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    I don't think we get LeBron or D-Wade. Walsh should get what he can and then use them midway thru the season in a trade for Chris Paul. Hornets can't afford a max contract but we can. Then in 2011 we should make a run for 'Melo or Kevin Durant.

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    I think the Knicks will end up getting Ben Wallace, Adam Morrison, and
    Tracy McGrady in 2010.

    2010 Knick Starting Lineup
    PG Duhon
    SG McGrady
    SF Chandler
    PF Gallinari
    C Lee

    Bench: PG Douglas, SG Morrison, SF/PF/C Jeffries, PF Hill, PF/C Wallace
    Inactive: Eddy Curry
    Knicks will get rid of Nate Robinson and Al Harrington.

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    If we don't get Lebron, we should try to get a star PG. Maybe Chris Paul. Or try to get Ricky Rubio's rights from the Wolves. Man, I really want to get Lebron, but as more Knick games (losing) come to pass, I'm becoming less excited at our chance to get Lebron.

    The only chance of us of getting Lebron is if the Cavs get embarrassed at the playoffs again. And Walsh must make moves now to show Lebron that the Knicks will be a great team in 2010-2011 season so he considers signing w/ us. Sign Lee! Get rid of Jeffries and Curry! Get draft picks! Play Jordan Hill and Toney Douglas! Acquire a defnse minded center! ANYTHING GOOD! Walsh is doing nothing.....

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    This is nonsense...Lee is a budding all-star and playing out of position. Will he ever be an elite defender? Probably not but he is an elite rebounder, plays with intensity, can finish with both hands and only now developed a consistent mid-range jumper that is taking his game to another level. He shoots a high percentage and is not turnover prone.There are like 5 dudes in the NBA at any given time that can put 20 and 10 up on average and Lee is one of them. He is doing this with the worst starting PG in the league and out of position. He leads the league in assists for centers so his passing is also way above average. Diminishing his entire game because he can't defend bigger, stronger centers is wrong. Further, no one is claiming we should give him a max deal or that we must sign him above all other players.

    Lee's game has only one weakness...D. That weakness is magnified because he is a PF playing center.

    Lee at 11 Mil > Bosh at 16 Mil
    Lee > Amare...period
    Wow, common sense is finally returning to KO.COM. Post of the year as far as I'm concerned. If the Knicks are ever going to get better, we must identify the keepers and establish a core to build around. I think Lee and Chandler are keepers. I am so tired of seeing our castoffs florish for other teams. We let guys go because of so-called "flaws," yet other teams see past those flaws and turn those guys into productive players. This years playoffs will be full of Knick castoffs from the last 3 years. Imagine if we had held onto half that talent built a team. We wouldn't be so worried about what free-agent we could grab this summer.

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    IF WE ONLY HAD A DEFENSE MINDED COACH, WE'D BE A BETTER TEAM!

    Dantoni sucks simple and plain!

    Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill, Toney Douglas, Jared Jeffires, Lary Hughes WOULD SHUT DOWN TEAMS if our coach was big on defense!!!!!!!! Tell me I'm wrong......

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    This is nonsense...Lee is a budding all-star and playing out of position. Will he ever be an elite defender? Probably not but he is an elite rebounder, plays with intensity, can finish with both hands and only now developed a consistent mid-range jumper that is taking his game to another level. He shoots a high percentage and is not turnover prone.There are like 5 dudes in the NBA at any given time that can put 20 and 10 up on average and Lee is one of them. He is doing this with the worst starting PG in the league and out of position. He leads the league in assists for centers so his passing is also way above average. Diminishing his entire game because he can't defend bigger, stronger centers is wrong. Further, no one is claiming we should give him a max deal or that we must sign him above all other players.

    Lee's game has only one weakness...D. That weakness is magnified because he is a PF playing center.

    Lee at 11 Mil > Bosh at 16 Mil

    Lee > Amare...period

    In bold are the only two things I disagree with. Lee has brought back the resurgence of the point forward and the passing big man. No one appreciates a big man with good vision and passing ability then Knicks fans.

    However regardless of playing out of position, D.Lee has trouble guarding smaller "bigs" then him as well. It's not a size or out of postion thing (tho that doesn't help matters), its that the guy is just not a defensive pressence. He hussles but he doesn't jump to get blocks and his low post defense is weak (tho improving)

    In the paint you need that presence. You defend against the bigs down low as well as the slashers and cutters and driving PG's. You NEED to have a defensive presence down low, one way or another, they cement the defense. Even with a potential Defensive player of the Year in Jeffereies playing along side him D.Lee allows too many easy baskets. It's just simply not enough to rely on 20 and 10 and think that because he's a great fantasy player that he's a great player on the court. 2 way players are necessary to winning, especially as starters and 30+ minute guys.

    Bosh at 16 mil to Lee at 11 mill is a huge improvement. Bosh blocks shots, can guard the perimeter, can make steals, and alter game plans. Bosh is basically all the things defensively that D.Lee is not. Plus he's a better offensive player, getting to the rim and making other teams foul him. I would have to say that bosh is TWO TIMES the player D.Lee is for about 30% more then what we pay David.

    This is not to take away from D.Lee's game. He is a great offensively minded PF. I'm just saying that there are better players out there and just because you get 20 and 10 on a regular basis does not mean you are a fantastic player and a cornerpiece of what we hope turns out to be an emerging dynasty. Bosh would be an amazing peice to the team and personally I would want Bosh and D.Lee to play together. This would give other teams nightmares in the post while providing enough of a defensive presence.

    But if I have to pick between Dlee at 10 or 11 and bosh at 15-16 i'll take Bosh any day.

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    Off that list of FA's I'd take a shot at getting A.Morrow from golden state and M.Camby from the Clippers. I would also look into prying Rubio from the T-wolves. Then I'd sit on my ass and wait for 2011 and see whats up then.

    2010-2011

    PG Rubio ???/TD
    SG Chandler/Morrow
    SF Gallo/Chandler
    PF Lee/Hill
    C Camby/Hill

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    Joe Johnson!

    He can take over games and is a good passer.

    We can lock him up as our SG for years....resign Lee...or sign and trade because we need a true Center.

    I like Zydrunas Ilgallskus...Camby possibly for one or two year signing.

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    Originally Posted by ANU
    might as well start collecting lotto picks, and build a championship caliber team the old fashioned way.
    The Chicago Bulls have been getting number 1 draft picks for years, how come they aren't a championship contender? I like the idea of using lottery picks to build a team but unless your team has the ability to draft good players the NBA draft is pretty much a meaningless commodity.Just look at the garbage that the Knicks have drafted over the past decade: Frederic Weis, Donnell Harvey, Michael Sweetney and Channing Frye.I know this sounds like an overstatement but, I have more faith in Mike D'antoni winning a championship with the Knicks than I have in the ability of the Knicks' scouts to draft future NBA stars.No matter how high the draft pick would be for the Knicks they will always find a way to blow it.Any organization that's gone more than 20 years without drafting an NBA superstar has to either finish the regular season with the worst record or has to completely depend on luck in order to draft a player that they could build their franchise around.Even though the Knicks have drafted players such as Trevor Ariza, David Lee and Wilson Chandler, over the past six years, none of those players have been cornerstones to the Knick organization.So if the Knicks decide to go the lottery route, Knick fans better pray that a pot of gold miraculously ends up on the Madison Square Garden side lines during a future NBA draft night.
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    Originally Posted by johnstarky
    The Chicago Bulls have been getting number 1 draft picks for years, how come they aren't a championship contender? I like the idea of using lottery picks to build a team but unless your team has the ability to draft good players the NBA draft is pretty much a meaningless commodity.Just look at the garbage that the Knicks have drafted over the past decade: Frederic Weis, Donnell Harvey, Michael Sweetney and Channing Frye.I know this sounds like an overstatement but, I have more faith in Mike D'antoni winning a championship with the Knicks than I have in the ability of the Knicks' scouts to draft future NBA stars.No matter how high the draft pick would be for the Knicks they will always find a way to blow it.Any organization that's gone more than 20 years without drafting an NBA superstar has to either finish the regular season with the worst record or has to completely depend on luck in order to draft a player that they could build their franchise around.Even though the Knicks have drafted players such as Trevor Ariza, David Lee and Wilson Chandler, over the past six years, none of those players have been cornerstones to the Knick organization.So if the Knicks decide to go the lottery route, Knick fans better pray that a pot of gold miraculously ends up on the Madison Square Garden side lines during a future NBA draft night.
    there is a diffrence.those are the bulls, and donnie is not Isiah or layden.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Call me crazy, but if we don't get a superstar...I'd be cool with Felton, Scola and Rudy Gay...That'd give us

    PG - Felton/Douglas
    SG - Rudy Gay/Wilson Chandler
    SF - Gallinari/Wilson Chandler
    PF - David Lee/Jordan Hill
    C - Luis Scola/Jared Jefferies/Eddy Curry

    Perhaps unrealistic, but I think that gives us a good rebounding core, we can rotate Gay/Chandler/Gallo on the floor for 2 spots, consistently giving us a good scorer. I also think that none of those guys will get a max contract, which could enable us to actually make the move.
    We need shot blocking...but I like your way of thinking.
    **** Lebron.

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    Originally Posted by TheBig****
    Ridnour then sign Melo in 2011.
    I missed this. I could def get down with that as long as we also acquire a center and keep Lee.

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