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    if the wizards land the first pick, the fact that we can't move jeffires and curry might be a blessing in disguise.grunfeld doesn't shy away from dealing picks for expirings as he did with the 5th pick last year.curry and jeffires deals match up perfectly to arenas's deal.if they want to get rid of arena's deal all they gotta do is send that first pick this way and its a done deal.you got wall, cousins or whomever the **** donnie thinks will make us a better team.

    the issue will be lee's situation.


    as far as the roster is concerned out of the players that will most likely be here

    pg-? (sorry toney, you ain't no pg )
    sg-?
    sf-chandler
    pf-lee gallinari hill
    c-?

    we have legitimate question marks at 3 positions.if the wizards hypothetical is realistic by the end of the lotto, and such trade takes place, we'd have wall,turner, aldrich and cousins to fill one of those question marks, if lee is going to be re-signed, then hill and gallinari need to get dealt (obviously for equal value) to fill the other 2 question marks.

    so are situation would be
    pg-? wizards draft pick, or player from gallinari, lee or hill trade
    sg-? wizards pick ot player from gallinari, lee or hill trade
    sf-chandler
    pf- gallinari, lee or hill
    c- wizards pick, or player from lee, gallinari or hill trade.

    then when arena's crazy ass gets out of jail, he'll be the 6th man.
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    Joe Jonson is aight...

    He isn't a franchise player and at best will be another Alan Houston. If he is in the 10mil range and we get Bosh and an upgrade at point I could I live with that.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy8s
    So, we'll basically have the same roster plus Joe Johnson (if this is true) providing we get Lee back along with a few cheap players to round out the roster.

    Is this why we're pursuing McGrady? As a plan B to another declining SG?

    And still, we sputter along with no real center or PG.

    In all honesty, how much is Joe Johnson really worth? More than Lee?

    If we were to sign Johnson at $10m and Lee the same for example, we'd have $6m to spare to round out the roster with 4 more players. An average of $1.5m/player.

    ****ing Donnie. You catatonic old ****.


    So Joe Johnson turns down a 4 year/60 million extension to sign and stay with an up and coming Atlanta Hawks and you think he will sign with us for less. What planet are you living in?

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    Originally Posted by iSaYughh
    I honestly don't think Jeffries is that bad either! But that actually underscores my pt. of disgust with Donnie Walsh *if* he isn't traded/dumped!
    Jeffries is actually a pretty serviceable player; you consider him top5 DPOTY, and you aren't alone. He clearly has value, and clearly would have measurable value for contending teams, or teams on the brink, in particular.
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    pretty servicable??? what games are u looking at... 'ugly' can't shoot for ****, 9 times out of 10 he gets stuff'd underneath... imo his "D" is waaay overrated... he just plain sux's..

    and he is servicable... maybe at a couple of million, but if he gets traded, his cap space next year is 9.8m... is that servicable???

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    I'm all for Joe Johnson!! I've said it over the past years that I wanted him on this team. He can score and more importantly he can pass! He has a point guard mentality and I like that. He is fundamentally strong and that is something that this team lacks!! Nate is a perfect example of this; he is a 1 man show and the team suffers for it. If we get Joe Johnson and Bosh we will be in pretty good shape. Keep in mind with Curry's and Jefferson's expiring contracts; we might be able to pull off a key trade in the off season or during next season. If Walsh get's Joe Johnson, this would show me that they are finally making smart signings and/or trades!!!

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    Hey guys,

    First time post here. Cool message board.


    Anyway, as for Joe Johnson, the guy is an excellent player who was simply awesome under Dantoni in Phoenix. Having said that, our number 1 target (assuming both Lebron and Wade stay put) should be Bosh. Bosh is a beast and he's so young. He truly is a top-ten player in the NBA. Johnson is very good but he's already 30 and he's a tiny step below being one of the handful of truly elite players in the league. If you get Bosh, then yeah, Johnson would be a tremendous 2nd grab. Otherwise, none of us are really going to be satisfied.
    Last edited by keyser soze; Feb 15, 2010 at 08:24.

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    Originally Posted by Arod2k9
    So Joe Johnson turns down a 4 year/60 million extension to sign and stay with an up and coming Atlanta Hawks and you think he will sign with us for less. What planet are you living in?
    It says quite clearly: "for example". And is a question of Johnson's worth vs the Knicks available space in contrast with a dire necessity to rebuild.

    Clearly English is not your first language, so it's understandable that your grasp on some things isn't overly tight.

    But.... Why is it every time I post something that you have trouble deciphering, you feel the need to try and correct or refute something you don't understand?

    ****ing net pest.

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    I honestly don't mind having Jeffries next year, since LeBron 2010 is looking impossible.

    He is a top 5 defender WHEN guarding the wing. You pair him with a BIG defensive player and a mediocre defensive guard, we'd be a solid squad. Jeffries CANT be our #1 defender though. I do think he is an asset though. And we can still deal him after the season in hopes to
    clear up some cap space.

    But we have to win now to increase his trade value hence Donnie trying to get McGrady.

    We have no vested interest in losing this season. We have to win....

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    Originally Posted by paris401
    pretty servicable??? what games are u looking at... 'ugly' can't shoot for ****, 9 times out of 10 he gets stuff'd underneath... imo his "D" is waaay overrated... he just plain sux's..

    and he is servicable... maybe at a couple of million, but if he gets traded, his cap space next year is 9.8m... is that servicable???
    Nobody wants Jeffries off this team more than me. He still has value and is an asset -- to us? Fck no. But like Scribbles detailed, he does have value, is an asset, and would be for many teams. Basically a team that can swallow him being overpaid for a year just to have him refine their team in a playoff push.

    We likely won't even be able to sign Johnson anyways, unless we lose Lee, so....

    Until the big gay giraffe is dumped this is all fantasy land.

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    Getting LeBron has always been a long-shot and I do not see it happening. If the Cavaliers get Amare before the deadline, even the most optimistic of us will give up.

    DWade, if he does not stay in Miami, would certainly go to Chicago. And Bosh, if he goes anywhere, is likely to go to Miami.

    That, perhaps, leaves only Johnson. He is good, but he is not a max contract player.

    Stern says the owners will lose over $400M this year. How many are going to offer max contracts to players not named LeBron, Wade or perhaps Bosh?

    I would not be surprised if the other free agents find only disappointing offers after July 1st. Lee has been good, at least offensively, but he is not an elite player compared to most of the other All Stars. I do not think he is going to get a $10M plus contracat offer from any team.

    We are going to have to wait until 2011. Things will get interesting at that time. There will be a new Collective Bargaining Agreement or perhaps a lockout. We will have a draft pick, the expiring contracts of Curry and Jefferies and likely substantial cap space.

    In the meantime, our only rumored deals involve TMac, Tyrus Thomas or Ridnour. In the absence of a draft pick, there is not a lot to look forward to for 2010

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    Originally Posted by Oldtimer
    Getting LeBron has always been a long-shot and I do not see it happening. If the Cavaliers get Amare before the deadline, even the most optimistic of us will give up.

    DWade, if he does not stay in Miami, would certainly go to Chicago. And Bosh, if he goes anywhere, is likely to go to Miami.

    That, perhaps, leaves only Johnson. He is good, but he is not a max contract player.

    Stern says the owners will lose over $400M this year. How many are going to offer max contracts to players not named LeBron, Wade or perhaps Bosh?

    I would not be surprised if the other free agents find only disappointing offers after July 1st. Lee has been good, at least offensively, but he is not an elite player compared to most of the other All Stars. I do not think he is going to get a $10M plus contracat offer from any team.

    We are going to have to wait until 2011. Things will get interesting at that time. There will be a new Collective Bargaining Agreement or perhaps a lockout. We will have a draft pick, the expiring contracts of Curry and Jefferies and likely substantial cap space.

    In the meantime, our only rumored deals involve TMac, Tyrus Thomas or Ridnour. In the absence of a draft pick, there is not a lot to look forward to for 2010
    I agree, it looks more and more like 2011 is going to be our year to make major moves. That does not mean Walsh is a failure either. He put fiscal sanity back into the Knicks organization and has stopped trading away our draft picks. 2011 either way should be a big year for us.

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    2011 should be big year but IMO success depends on what is going right now. First thing - we need more wins to hell, be more atractive place to land some high calibre FA.
    Second thing - we don't need unnecessary new players. Of course we could hire smb but who the hell is available ? What does it change - nothing or in best way we could win few more games... We should focus on preparing to trade bonanza after season. Choose definetely players who stay and make evt to sell the rest.

    Evb put hopes on next year but scenario with to be left out in the cold is not so far with nyk ****heads management.

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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    lol we have to break that curse...if the piece of dirt red sox can break a huge curse like they had...then the knicks can do it...have faith!

    We are not cursed, we just have a piece of **** owner like James Dolan who has ****ed this team up and who has turned MSG from the worlds most famous arena and known as a defensive temple, to the worlds least famous arena..

    DOLAN needs to sell the team to someone who cares and loves basketball.

    WE NEED THAT IDIOT OUT, and then trust me everything will be fine.

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    Originally Posted by milchshake
    2011 should be big year but IMO success depends on what is going right now. First thing - we need more wins to hell, be more atractive place to land some high calibre FA.
    Second thing - we don't need unnecessary new players. Of course we could hire smb but who the hell is available ? What does it change - nothing or in best way we could win few more games... We should focus on preparing to trade bonanza after season. Choose definetely players who stay and make evt to sell the rest.

    Evb put hopes on next year but scenario with to be left out in the cold is not so far with nyk ****heads management.
    I have no idea what you just said.

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    Why wouldn't David Lee get $10 Million now that he's an All Star. Compared to others in his position, he excells past them.

    I initially thought he wasn't worth it last offseason. But for the most part you have to think...

    Why wouldn't David Lee get a 5 Year deal totalling $55-60 million dollars. Even so, he's still making significantly LESS than others at his position who play worse than him.

    If he takes a cut for this offseason in an effort to sign a LeBron expect it to be worth more... though I dont think he's going to do that whatsoever.

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