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    Nyk Logo Deadline Trades....approve, disaprove, or unnecessary?

    Here we go again, deadline trades we will have to live with next season.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary....b/c deadline trades always affect and conflict with a teams offseason transactions, for the better or the worst depending on the trade.

    Lastseason deadline we traded Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Jerome James, and Roberson.
    In return we received Wilcox & Hughes.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary?

    This deadline we traded Darko, Landry, Hill, Hughes, Nate, Jefferies, and our next two seasons first round draft picks (one pick is a swap to a .500 record team in the 2010-11 draft to our 4-man roster team).
    In return we receive T-Mac, Sergio, House, Giddens, Walker, Cardinal, and a future 2nd round pick from a .600 record team.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary?

    Do not forget the Knicks 2010-Plan, inwhich its main objective within the next two full seasons were to concentrate on trading 4 players contracts (Curry, Zach, Crawford, and Jefferies) for players contracts that were a year less.
    Did we meet up with that objective? or did we just do what the majority of Knick-Fans wanted done when President Layden was FIRED, reduce the Knicks salary-cap???

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    Bring this thread back out in July. Judgement on the latest trade isn't due until then or perhaps weeks after.

    We all know the reason. We just have to wait for the outcome. Walsh is doing exactly what he said he would. Any judgement prior is pointless.

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    Originally Posted by Crazy8s
    Bring this thread back out in July. Judgement on the latest trade isn't due until then or perhaps weeks after.

    We all know the reason. We just have to wait for the outcome. Walsh is doing exactly what he said he would. Any judgement prior is pointless.
    This is a easy thread to answer:

    2009- aprove or detest?
    2010- aprove or detest?

    Was Marbury or Curry worth a first round draft pick?
    Do u recall the Chicago Bulls being $35M+ under the salary cap for two seasons after Jordan and Phil Jackson quit, and the FA market stayed clear away from Chicago.

    What do u think Donnie Walsh and Dantoni just did to the Knicks in their two year tour?
    Sports announcers are not going to say the Knicks just dug their own grave, they did'nt say it about the Chicago Bulls, what they kept saying was the Chicago Bulls have the best chance at getting Super-Star Grant Hill and another star player too.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Here we go again, deadline trades we will have to live with next season.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary....b/c deadline trades always affect and conflict with a teams offseason transactions, for the better or the worst depending on the trade.

    Lastseason deadline we traded Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Jerome James, and Roberson.
    In return we received Wilcox & Hughes.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary?

    This deadline we traded Darko, Landry, Hill, Hughes, Nate, Jefferies, and our next two seasons first round draft picks (one pick is a swap to a .500 record team in the 2010-11 draft to our 4-man roster team).
    In return we receive T-Mac, Sergio, House, Giddens, Walker, Cardinal, and a future 2nd round pick from a .600 record team.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary?

    Do not forget the Knicks 2010-Plan, inwhich its main objective within the next two full seasons were to concentrate on trading 4 players contracts (Curry, Zach, Crawford, and Jefferies) for players contracts that were a year less.
    Did we meet up with that objective? or did we just do what the majority of Knick-Fans wanted done when President Layden was FIRED, reduce the Knicks salary-cap???
    Approve trading Thomas, James, Roberson and Rose for Wilcox and Hughes.

    Disaprove trading 3 draft picks for cap space. Trading Hill, a 2011 pick, and a 2012 pick is too much for capspace and Tracy McGrady. Yes, the Knicks have 35 million in capspace, but that's not enough to sign Lee AND two max free agents. If the Knicks re-sign Lee, it will probably be for at least 12 million. 23 million isn't enough to sign Lebron and Bosh, and I don't think they want to come to New York anyway.

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    I approve of all trades done last year and this year. Yes we gave up a lot of talented young players. But the plan since Donnie was hired has been to go after lebron in the summer of 2010.

    This places us in perfect position to sign lebron and bosh, and we've got a better team for the remainder of this season. even if bosh and lebron are signed elsewhere we have enough money now to go out and secure a good team. Plus we still have money coming off the books next year.

    All in all, these trades were massive. The players might not be top teir right now,. but financially these were the smartest trades.

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    I think the most recent trade of the picks and Hill has to be judged in July. If we land LeBron, I can't complain about it. If we don't land LeBron, well then in all likelihood it was a total bust.

    The Nate trade I feel was unnecessary...I would've liked the Celts first rounder (even though it would be in the mid-high 20s).

    The Darko deal I approve of. Darko wasn't playing and it just saved us money...

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    Originally Posted by p0nder
    I approve of all trades done last year and this year. Yes we gave up a lot of talented young players. But the plan since Donnie was hired has been to go after lebron in the summer of 2010.

    This places us in perfect position to sign lebron and bosh, and we've got a better team for the remainder of this season. even if bosh and lebron are signed elsewhere we have enough money now to go out and secure a good team. Plus we still have money coming off the books next year.

    All in all, these trades were massive. The players might not be top teir right now,. but financially these were the smartest trades.
    There is one thing that your not looking at....where did the additional cap-space come from?
    The additional cap-space came from just 2 players Jefferies and our 8th lottery pick Jordan Hill.
    Do u think some team would have traded us an expiring contract last year for our 8th pick and Jefferies? or would they demand us to include our 2011 and 2012 pick too. LOL
    That would've been easier than show-casing Jefferies as a starter for 50 games, and only given a defensive-rebounding rookie 10 minutes each in 23 games out of 53 games.

    As far as the Super-Stars coming to New York....I'm sure Nate Robinson had nothing but great things to say about the Knicks organization at the All-Star Game when other players question him about his 14 game DNP.
    Whatever Nate said got leak out so fast, that Nate caught the walking-Flu in Hot Hot Dallas LOL LOL LOL

    P.S. Hope like hell that Nate's performance in Boston answers for the 14 game DNP he receive b/c if it dont....Dantoni becomes a question mark to high FA

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    the nate trade was unnecessary.just goes to show what a bitch d'antoni is.and i really wish we went after camby.

    rodriguez
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    and at least tried to make a run at the playoffs.smh.
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    Default I'm disappointed in you Kiya

    Walsh just gave us one of the most valuable and coveted things known to man...
    Choices!
    That said, imagine if you will the immediate future. Now with these moves we have a chance and choices. Now with these moves we no longer have to stand pat and complain (see your Jamison Comment) about what OTHER teams are doing and the offers they make.
    Those teams deserve to do so b/c they played within the perscribed rules as far as fiscal responsibility. This is a business.
    We, whom have tried to cut corners and overspend were irresponsible and therefore had to pay. There is no reseting corporation numbers, only remittence. Thus we were forced to SACRAFICE for our greater good. FA Star or not, satisfaction by fans or not, the NYK business just did what many corporations that just burn money w/ no results should of done before we were recessed.
    Therefore before u complain think- what we had you complained. Where we're at, you complain. A wise man once said- you can't please everyone. Peace.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Here we go again, deadline trades we will have to live with next season.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary....b/c deadline trades always affect and conflict with a teams offseason transactions, for the better or the worst depending on the trade.

    Lastseason deadline we traded Malik Rose, Tim Thomas, Jerome James, and Roberson.
    In return we received Wilcox & Hughes.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary?

    This deadline we traded Darko, Landry, Hill, Hughes, Nate, Jefferies, and our next two seasons first round draft picks (one pick is a swap to a .500 record team in the 2010-11 draft to our 4-man roster team).
    In return we receive T-Mac, Sergio, House, Giddens, Walker, Cardinal, and a future 2nd round pick from a .600 record team.
    Approve, disaprove, or unnecessary?

    Do not forget the Knicks 2010-Plan, inwhich its main objective within the next two full seasons were to concentrate on trading 4 players contracts (Curry, Zach, Crawford, and Jefferies) for players contracts that were a year less.
    Did we meet up with that objective? or did we just do what the majority of Knick-Fans wanted done when President Layden was FIRED, reduce the Knicks salary-cap???
    The only trades I did not agree with was trading Zach Randolph and Crawford so early last season when we started out great and could have traded them during the deadline for something better than chump change in Tim Thomas.

    Hughes should have played more.

    I feel like Donnie knew what he wanted in the trades but Mike D did not agree and thus benched most of the players thats came here.

    Donnie had one plan: clear cap space and try to get decent players in the process...he has done that....

    Donnie went from a B to an A because of getting rid of Jared Jeffries and getting Tmac and Sergio in return.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    This is a easy thread to answer:

    2009- aprove or detest?
    2010- aprove or detest?

    Was Marbury or Curry worth a first round draft pick?
    Do u recall the Chicago Bulls being $35M+ under the salary cap for two seasons after Jordan and Phil Jackson quit, and the FA market stayed clear away from Chicago.

    What do u think Donnie Walsh and Dantoni just did to the Knicks in their two year tour?
    Sports announcers are not going to say the Knicks just dug their own grave, they did'nt say it about the Chicago Bulls, what they kept saying was the Chicago Bulls have the best chance at getting Super-Star Grant Hill and another star player too.
    Great Post. You make some valid points. Even if you're someone that supports Walsh's trades, you can't say that trading a 2011 and 2012 pick wasn't a risk.

    The truth is, the Knicks didn't have to trade Jeffries to sign one max contract. Walsh just got greedy and wanted to go after two max contracts. The odds of the Knicks getting a superstar in 2010 is very low. The odds of them getting two is even lower. The Knicks should have held on to their draft picks.

    The last time the Knicks traded their first round pick, the Bulls got the second overall pick and had the option of getting Lamarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy.

    Let's look at the facts. Had the Knicks not traded Jeffries, they would have had
    27-28 million in capspace. They could have signed one Max contract for 18 million, and since they have Lee's bird rights signed him to 12 million. But Walsh got greedy and now it could potentially make the Rockets or another team a lot better.

    Look at how much better the Trailblazers got, as a result of Isiah Thomas' stupidity?
    The Blazers got Aldridge from a pick that was supposed to go to the Knicks, had they not traded it away. And Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay were both avaliable in that draft, too.
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    What do u think Donnie Walsh and Dantoni just did to the Knicks in their two year tour?
    As in...... What did Donnie Walsh do with the laughing stock of the NBA in the last 2 years?

    He has attempted and is attempting to drag the left overs of Isiah Thomas' broad way fiasco out of the realms of basketball sub mediocrity and public slandering.

    His judgment is half a year away. What will you say, Kiya if we have a playoff team next season?

    I for one am not bias and am not taking sides, I just like the fact that Donnie said he was gonna do something and is doing it. Let alone that he's giving the team a real chance at regaining some pride in the league

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    Great Post. You make some valid points. Even if you're someone that supports Walsh's trades, you can't say that trading a 2011 and 2012 pick wasn't a risk.

    The truth is, the Knicks didn't have to trade Jeffries to sign one max contract. Walsh just got greedy and wanted to go after two max contracts. The odds of the Knicks getting a superstar in 2010 is very low. The odds of them getting two is even lower. The Knicks should have held on to their draft picks.

    The last time the Knicks traded their first round pick, the Bulls got the second overall pick and had the option of getting Lamarcus Aldridge or Brandon Roy.

    Let's look at the facts. Had the Knicks not traded Jeffries, they would have had
    27-28 million in capspace. They could have signed one Max contract for 18 million, and since they have Lee's bird rights signed him to 12 million. But Walsh got greedy and now it could potentially make the Rockets or another team a lot better.

    Look at how much better the Trailblazers got, as a result of Isiah Thomas' stupidity?
    The Blazers got Aldridge from a pick that was supposed to go to the Knicks, had they not traded it away. And Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay were both avaliable in that draft, too.
    We couldn't have retained Lee's Bird Rights if we didn't trade Jeffries. There wouldn't have been enough cap space to sign a max had we retained Lee's Bird Rights and not traded Jeffries.

    I can't argue that giving up those picks wasn't a massive risk. But the way Walsh saw it, as did I, there was no way a max player was going to sign to the Knicks roster by himself. He would need talent to entice him to sign. Since Lee couldn't have been signed, clearing more cap space to either sign another max or resign Lee was crucial. If Jeffries was not traded we would have ended up with nothing. The odds of signing a max before Jeffries were almost zero and now Donnie has increased those odds dramatically by being able to sign two.

    Ofcoarse, we could end up like Orlando several years ago. They cleared enough cap space to go after Duncan and TMac when they were free agents. TMac signed thinking Duncan was coming too and then Duncan resigned with the Spurs. The Spurs went on to win more championships and the Magic were forced to rebuild a 2nd time until they finally drafted Howard 1st overall.

    Every Knick fan is going to be sweating balls until July 1st. We'll know then if this move was one of the best moves in franchise history or one of the worst.

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    I approve.

    Trading Jared Jefferies was a miracle in itself.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    Great Post. You make some valid points. Even if you're someone that supports Walsh's trades, you can't say that trading a 2011 and 2012 pick wasn't a risk.

    The truth is, the Knicks didn't have to trade Jeffries to sign one max contract. Walsh just got greedy and wanted to go after two max contracts. The odds of the Knicks getting a superstar in 2010 is very low. The odds of them getting two is even lower. The Knicks should have held on to their draft picks.


    Let's look at the facts. Had the Knicks not traded Jeffries, they would have had
    27-28 million in capspace. They could have signed one Max
    Wow, I really, really don't understand some people.
    Not to insult, but do you have ANY business sense at all?
    Ok let's look at the "facts"... First the NYK's HAVENT drafted an All-star in OVER 18 FIRST ROUND PICKS!
    Second, you mention the "odds" of signing 1 or 2 FA's are low. To that I would say, what the hell are you talking about? There are only a hand full of teams that could. CHI, LAC, MIA, NJ maybe CHA and us! Further, ask yourself- had we no cap room, what would those odds be? Zero. Now what's better, 50/50 or 0?
    Next, Walsh got greedy? It's called "greed" to rid a team that lost 100+ games in the last season, hasn't been out of the 1st round in years and clearly not where they should be, of contracts / players partly responsible for those results? Hello!
    Finally, sincerely I ask (or say) are you familiar w/ the term "trying to have your cake and eat it too"?
    How about "beggers can't be choosers"?
    Or the term "Sacrafice"?
    I mean this is a contradiction: on one hand fans say the players suck, then why are we getting rid of players? On one hand fans say Isiah made bad moves etc... but then refuse to accept the penalty and sacrafice needed to recover from such decisions.
    To add... what would fans say had Walsh only gotten 1 Max (if so) FA and we still didn't make the

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