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    Nyk Logo We should keep Hughes

    I know everyone just wants to dump the veterans because most of them are horrible but we should double check Larry Hughes. He is an overall good player. He can hit his shots, has range, plays defense by racking up steals, has a good awareness on the floor, and has shown a good ability to pass the ball. Don't forget he has been rebounding the ball surprisingly well.

    Getting Hughes for a cheap deal next year and plugging him as a role player would be beneficial to our team. We need smart players that can play at both ends of the court and Hughes mainly creates fast brakes with his steals.

    What does everyone think about signing Hughes to a cheap one year deal for next year and letting him be a main role player?

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    cant predict anything



    does not matter

    I mean realistically

    we could have a roster of

    Joe johnson

    Dirk

    Gallo

    Chandler

    Duhon

    douglas

    Hill

    blah blah blah blah

    im drunk


    forget hughes


    bite me

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    He's going to go where the money is at...

    I don't think he's committed to the Knicks to the point where he'll take less than his worth for the sake of the team.

    I just hate this whole team.

    Now if I can get this smiley () to dump his Knicks banner in a trash bin...that would be hysterical!! Who's nice with the Graphics?

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    I like Hughes the most of our vet guards (Hughes, Duhon, N8). I He plays defense, gets people involved, he can rebound, and will score when he's "on."

    Leaving Curry & Jeffries aside, these four have chances to return next year: David Lee, Larry Hughes, Al Harrington & Darko Milicic.

    DAVIFD LEE as the most talent but I just don't see the Knicks retaining his services. So far this year, he's taken a big step backwards. He just doesn't really impact games when it counts and his defense is a major liability. I think the moment they drafted Jordan Hill, Lee was a goner. If nobody wants to pay him money (and he wont be getting anything close to a max deal) I could see the Knicks scooping him up for about 6-7 mil a year (depending on what shakes down in free agency)- but this is a LONG shot.

    AL HARRINGTON seems like the ideal candidate, of the four, to place your bet on to be the one to return. He likes the system, is a local boy, likes Walsh, and seems willing to take less to be in the right situation. He is a solid 6th man, bringing offense off the bench. The only question is what Al wants: If he wants the most money, then he too is a goner. If he's willing to work with Walsh, I'm sure they'll find a way to slip him 4-5 mil a year for 4-5 years (or something.

    LARRY HUGHES is in the same boat as AL. Having Hughes and Douglas serve as the backup guards, is a good thing for a championship caliber team. Having a savvy vet who plays defense and can score, as well as facilitate-distribute; compliments having a young, budding combo guard who can score and play defense. The problem is (unlike Harrington) will Hughes be successful as the 2nd guard coming off the bench, and possibly seeing dwindling playing time? I would welcome him back if he's accepting of his reserve role.

    Darko Milicic is a work in project and gets an incomplete right now. He suffers b/c we are focused on dumping Jared Jeffries somewhere. This is taking Darko's playing time away. Unless we see something by the end of the year, I have to wonder if he has any worth?

    It all comes to this: one way or another, either Darko or Jeffries will return next year. We need a backup center. Only on stays though. Of the other 3, I think we only keep one (Lee, Harrington & Hughes).

    I wonder who is easier to retain? I mean, LEE will be seeking more money. SO, while he seems like the obvious choice to flee, it may come down to the fact that nobody wants to pay him. Meanwhile, a role player like Hughes and Harrington aren't seeking max deals, so some team might pay them a little extra to lure them in. In the end, we need to fill roster spots, and we'll have money to sign one of these 3.

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    Lightbulb Blow the team apart.

    Originally Posted by mafra
    I like Hughes the most of our vet guards (Hughes, Duhon, N8). I He plays defense, gets people involved, he can rebound, and will score when he's "on."

    Leaving Curry & Jeffries aside, these four have chances to return next year: David Lee, Larry Hughes, Al Harrington & Darko Milicic.

    DAVIFD LEE as the most talent but I just don't see the Knicks retaining his services. So far this year, he's taken a big step backwards. He just doesn't really impact games when it counts and his defense is a major liability. I think the moment they drafted Jordan Hill, Lee was a goner. If nobody wants to pay him money (and he wont be getting anything close to a max deal) I could see the Knicks scooping him up for about 6-7 mil a year (depending on what shakes down in free agency)- but this is a LONG shot.

    AL HARRINGTON seems like the ideal candidate, of the four, to place your bet on to be the one to return. He likes the system, is a local boy, likes Walsh, and seems willing to take less to be in the right situation. He is a solid 6th man, bringing offense off the bench. The only question is what Al wants: If he wants the most money, then he too is a goner. If he's willing to work with Walsh, I'm sure they'll find a way to slip him 4-5 mil a year for 4-5 years (or something.

    LARRY HUGHES is in the same boat as AL. Having Hughes and Douglas serve as the backup guards, is a good thing for a championship caliber team. Having a savvy vet who plays defense and can score, as well as facilitate-distribute; compliments having a young, budding combo guard who can score and play defense. The problem is (unlike Harrington) will Hughes be successful as the 2nd guard coming off the bench, and possibly seeing dwindling playing time? I would welcome him back if he's accepting of his reserve role.

    Darko Milicic is a work in project and gets an incomplete right now. He suffers b/c we are focused on dumping Jared Jeffries somewhere. This is taking Darko's playing time away. Unless we see something by the end of the year, I have to wonder if he has any worth?

    It all comes to this: one way or another, either Darko or Jeffries will return next year. We need a backup center. Only on stays though. Of the other 3, I think we only keep one (Lee, Harrington & Hughes).

    I wonder who is easier to retain? I mean, LEE will be seeking more money. SO, while he seems like the obvious choice to flee, it may come down to the fact that nobody wants to pay him. Meanwhile, a role player like Hughes and Harrington aren't seeking max deals, so some team might pay them a little extra to lure them in. In the end, we need to fill roster spots, and we'll have money to sign one of these 3.
    If the plan goes ahead this off-season, we won't be able to afford Lee. Not unless he takes on a very low salary compared to what he'll no doubt ask for.

    At this stage, you'll have to choose only 1 of the aforementioned like you say. I'd go for Harrington I think if I had to choose, but that signing would be really circumstantial.

    Lee's defense just doesn't win games. And whether or not his rebounds do is another factor that goes down to circumstance.

    Knowing Harrington, I think he'll be asking for some pretty serious $ at the end of the year.

    Basically, I think we'll be going the full revamp.... hardly a face to recognize from this year bar the youngsters and Curry + maybe Jefferies?

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    I would like to see us keep Al and hughes, But more likely that we'll see douglas, gallo, hill, curry, chandler back again.

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    cant predict anything



    does not matter

    I mean realistically

    we could have a roster of

    Joe johnson

    Dirk

    Gallo

    Chandler

    Duhon

    douglas

    Hill

    blah blah blah blah

    im drunk


    forget hughes


    bite me
    So dude... I've gone thru and had a look at some of the avatars for you to select from for our little challenge and I must say...... Some are lacking in taste... And that's a nice way of putting it... You do recall don't you? I won't be needing to refresh you and everyone else about our agreement?

    Ha!

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    Default Hughes need minutes in a row, not in and out all game

    He knows he the best defender, Hughes is only 30, but has a dozen years in league, most the players can't handle his passes (he is good). Better point guard than Duhon. Always has to play 35 minutes to find his touch, D'A pulls anyone that gets hot, Hughes 1st , Robinson 3rd quarter. Whats the story with benching Al for the first 5-7 minutes of each game, he losses 5-7 points there alone. Hughes will probably go to the Wizards, he loved it there. The coach had to play him due to injuries, he was DNP, then Hughes got them a couple wins. Today he got pissed, and was shaking his head when he got pulled.
    The substitutions when they are on a run is killing the team. Robinson good have dropped a three pointer in the fourth quarter or overtime. I don't get it, sure they are not going far, but this coach is costing us wins. The Duhon and Galo love is going to far, let Duhon find his shot in practice, not 10 games over 30 minutes and not over 10 points, plus poor defense. Hughes is making 17 million this year, not all from Knicks, but he could be an excellent backup at the point, two guard or a small forward. Put in and out play for most this guys is killing the team.

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    Originally Posted by BlackH20
    He knows he the best defender, Hughes is only 30, but has a dozen years in league, most the players can't handle his passes (he is good). Better point guard than Duhon. Always has to play 35 minutes to find his touch, D'A pulls anyone that gets hot, Hughes 1st , Robinson 3rd quarter. Whats the story with benching Al for the first 5-7 minutes of each game, he losses 5-7 points there alone. Hughes will probably go to the Wizards, he loved it there. The coach had to play him due to injuries, he was DNP, then Hughes got them a couple wins. Today he got pissed, and was shaking his head when he got pulled.
    The substitutions when they are on a run is killing the team. Robinson good have dropped a three pointer in the fourth quarter or overtime. I don't get it, sure they are not going far, but this coach is costing us wins. The Duhon and Galo love is going to far, let Duhon find his shot in practice, not 10 games over 30 minutes and not over 10 points, plus poor defense. Hughes is making 17 million this year, not all from Knicks, but he could be an excellent backup at the point, two guard or a small forward. Put in and out play for most this guys is killing the team.
    Nate isn't even remotely a good 3pt shooter...If you want someone to shoot threes, get a pure shooter in there, like Gallo.

    Nate is hot and cold, with the majority of his time spent on the cold side.

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    Are you watching the same games I'm watching? The guy is selfish and is padding his stats to get his last contract. Just last night he bricked a three got the rebound and brick it again. He shots every time he gets the rock, let me give you another example. It was a 2 on 1 with Gallo, this idiot instead of giving it up he goes up for a contested layup. I could count the times he passes the ball back once he has it, I really don't get. Get Douglas on the floor and sit this loser on the bench. I can't believe you people think that we can develop Gallinari, Hill, or Douglas with Hughes, Harrington just putting shots up for the hell of it.

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    Default Who Else Is Going To Shoot?

    Originally Posted by Arod2k9
    Are you watching the same games I'm watching? The guy is selfish and is padding his stats to get his last contract. Just last night he bricked a three got the rebound and brick it again. He shots every time he gets the rock, let me give you another example. It was a 2 on 1 with Gallo, this idiot instead of giving it up he goes up for a contested layup. I could count the times he passes the ball back once he has it, I really don't get. Get Douglas on the floor and sit this loser on the bench. I can't believe you people think that we can develop Gallinari, Hill, or Douglas with Hughes, Harrington just putting shots up for the hell of it.
    -Hughes drives to the basket more than other players on this team and actually can draw fouls.
    -Hughes is a good passer and can take over as a decent PG if Duhon is failing like always.
    -Hughes has brains which everyone except Douglas does not.
    -Hughes contributes more on defense than anyone else on the team.

    Why does Hughes "supposedly" jack up shots?

    Who else is going to shoot?

    -Gallo does not know how to get open
    -Harrington bricks more than anybody and is a ball hog
    -Duhon is shooting 1%
    -Douglas never plays
    -Hill never plays
    -Jeffries made 10 three's in the pre season and has not made one since.
    -Nate has been ice cold.
    -Chandler has been failing as a breakout SF and is the dumbest player we have, and can't make shots unless he is 10 feet from the hoop
    -Landry has a decent shot but never plays
    -Curry has shown signs of his old offensive post game but recently has just thrown up shots and is always trying to draw fouls that never come, resulting in turnovers.

    So tell me who else is going to score on this team????

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    -Hughes drives to the basket more than other players on this team and actually can draw fouls.
    -Hughes is a good passer and can take over as a decent PG if Duhon is failing like always.
    -Hughes has brains which everyone except Douglas does not.
    -Hughes contributes more on defense than anyone else on the team.

    Why does Hughes "supposedly" jack up shots?

    Who else is going to shoot?

    -Gallo does not know how to get open
    -Harrington bricks more than anybody and is a ball hog
    -Duhon is shooting 1%
    -Douglas never plays
    -Hill never plays
    -Jeffries made 10 three's in the pre season and has not made one since.
    -Nate has been ice cold.
    -Chandler has been failing as a breakout SF and is the dumbest player we have, and can't make shots unless he is 10 feet from the hoop
    -Landry has a decent shot but never plays
    -Curry has shown signs of his old offensive post game but recently has just thrown up shots and is always trying to draw fouls that never come, resulting in turnovers.

    So tell me who else is going to score on this team????
    I thought the idea was to sacrifice wins for the development of the young players we have! BTW and not even saying we have a core like the Thunder that have Durant, Westbrook, Green, Harden. But in Hill, Gallinari, Douglas and Chandler we have to see what we got in them. I want us to win but we haven't gone after free agents for at least one season so why have guys that want to pad their stats up. Instead of taking all those shots, become a facilitator and pass the damn ball to Gallinari when he's hot, or Hill when he's in the post. I really believe that the reason the Bulls benched and traded Hughes to us were for those same reasons I have mentioned. You can't develop Tyrus Thomas and Noah with Hughes as one of your lead guards. The guy is selfish and is out to get his, watch the game tonight you'll see. No doubt he can score and is a good player, however in this team which is rebuilding he shouldn't play the way he is playing. He should deferred to others that need the opportunity to succeed. The way some people are talking about Hughes you might think he's in Pippen's category.

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    Default Why would one even compare the two players?

    Originally Posted by TunerAddict
    Nate isn't even remotely a good 3pt shooter...If you want someone to shoot threes, get a pure shooter in there, like Gallo.

    Nate is hot and cold, with the majority of his time spent on the cold side.
    If I had to play for the most wins this year, I would take Hughes.
    Gallo is not that great of an all around player at the least.
    First, he is a forward, actually he should be a center on the team now, but he can not jump. He is 6 foot 9, I can tell you that Lee is about 6 foot 7 at best.

    A point is a point and pulling the defense out of the paint is not a huge strategy with a 6 foot 7 center, would you agree?

    Hughes gives you as many points per minute as Gallo? Hughes also takes more points away from the other side of the score board with defense. Why does Hughes have to guard Lebron, would not Gallo be a better match with size and greatness?

    How about Vince Carter? D-Wade, Kobe, Gallo does not get one tough assignment and fans get to stuck on his big three point shooting like Robinson? They will give you 5-7 three pointers, but the guy they guarding is getting 30 points, 5 more than them. Who cares if they are 3 pointers, 2 pointers, slashes and lay ups. Gallo can not dribble, but tries to show off between his legs and turns the ball over. He is a pure jump shooter so far with bad back. No interest from other teams. Look at Daniel "Booby" Gibson on Cleveland two years ago, then look last year? Hows that for three pointers?

    Look, if you think Gallo will make it a dozen years in this league like Hughes, you have little knowledge of the game. Court vision, ball control, speed, defense and ball movement has kept Hughes in the game, never his Three Point Game? Earning 60 million over the past five years, he did something right and he is only 30. I say he plays another 3-5 years more off the bench.

    Now, go to the other end of the court, is Gallo is poor on defense? A great defender? Can Gallo play the guard spot, like Lebron does, or Kobe? That would be a great night, Earl Boykins could tear him up.

    Can Hughes at 6 foot 5 play the small forward, yes, he has already proven it. Can he play the point? Yes, won the Eastern Division with Cleveland a few years back as their point guard when Eric Snow went down. Not even his natural position, but played right through Chauncey Billips and Detroit.

    Comparing the two is crazy anyway. You run with Gallo and see if he develops, but a back surgery on a big player like him has never played well in the NBA at his young age, you can just see his movements are not very fluid, he is one stiff player with a good 3 pointer, but has his off nights just as Hughes does shooting.

    Hughes dishes Gallo, Lee, Harrington so many great assist it is music, don't you watch or go to the games? He is not the future of the Knicks, but he pulled them out of loosing in every win this year.

    Compare Gallo and Lee, then you got a valid discussion. You take Gallo, you got a big risk. Get a real center for this team, let David Lee play the 3 or 4 position and you have one great hard working forward, who will give you double double's all year long (he does it as the smallest center in the league already, with no complaints, boxes out so well and has great foot work). David Lee worked his tail off and played all four years at Florida versus coming out as a junior and made it in the NBA. 98% of kids would never have the desire and commitment to the game as David Lee. Believe me, Lee did not have to worry about income and I doubt is over 6 foot 7.

    So who do you take, Lee or Gallo? Go read stats, other than pure NBA stats and see who contributes to the teams wins. When you look at a game, look how many assist are tough, sharp passes. Look at the defensive assignments? Who gets the number one scorer on the other team (Hughes on Kobe, Gallo should maybe take him?). How many turnovers a game?
    How many steals? How many times is Gallo's player left wide open and his is 15 feet away? What does the team do when the player is on the court?
    Lead increases, goes down, stays even? Basketball is like Church, many attend, but few understand. Defensive players do not get much credit, no one even gave out awards until around 1979 for defensive player of the year. But that is why Hughes is still playing, never for his low thirties 3 point average for a dozen years. Is he taking minutes from Gallo? No way. Most fans are interested in just points or three pointers like you.
    The win column is the only thing that counts at the end of the year.

    I would like you to explain the comparison a 2 or 1 guard versus using Gallo?

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    13 mln is too much for Larry's abilities, even if he had some good games last time. He is on the 30 top nba salaries... Chris Paul has also 13 mln contract this year, compare these guards with their price. On the other hands Hughes should try his best because nyk could resigne from his service next year ( we should also remember that his role is a result of Mobley retirement ), maybe that made his attitude recently quite good, BTW another profit for NYK a.k.a. Next Year Knocking down team
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    Default Hughes et.

    It is premature to consider whether Hughes or any one of our expiring contract players will be with us in 2010. In order to maximize our under the cap space for front line free agents, we have to reduce our "Team Salary." In order to do that we will renounce our Bird Rights to the expiring contract players. Then we play with our cap space. Our first choices will not be Lee, Hughes, Harrington or Duhon. If we sign a free agent to a max contract, and assuming Curry and Jefferies are still with us, there is not going to be much left.

    We will be better off trading our expiring contract performers for some other teams' expiring contract deadwood plus some low priced but promising young players or draft choices. Hughes, Harrngton,, Lee etc will still be free agents in 2010, but if traded to other teams, the other teams will have their Bird rights.
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