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    Default Knicks Will Not Sign Iverson

    Knicks Will Not Sign Iverson

    Nov 20, 2009 10:19 AM EST

    The Knicks have decided not to sign Allen Iverson.

    The team had been considering whether to add Iverson to the roster after starting the season 2-9. As of Thursday evening, a deal appeared imminent. One source put the percentage likelihood of the Knicks signing Iverson in the high 90's.

    Knick owner James Dolan was reportedly hesitant about signing Iverson for the remainder of the season.

    Via Twitter (Howard Beck, New York Times)

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    I guess Dolan said no. Oh well.

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    I don't understand what source this is from, all the article says is Dolan was reportedly hesitant. That doesn't mean anything to me.

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    dolan is just hesitant because of all the ****ty deals we've had in the recent past and the fact that A.I. was trouble in Memphis. He wants donnie walsh AND D'antoni to sign off on this. They'll take their time, but i am thinking that by the end of the weekend AI WILL be a KNICK.

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    i definitely think they will sign him....or risk pissing off people who really wanted him (like dolan cares?

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    Default D'amnphony.

    The worst coach in the game, does not wanna look like an ass by signing Iverson to do what he thought his genius would help Duhon do. And he's makin too much money to upset him. donnie wanted Steph to at least play his last year, d'amphony said no. He probably did the same for AI.

    They dont care about the fans. Team is crap, and no one is signing here. The will blow all that cap space on second tier players and then we'll watc0h the Jazz get the #1 pick.

    Nice being a Knicks fan.

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    lol..everyone got all excited...knicks were relevant for about 3 days

    now back to nothingness...

    I guess Dolan was afraid AI would pull a sprewell on him

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    dam I Wanted Iverson We Need Him Now Dantoni Probably Said No Cause He Might Take ****ty Ass Duhon Spot **** Duhon He Will Never Be **** I Hate The Way He Plays Hes To Slow Hes Not Aggresive He Cant Shot He Has No Defense He Barely Got Any Court Vision Iverson Gots All That And Could Take Over A Game I Hate This Move Not To Sign Iverson.

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    Damn Larry Hughes for that one good game! LOL

    Cant miss something you never had. Wouldve made things interesting -in a lot of ways- but bottom line may have disrupted things more than it wouldve helped.

    I was interested but not all that sold.

    Truthfully we need a PG right now not another scoring guard

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    Donnie is right.

    the knicks already have a gimmick player on the team- NATE


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    This is retarded. You let Duhon play starter minutes that you could EASILY have given to AI. you ****ed this season for nothing but minutes for the young guys.

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    I think the fear Walsh has is that Iverson comes in and hogs the ball. I think in order for the Walsh plan to move fwd....Curry and Jeffries have to be dealt.

    Sure, if we bring in Iverson and let him run the offense.... We might win 35 games. Iverson-Hughes-Gallo-Lee-Curry makes for a decent starting 5. BUT, is winning 35 games worth it if it means we can't deal Curry?

    I think Walsh wants to run the offense through big Eddy. Pump up his value, drive up his stock and deal him the moment somebody makes a worthwhile offer. HECK, Walsh might even be ****y enough to think he may be able to get something more than just cap relief and escaping from Curry's 2010 committment- dare we say we also get a young player or a draft pick?

    OR... as somebody suggested.... Maybe Walsh received a phone call from another GM and hinted another deal could be possible (Ellis, Mcgrady, Bayless, Augustine)?

    Maybe even after 12-15 when we can deal Lee or N8?

    OR, perhaps the owner (Dolan) stepped in and killed the deal.

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    It was a long shot given how tight Walsh has been with Dolan's money, the Knicks would have had to pay double for him with the LT. AI would have been a rental player for this year and probably could have helped the Knicks this year but I guess Donnie is looking at 2010 and beyond.

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    hey, first post here, just joined the board, but a long time knicks fan.

    I think the question is what would the knicks have gained by signing AI for a year. I think walsh figured that even with AI this team probably wouldn't make the playoffs, so really what would you gain? a slightly less painful losing season and a few more wins.

    what would you lose? well, you'd have a player with a notoriously poor work ethic in your locker room alongside your prospects, and you'd have a constant distraction with at least the possibility of another marbury-like meltdown midseason. locker room turmoil and bad press and a player fueding with a coach all season is not exactly the best way to lure a top free agent next year.

    and you'd probably end up drafting lower next year if you did manage to move up from 13-15 in the east to (at most) 9-11.

    unless you really thought that AI would be enough to drag this team in to the playoffs, there didn't seem to be much point.

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    There was no excuse to not sign Iverson other than Mike D/Dolan did not want another Stephon Marbury type of attitude/ or type of player. I wanted marbury to play and he didn't get a minute, now I want Iverson to be a Knick and there is no possible way. Donnie said he doesn't want to hurt the development of the young player when you dont have to take away minutes from any young players! AND Mike D is not even playing Douglas or Jordan Hill, so what development are we speaking of?!?!?!

    Take away minutes from Duhon! It's not that hard. And to mention Eddy Curry as an "important" piece for the future was the biggest hunk of B.S Donnie has said since being here. Eddy is here to showcase and be traded, nothing more. If anything Iverson would have dished Curry better passes and made Curry look better. Iverson would have cost a veterans minimum of 1.4 million, Duhon is making 6 million this year, I am disgusted with this move.

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    Thumbs down Eddy gives credit where it's due, but he's still a ****tard

    The New York Knickerbockers are playing with fire and it might continue to burn past 2010 if plans to renovate fail next summer. I give them credit for not signing Allen Iverson, but I sense they in turn will face the same fate when LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire stay at home or land somewhere else next season.
    They backed off Iverson for one simple reason: Mike D’Antoni did his homework by calling around to former coaches and that sealed the deal for a player that has failed to realize what is happening to him is not personal. It’s a message that his time at the top of the food chain is over. He is not first in line anymore. Although being the fourth, fifth of sixth option can still pay the bills, he would rather be sitting at home than play backup to a young player. Why did he think Jerry Stackhouse fought him tooth and nail his rookie year when Iverson took over 1,500 shots? This NBA is a young man’s game and when the Association feels like it’s time to move you to the backseat, you have two choices – put your seat belt on and let someone else learn to drive or get out.
    I give the Knicks credit for understanding Iverson would not be the answer, but the same stubbornness Iverson exerts can best describe the organization and head coach Mike D’Antoni.
    The Knicks are riding into the summer of 2010 with the belief that James, Wade, Bosh or Stoudemire will join the Knicks.
    Why? Let’s see.
    New York is the Mecca of basketball, New York is a endorsement extravaganza, New York’s nightlife is second to none, New Yorkers understand the game better than most, if you win in New York you are held in high regard throughout the basketball universe, etcetera, etcetera.
    Those assumptions are correct if you win a title, but what New Yorkers must come to realize is that the draw of yesteryear is not here anymore. The Knicks got extremely close during the years of Patrick Ewing and since he left it has been a downward spiral. The idea of signing on as the savior and quite possibility facing the negative aspect of playing for the Knicks will scare any superstar including LeBron.
    These superstars also realize they will not win alone and that sucking up most of the salary cap will lock up the ability to put the right pieces around them. The Knicks, in their exuberance to cut costs, will probably lose the major talent they have in David Lee, thus leaving a star with a roster of question marks.
    Why would LeBron or Wade want to leave an environment where the fans understand their minor shortcomings and where they have teammates who know how to give them the space they need to perform?
    The only reason would be personal, but the scary scenario for the Knicks is that these two targets are as unselfish as they come and already have endorsements that will last a lifetime.
    Bosh and Stoudemire are big-time possibilities, but they already play in an up-tempo system. Bosh is having a career season with arguably one of the top 5 point guards in Jose Calderon. Amare is playing with Steve Nash, who is the reason we talk about 7 Seconds or Less.
    The Knicks have dug a serious hole in terms of perception. The only way out would be to change the type of basketball they play and prove to James and Wade that they have solid players to surround them in a system conducive to their abilities.
    Maybe there would be a chance, but that depends on the Knicks other stubborn problem.
    Mike D’Antoni is a very good coach, but his stubbornness in sticking with a system that is weak without Steve Nash, Chris Paul, Deron Williams or (oops!) Brandon Jennings will lead to failure. He needs to change and he has yet to give in to the thought. He has to recognize that LeBron and Wade like to lope and then explode. They don’t play fast constantly and they would struggle playing with guys who jack up three-point shots with 20 seconds on the shot clock. They like to facilitate and control the action and not being allowed to do so would cause major problems.
    D’Antoni has a piece in Eddy Curry that could allow him to prove he can integrate a controlled offense.
    Even the Phoenix Suns, who are back to the run-and-gun style, are only winning because they are not trying to run for the full 48 minutes. They are incorporating a good half-court offense, rebounding and focusing more on defense.
    The Knicks will probably win less than 20 games this season (**** you Eddy. You Euro hating faggot) and that is why D’Antoni should start showing that he can indeed become a more versatile coach. He has to realize that LeBron and Wade understand you will not win a championship if defense is not a focal point. He has to give them a glimpse of who they might be possibly playing with. Again, the thought of frustrated New York fans will strike fear in any great player.
    I believe James and Wade will stay where they are and Bosh will become the Knicks’ main target. I love the growth and abilities of Bosh, but who wants to sign with a team knowing Knick fans will be irate and despondent over not adding James and Wade?
    Donnie Walsh is one the most respected general managers ever, but I would really hate to be in his shoes next summer.
    Last edited by Crazy⑧s; Dec 22, 2009 at 11:47. Reason: spelling....... AGAIN!

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