D'Antoni should not be coaching in the NBA
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BlackH20
Benchwarmer
D'Antoni is not worth being paid the highest salary
No, he did not get dealt a loosing hand, he got dealt $6 million to win and build a team. Jordan Hill pick, a bust, sticking with Duhon for 60% of the season, a bust, having Curry (before injury and loosing 30lbs), Robinson, benched for a month and fined 25K, Hughes, who all ask to be moved is a basic failure to gain team chemistry (this team has none). Having yourself quoted in the NY Post that your favorite player is Chris Duhon and David Lee is coming up close, is poor for a coach, then punish players for any comments by a 30 day pine ride (both Robinson and Hughes was almost exactly 30 days to the date.
Don't bench players a month when your putting in print your favorites.
Duhon and Gallo play for too many minutes. They have bad nights, but rather than play a player that is in his dog house, he take the loss.
This team is no contender, but easily could have 5-7 more wins with playing more guards and having your number one draft pick (a top ten) give some contribution in the first year (when your poor as the Knicks).
Other top ten picks are giving way more contributions on better teams. That pick is on Wash and D'Antoni's watch. Hill would not compete at the combines, with only six years of organized basketball and one year suspension in High School for bad grades, you have to wonder how much work was done for your number one pick. Let's put it this way, who could you get for him? Not many of the other top 20 picks. D'Antoni has 81 nights to start over and listen to his coaches (one his brother, with only high school coaching experience on his resume). D'Antoni was not elected to this job. Robinson would have given you two to three wins in December, Hughes if played 20-30 minutes, showed you what he could do for the team, play the best defense, at getting the team out of the terrible start after he was DNP for the first 3-4 games. He lead the league in steals and score over 10 points a game even this year with never knowing when he his going to play. Duhon had never reached that mark in his career, plays poor defense, has been shut out (zero points) in numerous games and is on the court more than every Knick except David Lee. Lee was not signed for more than one year, another big error, he will command more and the Knicks could have got him much cheaper, another huge mistake. Harrington is a great second tier player, but has to come off the bench, he won't be back to play here. Games are lost for D'Antoni to make a point, the point unfortunately is made with players that will not be here next year, so they could give a shit. They are proven vets that are going to play next year, period. Worse than that, are well connected in the NBA, many players are very close, and the word is out on D'Antoni. They are second tier players, but have 5-12 years experience in the league, all way more than the average under 4 years of a NBA player. This is going to play very big because players are not going to want to play in this system next year, this is where D'Antoni should have been selling himself to attract players, but he failed, he failed on the court, he failed in the press, Lebron is tight with Hughes, as is at least 6 other NBA vets. Rookies see that they do not play in his system, none have with any consistency. So what has he accomplished? NOTHING A record that is worse than recent previous years. A team that does not care for him, a first for him, but that is what loosing does to a coach, make him power hungry.
There are 29 other teams that are way closer and made significant progress in the last 24 months (like Memphis) that are going to attract players. A cap is a cap, and you are not going to assemble a superstar and 4 new players with this coaching mess this year. Too much player/coach problems. Hughes makes 200K a night, the Knicks pay about 80% of that. Why did you bring him here? DEFENSE So why get in a pissing match in the press with a 12 year veteran that started with Michael Jordan and Lebron James? Robinson is loved by the fans, is enthusiastic, gives you everything he has, sure, he goes overboard, but it is a lot easier to bring a guy down, than get one going, you don't bench him for a month of the season. One shot at the wrong basket and talking to Dwight Howard about the dunk contest before a game got him 30 days of pine and a 25K fine (ya, it's 25 bucks to you and I), but believe me, Robinson is out of here. Hughes is at the end of a long career, Douglas is not ready, so go with Duhon another year, PLEASE.
Lee will play his position, Forward, probably gone, but does love the city.
Harrington, not a fan, Chandler you have to keep. Jeffries? You want 4ppg average to improve. This team is screwed, sure it wasn't pretty, but tell me one thing this coach did to make next year better? Is that worth 6 million? No Sir, this guy just lowered his stock. He could of had Chicago and a team on track, but he wanted the money, now he is screwed, watch this summer, the deals won't come easy and there is going to have to be a lot of promises on minutes before second tier players, which is mandatory to win anything, are not coming here. With that, neither will superstars. Lebron has a way better cast now, why come here? You can not assemble what he has now, you should have over the last two years, but he has failed. :afro: I listen to many games with other teams broadcast crew, and much of this is talked about quite a bit. Knicks announcers won't for he will not grant them interviews and they are employed by the team. Clyde has said some things about Robinson and Hughes not being handled well, but Clyde has stones.
No, he did not get dealt a loosing hand, he got dealt $6 million to win and build a team. Jordan Hill pick, a bust, sticking with Duhon for 60% of the season, a bust, having Curry (before injury and loosing 30lbs), Robinson, benched for a month and fined 25K, Hughes, who all ask to be moved is a basic failure to gain team chemistry (this team has none). Having yourself quoted in the NY Post that your favorite player is Chris Duhon and David Lee is coming up close, is poor for a coach, then punish players for any comments by a 30 day pine ride (both Robinson and Hughes was almost exactly 30 days to the date.
Don't bench players a month when your putting in print your favorites.
Duhon and Gallo play for too many minutes. They have bad nights, but rather than play a player that is in his dog house, he take the loss.
This team is no contender, but easily could have 5-7 more wins with playing more guards and having your number one draft pick (a top ten) give some contribution in the first year (when your poor as the Knicks).
Other top ten picks are giving way more contributions on better teams. That pick is on Wash and D'Antoni's watch. Hill would not compete at the combines, with only six years of organized basketball and one year suspension in High School for bad grades, you have to wonder how much work was done for your number one pick. Let's put it this way, who could you get for him? Not many of the other top 20 picks. D'Antoni has 81 nights to start over and listen to his coaches (one his brother, with only high school coaching experience on his resume). D'Antoni was not elected to this job. Robinson would have given you two to three wins in December, Hughes if played 20-30 minutes, showed you what he could do for the team, play the best defense, at getting the team out of the terrible start after he was DNP for the first 3-4 games. He lead the league in steals and score over 10 points a game even this year with never knowing when he his going to play. Duhon had never reached that mark in his career, plays poor defense, has been shut out (zero points) in numerous games and is on the court more than every Knick except David Lee. Lee was not signed for more than one year, another big error, he will command more and the Knicks could have got him much cheaper, another huge mistake. Harrington is a great second tier player, but has to come off the bench, he won't be back to play here. Games are lost for D'Antoni to make a point, the point unfortunately is made with players that will not be here next year, so they could give a shit. They are proven vets that are going to play next year, period. Worse than that, are well connected in the NBA, many players are very close, and the word is out on D'Antoni. They are second tier players, but have 5-12 years experience in the league, all way more than the average under 4 years of a NBA player. This is going to play very big because players are not going to want to play in this system next year, this is where D'Antoni should have been selling himself to attract players, but he failed, he failed on the court, he failed in the press, Lebron is tight with Hughes, as is at least 6 other NBA vets. Rookies see that they do not play in his system, none have with any consistency. So what has he accomplished? NOTHING A record that is worse than recent previous years. A team that does not care for him, a first for him, but that is what loosing does to a coach, make him power hungry.
There are 29 other teams that are way closer and made significant progress in the last 24 months (like Memphis) that are going to attract players. A cap is a cap, and you are not going to assemble a superstar and 4 new players with this coaching mess this year. Too much player/coach problems. Hughes makes 200K a night, the Knicks pay about 80% of that. Why did you bring him here? DEFENSE So why get in a pissing match in the press with a 12 year veteran that started with Michael Jordan and Lebron James? Robinson is loved by the fans, is enthusiastic, gives you everything he has, sure, he goes overboard, but it is a lot easier to bring a guy down, than get one going, you don't bench him for a month of the season. One shot at the wrong basket and talking to Dwight Howard about the dunk contest before a game got him 30 days of pine and a 25K fine (ya, it's 25 bucks to you and I), but believe me, Robinson is out of here. Hughes is at the end of a long career, Douglas is not ready, so go with Duhon another year, PLEASE.
Lee will play his position, Forward, probably gone, but does love the city.
Harrington, not a fan, Chandler you have to keep. Jeffries? You want 4ppg average to improve. This team is screwed, sure it wasn't pretty, but tell me one thing this coach did to make next year better? Is that worth 6 million? No Sir, this guy just lowered his stock. He could of had Chicago and a team on track, but he wanted the money, now he is screwed, watch this summer, the deals won't come easy and there is going to have to be a lot of promises on minutes before second tier players, which is mandatory to win anything, are not coming here. With that, neither will superstars. Lebron has a way better cast now, why come here? You can not assemble what he has now, you should have over the last two years, but he has failed. :afro: I listen to many games with other teams broadcast crew, and much of this is talked about quite a bit. Knicks announcers won't for he will not grant them interviews and they are employed by the team. Clyde has said some things about Robinson and Hughes not being handled well, but Clyde has stones.
First off....knowing Dantoni's NBA career as a headcoach was a fluke in the air when we hired him....after 1 and a half season in New York. Mike Dantoni does not have the potential or wit to be a managing NBA headcoach.
At least not in New York, with young aspiring rookies or expensive veteran players which the NBA is full of.
The Phoenix Suns was Jason Kidd's "run n gun" team to rule and make all the decision-making on the court and off the court (lockerroom).
Kidd had tandem up with Shaun Marion and the Suns became the "Kidd & Matrix" show.
The beating of the wife....made the Suns Marion's team when they gave him $16M per for 6 years. When Marbury joined Phoenix, Dantoni was assistant coach in Denver. Dantoni's coaching in Denver was so inferior Dantoni had to go back to Italy for a year.
When Dantoni joined the Phoenix Suns as assistant coach the team was already a consecutive playoff team with one of the highest salary caps in the league. Dantoni 2nd season as assistant coach with the Suns the team got off to the worst start in their history and fired the headcoach inwhich Dantoni became the interim coach.
Suns Managment started down sizing by putting all the high expensive players (Chambers, Penny, and Marbury) on the "Trading-Block" except for the strong leadership of Shaun Matrix Marion whom had the highest minutes played each season that Dantoni was the headcoach of the Phoenix Suns.....so the obvious is right there on whom directed, made the decision-making on the court at crunchtime, and controlled the teammates in the lockerroom.
Nash & Finley was good in Dallas, but Nash & Marion was great....like the Kidd & Matrix show...
Scipio
Benchwarmer
The point that I`d like to make for your viewing is the following:
When you have less talented players like the Knicks then that is when a good caoch really shows his talent and ability.
When you are coaching a top team then the coach and his talents are needed less because the players on the court can make things happen for themselves.
With the Knicks roster the coach really needs to show his abilities by improving those players and improving the team. D`Antoni is not doing that, his short rotation is ridiculous, his substitutions are a joke. There are plenty of not great NBA rosters out there who are playing better than you would think, why? Because their coach has the talent to improve the players, improve the atmosphere around the players. Look how D`Antoni picks on certain players to sit them down whilst others start no matter how bad they play. That will generate disrespect and unrest amongst those players who are not playing merely because the coach is picking on them.
When you have less talented players like the Knicks then that is when a good caoch really shows his talent and ability.
When you are coaching a top team then the coach and his talents are needed less because the players on the court can make things happen for themselves.
With the Knicks roster the coach really needs to show his abilities by improving those players and improving the team. D`Antoni is not doing that, his short rotation is ridiculous, his substitutions are a joke. There are plenty of not great NBA rosters out there who are playing better than you would think, why? Because their coach has the talent to improve the players, improve the atmosphere around the players. Look how D`Antoni picks on certain players to sit them down whilst others start no matter how bad they play. That will generate disrespect and unrest amongst those players who are not playing merely because the coach is picking on them.
With D'Antoni around the Knicks might not be able to attract a star. He's not winning, he's not playing his vaunted SSOL because he doesn't have the personnel, he's pissed off a lot of players with his benchings and playing time. D'Antoni sure hasn't made this an attractive place to play from a coaching perspective.
The three highlighted coaches above BUILT their championship teams by knowing what it takes to out beat the better teams in the league that season in a series, plus by making decent-players into role-players, role-players into star-players, star-players into all-star-players, and all-star-players into Super-Star-Players.
Coach Rick Carlisle to a mediocre team of bums and won 50 games
Coach Nate McMillian took a young mediocre team and won 50 games
The NBA is a science
The NBA had 100's of Super-Star-Players that never went to the Finals.
I recall the Lakers having 4-All-Star players on the roster a year before Phil Jackson was hired as their coach, and they could'nt get pass the 2nd round.
ANU
Starter
sure he did.he taught nash everything nash knows.even how to do a header "ally".
I stopped reading after the bold.. You can't be an idiot and call someone a bust after one season. See Gallinari
ANU
Starter
its almost like he's deliberately trying to sabotage this team.
OGKnickfan
Enlightened
Nash did the work, and had the necessary talent, to become an MVP. Using your logic, why doesn't he turn Duhon into an MVP?
As a coach, you mainly set out plays, a system for playing D and O. When a player rises above his teammates, within that system, it's a revelation as to that player's talents, not the system's ability to make that player great.
Crazy⑧s
Evacuee
written sarcasm is difficult for some.
Don't give D'Antoni credit just yet for N8 and Lee's successes either. What's the one thing Lee and Nate are constantly maligned for?
****ing horrible defense.
Mike taught them that as well, by not teaching them it's opposite. And he is constantly screaming at them or the team whenever there's a defensive blunder.
And still our defense doesn't improve.
I backed D'Antoni in the past, but I'm gonna have to get on the anti Mike band wagon because he has nothing to show for his big contract. Much the same as Marbury.
How the hell does he chooses to pick Duhon over Marbury? Easy by sucking on Coach's K former player. Why did he choose Gallinari over Lopez or Gordon? Well he is Gallo's Godfather. It is clear that he is playing favorites which has hurt the status of our team so far. Its killing me to see Walsh back up D'antoni's every move and never getting in his way. If I was Walsh I would have fired him already, take a look at the millions D'antoni's thrown away so far and gotten nothing in return:
Marbury (21.5 Million)
Millicic (7.5 Million)
Hill (2.5 Million)
Curry (10.5 Million, only counting this season)
Douglas (salary 1 Million, 3 Million to get rights= 4 Million)
46 Millions thrown away vs 51 Wins so far!
Marbury (21.5 Million)
Millicic (7.5 Million)
Hill (2.5 Million)
Curry (10.5 Million, only counting this season)
Douglas (salary 1 Million, 3 Million to get rights= 4 Million)
46 Millions thrown away vs 51 Wins so far!
knickzrulezH20
Sexy Stud
I still like the Gallo pick over those two. But he def wasted Marbury. A well-conditioned and happy Marbury would be a guarenteed 15 pts 7-8 ast. DuDonkey would then be a decent backup. But forget Curry bro, there was no hope for him this season, no matter who was the coach.
ANU
Starter
So According To Berman...............
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you can't make this shit up.I'm done with this season.see you fellas in the off season.......
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/new_starting_point_mwFKCo6AKZ7LJFNFGvudVN
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you can't make this shit up.I'm done with this season.see you fellas in the off season.......
D'Antoni should be fired next year if we get a good Free Agent but have a similar roster and are still garbage.
D'Antoni is too stubborn to see that his team isn't conditioned to play the same 8 players night in night out.......Hell it took him a whole year to realize this team couldn't play SSOL.
He is a player's coach which can be seen by the insane amounts of loyalty he gives players. If he has already lost the respect of most of his squad this year and we retain some of the players...how are they going to resepct him next year. A player's coach can only lose the respect of his players, while a hard ass coach can only gain the respect.
Example Tom Coughlin is a hardass who doesn't take crap from anyone so for him to get softer from a players perpective leaves a good impression.
Mike D' can't do anything to win his player respect on this current squad....he's already burned a lot of bridges.
i'm praying that mike d and walsh are on the same page
D'Antoni is too stubborn to see that his team isn't conditioned to play the same 8 players night in night out.......Hell it took him a whole year to realize this team couldn't play SSOL.
He is a player's coach which can be seen by the insane amounts of loyalty he gives players. If he has already lost the respect of most of his squad this year and we retain some of the players...how are they going to resepct him next year. A player's coach can only lose the respect of his players, while a hard ass coach can only gain the respect.
Example Tom Coughlin is a hardass who doesn't take crap from anyone so for him to get softer from a players perpective leaves a good impression.
Mike D' can't do anything to win his player respect on this current squad....he's already burned a lot of bridges.
i'm praying that mike d and walsh are on the same page
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