets coach Rick Adelman had a heated closed-door meeting on Wednesday night, sources told Yahoo1 Sports.

    McGrady dressed in his uniform and underwent his pregame routine in Minneapolis on Wednesday even though he wasn't activated for game.

    Adelman was surprised to see McGrady dressed when the star returned to the locker room and a meeting between the pair took place in the coach's office soon after.

    Sources said the exchange was so loud that it could be heard in the locker room at times.

    McGrady reportedly feels as though Adelman has been uncommunicative as of late.

    "Tracy was just determined to make Rick talk to him," a source close to McGrady said. "That’s why he put on the uniform and went through all that. ... He wanted to get his attention. He'd like to know if he's wanted back or not."

    McGrady had major knee surgery in February and has been itching to get back on the court.

    "The trust has broken down between them," a source close to McGrady and Adelman said. "There's some work to be done there."


    T'Mac has the biggest expiring contract in the NBA.
    Another brightside is that he can relift his career in New York

    Houston needs a center with size since Yao is out for the season. Curry is that guy with all the potentional and doesn't even need to play defense(he can't if he tried) because Houston's frontcourt is so strong defensively.


    Check this trade out

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    Knicks send

    Nate Robinson
    Wilson Chandler
    Jared Jefferies
    David Lee
    Eddy Curry

    Rockets send
    Tracey McGrady
    Chase Budinger
    Brian Cook
    2010 1st round pick
    2011 2nd round pick


    Rockets
    PG - Brooks/Lowry/Robertson
    SG - Ariza/Taylor
    SF - Battier/Chandler
    PF - Lee/Landry/Hayes
    C - Scola/Curry/Anderson

    Why for Houston? They get 4 productive young players in Curry, Chandler, Robertson, and Lee...instantly boosting their offense and balancing out their team...increases more depth since Houston is a very injury prone team.


    Knicks
    PG - Duhon/Douglas
    SG - Hughes/Budginer
    SF - McGrady/Harrington
    PF - Gallinari/Cook
    C - Hill/Milicic

    Why for Knicks?
    They drop all of the players Isiah has touched, breaking the Knicks free of the Isiah Thomas curse and opening the door for the Knicks to enter the promise land of success.

    Drop two ugly contracts in Curry/Jefferies, get rid of overrated talent like Robinson, Lee, Curry.

    In return, get a superstar talent, and underrated sharpshooting rookie in Budinger, and add a legit 3pt shooter in Cook


    In 2010-11 you add Amare + Lebron, draft a pg in 2010 Draft (Kemba Walker)

    2010-11 Knicks
    PG - Walker/Douglas/Duhon
    SG - James/Budinger
    SF - McGrady/Harrington
    PF - Gallinari/Cook
    C - Hill/Milicic


    IONO, just an idea.

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    I doubt any team touches Curry, unfortunately. If Houston would agree to it, I'm all for it.

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    From ROTOWORLD:

    Tracy McGrady and Coach Rick Adelman on Friday both denied a Yahoo! Sports report that the two had engaged in a heated argument behind closed doors on Wednesday.


    McGrady said he put on his game uniform Wednesday, despite having no targeted date to return from a knee injury, because "I was excited. I put it on, like a little kid. It felt refreshing to put it on because it was in sight." Adelman said he simply reminded McGrady that he wouldn't play at least until after his Nov. 23 MRI, and that "We haven't had any arguments. He wants to know what we're going to do." Check back after Nov. 23 for updates.

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    ALSO, it appears coach D'ant soured on the idea:

    "Team president Donnie Walsh seemed sold on Iverson but objections from coach Mike D'Antoni and chairman James L. Dolan swayed the decision. D'Antoni and Dolan cited Iverson's volatility and believed he would be too great of a risk to team chemistry. So much for Iverson giving fantasy teams an unexpected boost next week, although he could end up with another team soon. But the Knicks sure looked like the perfect place for Iverson this season."

    Here's the NYT report:

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    [Only registered and activated users can see links. ], the Madison Square Garden chairman, was opposed to the move from the start, but had indicated to Walsh that he would not stand in the way if Walsh and D’Antoni were firmly in favor of signing Iverson. But as Walsh and D’Antoni deliberated, they came to the same conclusion. “We feel like that could hurt our development in the future,” Walsh said.

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    I'd do it. Buddinger is going to be a good player.

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    Look Metro I see your vision man, but every trade you propose has us giving Jared Jefferies and Curry in the same deal, we simply do not have any player that good that a team would take on our near 18 million in bad contracts.

    Imagine if you were a Houston fan would you take that package?

    It is likely that Walsh will not be able to obtain McGrady simply because we do not have much to offer. I mean if Hughes plays at the level he did against Indy for the next 15 games and we throw in Cuttino's contract then I guess it would be possible that they make the trade for financial gain.

    Cuttino
    Hughes

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    T-Mac

    But to reach "Isiah level" it is not about who you dont pickup, but what washed up over paid player you do get!

    Which come to think of it.... picking up T-Mac would be more of an Isiah move.

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    I think there's a chance to pawn Curry off on HOU. I hear what you're saying, but there is really a match here.

    FOR STARTERS- Mcgrady and his coach "nearly" came to blows the other night. HOU is playing "well" right now. They're trying. They do not want to have T-Mac disturb anything. He'll be dealt. AND, what better revenge than to banish TM to a team like the Knicks?

    Secondly, HOU needs a center to fill the void and hold down the paint this year (and part of next year) until Ming is healthy. AND, how knows, imagine Curry and Ming in 2010?

    Lastly, Curry's contract only runs one more year. We could send Mobely and that would save them 9-mil. In essence, they would only have to pay Curry for 1 year.

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    Metro.. I am down 100% with that trade... I hope and pray every night that something like that would happen.. We would be weak for the rest of the year... Oh wait, We already are weak.

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    I'm all for expiring contracts, but Tmac hasn't been considered a superstar in like 4 years. Plus he should suffer the consequences of the way he acted last season. Mailed it in all season long looking to get traded, then once he didn't like the fact that he wasn't really in demand, he goes ahead an initiates a season ending microfracture surgery 72 hours before the trade deadline. Too many players just dont want to accept the fact that they are no longer the stars of the league and they can't have things there way...(Just like his cousin Vince did to Toronto when he mailed in and admitted he didn't play hard any longer so he can get dealt)

    Just like the Iverson scenario, it seems Donnie doesn't want any player getting in the way of the development of the youngsters we have.

    For the love of Christ, Donnie better hope he signs LeBron. If we don't get to superstars this offseason, a solid role player (Which I hope Lee would be next year) and a much improved year of development from Gallinari, I don't even want to think about what we as fans waited so long for.

    This season is for the diehard Knick fans and basketball lovers. The only thing to root and keep a watch on is to see how the team develops its fundamentals, heart, and teamwork. Don't look at the standings or scoreboard, just look for the 3 things I just mentioned. Thats why only the purest of Knick fans will be watching, because its just not a reality to think we are gona go on a magical run.

    I want to see real ball players who love the game of basketball and respect the fans. Players with pride and guys who can function as a team. Thats what I want next season, and it will take this entire season for these guys to finally "get it"

    This season is a sunk cost.

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    Originally Posted by Starks
    I'm all for expiring contracts, but Tmac hasn't been considered a superstar in like 4 years. Plus he should suffer the consequences of the way he acted last season. Mailed it in all season long looking to get traded, then once he didn't like the fact that he wasn't really in demand, he goes ahead an initiates a season ending microfracture surgery 72 hours before the trade deadline. Too many players just dont want to accept the fact that they are no longer the stars of the league and they can't have things there way...(Just like his cousin Vince did to Toronto when he mailed in and admitted he didn't play hard any longer so he can get dealt)

    Just like the Iverson scenario, it seems Donnie doesn't want any player getting in the way of the development of the youngsters we have.

    For the love of Christ, Donnie better hope he signs LeBron. If we don't get to superstars this offseason, a solid role player (Which I hope Lee would be next year) and a much improved year of development from Gallinari, I don't even want to think about what we as fans waited so long for.

    This season is for the diehard Knick fans and basketball lovers. The only thing to root and keep a watch on is to see how the team develops its fundamentals, heart, and teamwork. Don't look at the standings or scoreboard, just look for the 3 things I just mentioned. Thats why only the purest of Knick fans will be watching, because its just not a reality to think we are gona go on a magical run.

    I want to see real ball players who love the game of basketball and respect the fans. Players with pride and guys who can function as a team. Thats what I want next season, and it will take this entire season for these guys to finally "get it"

    This season is a sunk cost.
    The only reason you take on T-Mac is to dump Curry's contract. Heck, you might be able to dump Jeffries along with Curry.

    If you act quickly, you can throw HOU a bone by including Mobely's 9 mil deal. SO, HOU would be dumping T-Mac's 22.8 mil salary this year for Curry-Mobley (20.4). However, Mobely's contract would be dropped b/c of the injury.... In essence, it would be T-Mac's 22.8 for 10.5 mil or so this year. They would be getting rid of T-Mac and saving about 12 million dollars. That's some deal for HOU! Sure, they would have to pay Curry 11 mil next year. BUT, they would have an asset in Curry, and something they need (a center until Ming returns).

    As for NY, they bring in T-Mac for the season and then are rid of him. That frees up 11 million more next year (which means Lebron + one).

    It's a deal that works for both teams.

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    I'm not sure about this, maybe somebody can verify, but I think Mobley's contract must be traded by the end of this month or else it's not worth anything.

    I think there is a rule that the insured contract only holds its value 1 year after the heart condition was diagnosed. Which would be in the next week or so. Then Mobley would essentialy be a retired player and his contract becomes null and void.

    So, unfortunately I think Mobley's contract is going to be a wasted asset.

    Too bad. It would have been a nice piece to package with Curry and ease the burden of a team taking on Curry's contract. This makes me think Curry will not (or cannot) be traded.

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    Originally Posted by Starks
    I'm all for expiring contracts, but Tmac hasn't been considered a superstar in like 4 years. Plus he should suffer the consequences of the way he acted last season. Mailed it in all season long looking to get traded, then once he didn't like the fact that he wasn't really in demand, he goes ahead an initiates a season ending microfracture surgery 72 hours before the trade deadline. Too many players just dont want to accept the fact that they are no longer the stars of the league and they can't have things there way...(Just like his cousin Vince did to Toronto when he mailed in and admitted he didn't play hard any longer so he can get dealt)

    Just like the Iverson scenario, it seems Donnie doesn't want any player getting in the way of the development of the youngsters we have.

    For the love of Christ, Donnie better hope he signs LeBron. If we don't get to superstars this offseason, a solid role player (Which I hope Lee would be next year) and a much improved year of development from Gallinari, I don't even want to think about what we as fans waited so long for.

    This season is for the diehard Knick fans and basketball lovers. The only thing to root and keep a watch on is to see how the team develops its fundamentals, heart, and teamwork. Don't look at the standings or scoreboard, just look for the 3 things I just mentioned. Thats why only the purest of Knick fans will be watching, because its just not a reality to think we are gona go on a magical run.

    I want to see real ball players who love the game of basketball and respect the fans. Players with pride and guys who can function as a team. Thats what I want next season, and it will take this entire season for these guys to finally "get it"

    This season is a sunk cost.

    I hear ya bro, I always watch every game unless something serious is happening (usually see at least 78/82) and I always will, even when they get spanked and lose non-stop. That said this is the most frustrated I've been because it seems pretty clear we're not going to look to improve much this season, so I have very little reason for optimism this year. I can look for heart, hustle, teamwork, etc, but so far I'll return mostly empty handed as I haven't seen alot of ass-busting from this group, at least not until their backs are against the wall. Also considering we aren't adding anyone, will probably have a terrible record, won't have a first round pick, and don't really have much now that will attract a star, I find if very very hard to believe many "superstars", most notably L James, will have much interest in signing in NYC. I'm not sold on the fame and fortune from endorsements deal, when you got millions upon millions I don't think that is enough of a factor to overlook everything else. Hopefully I am wrong. And someone else posted somewhere on here that it's a laugh that we are afraid of stunting the development of young players when Douglas and Hill don't even get decent minutes now, Gallinari doesn't get the rock and seems too one dimensional in early reviews, and Chandler looks like no more than a decent 3rd option for a good team. Now I hate to be a pessimist, I think Gallo's skill set is great and he could be great, but right now he hasn't shown me anywhere near enough. Thinking we don't need Iverson or others because we want to let Chandler and Gallo lead is gonna mean me switching from beer to moonshine or everclear

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    Houston would never take this trade. Their whole team is built on shooting the 3, and you giving them 0 pure 3 point shooters in this trade.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I'm not sure about this, maybe somebody can verify, but I think Mobley's contract must be traded by the end of this month or else it's not worth anything.

    I think there is a rule that the insured contract only holds its value 1 year after the heart condition was diagnosed. Which would be in the next week or so. Then Mobley would essentialy be a retired player and his contract becomes null and void.

    So, unfortunately I think Mobley's contract is going to be a wasted asset.

    Too bad. It would have been a nice piece to package with Curry and ease the burden of a team taking on Curry's contract. This makes me think Curry will not (or cannot) be traded.
    I believe Mobley's contract doesen't become null or void but it loses value with each game it passes because it save a team that get it now more money than it will save them in february lets say.

    In our eyes is a wasted asset but for fkin dolan is actualy a big saving. His contract is 9.5 mill but insurance pay 80% so that's 7.6 mill savings plus after a year from the date a player retires for medical conditions the team that employs him (only) can get his salary off that year cap which means another 9.5 mill in luxury tax savings for Dolan.

    That's about 17.1 mill in savings for Dolan so I don't think will see Mobley's contract go anywhere.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I'm not sure about this, maybe somebody can verify, but I think Mobley's contract must be traded by the end of this month or else it's not worth anything.

    I think there is a rule that the insured contract only holds its value 1 year after the heart condition was diagnosed. Which would be in the next week or so. Then Mobley would essentialy be a retired player and his contract becomes null and void.

    So, unfortunately I think Mobley's contract is going to be a wasted asset.

    Too bad. It would have been a nice piece to package with Curry and ease the burden of a team taking on Curry's contract. This makes me think Curry will not (or cannot) be traded.

    Damn man, I hope that isnt the case. I mean a 9 million dollar player could be a major lift for us! But I would hope if that was the case Walsh wouldve been a little more active in trade talks leading up to this week.

    But I do remember last year when he retired the reports stating how valuable the contract would be at this year's deadline.....but the media is often wrong!

    I think with a little luck we can trade Curry but maybe not this season, I think if he imporves and he keeps his weight down and stays on the court -big ifs-, we could dump him for a couple of second rounders to a team under the cap like OKC after July 1st. To me although OKC is under the cap, but they are not far enough under to land a major FA. Curry would look real good as a role player in the starting five wth Durant an Co.

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    Default Get Mcgrady for just this year

    We should get him just for this year.

    I was down with getting AI just because we need a leader on this team so we don't give Utah the #1 pick this year.

    I am against Mcgrady for long term unless he can play close to a full season. His injuries have been adding up in the past couple of years but he would be perfect for getting in exchange with any of our high priced players like if we can throw in Jeffries or hopefully Curry some day.

    Get Mcgrady for this year primarily, and we'll see from there but we should make this move if the reports are true.

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