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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
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    F Jordan Hill, playing with David Andersen out with a sore lower back, showed flashes of the potential that made him an important part of the Rockets' trade deadline deal with the Knicks. Hill had 12 points and eight rebounds, both season bests for the rookie, while playing 23 minutes.

    PG-Brooks adding Hill into the offense made Hill feel like a teammate again.
    u must admit Jordan Hill does not look like a bust, he look like a raw rookie with NBA potential talent as a bigman.
    i didnt want to give up Hill but we HAD to in order to rid ourselves of Jared Jeffries

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    jarred jefferies dropped 12-8 once

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    Originally Posted by AlboKnickFan
    Mike D is not a bad coach. The problem is with our franchise my friends. Not just Jordan Hill, but any player ( except for Eddy Curry ) in the Knicks roster would play good for another team.
    Our problem is consistency, confidence, and lack of desire to win.

    Lets put it this way: Those Knicks players already consider themselves winner just for being able to play on the big stage ( Garden )

    Thats why we need another owner who can actually put pressure on the coaching staff and players to play better and harder.


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    Originally Posted by abcd
    Good post. I agree. Hill showed potential, in his limited playing time with the Knicks. His post up game and rebounding was good, for only getting 10 minutes per game. He looked better on the court than Jeffries, so I don't get why Dyke M'Anphony refused to give him playing time.

    Too bad D'Anphony and Walsh didn't give him a chance. There's a reason why the Rockets wanted Hill. I doubt it was because they thought he was a bust.
    abcd....how come it is so hard for some Knick-Fans and members to understand the factor of trading our 8th Lottery Pick?
    Especially when the 8th pick is the player to actually fill-in the "BIG-HOLE" from lastseason frontcourt and this season frontcourt.

    Jordan Hill became one of the top-10 picks in the 2009 draft from his defensive prowness of athleticism (100% pure hustle) in the paint at Arizona.
    Another Varegao, Noah, Oakley, Rodman, PF-players known for their high IQ of controlling the paint area and boards, not offensive scoring.

    It would've been cheaper giving 6.10 Rookie Jordan Hill 24 minutes of playingtime in a line-up of 6.9 Lee and 6.9 Harrington so the two veteran players could develope the rookie to do all the things they are not going to do as expiring-contract players.
    It makes so much (logical) sense now on why Damntoni put so many Knick players in his "DNP" dog-house early in the season.....Knick-players had to be pissed-off to where they had to had curse Dantoni out several times for putting weak a*** Gallo in as the PF rather than somebody that will mix it up in the paint like rookie PF-Jordan Hill (alongside of David Lee, simular to Lee & Zach in the paint but with DEFENSE).

    If we still had C-Patrick Ewing, which player would take a big load of pressure off of Ewing in the paint-area on offense & defense?
    6.10 PF-Hill?
    OR
    6.10 PF-Gallo?

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
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    If we still had C-Patrick Ewing, which player would take a big load of pressure off of Ewing in the paint-area on offense & defense?
    6.10 PF-Hill?
    OR
    6.10 PF-Gallo?
    Yea and if i win the powerball i'll be a millionaire... WTF are you talking about dude.

    I'm fairly certain nobody wanted to trade Jordan Hill, but we had to trade him. In order to clear JJ's salary the deal had to be made. All season we had threads complaining that Donnie Walsh needs to do something and trade JJ or Curry and then he goes out there and does it and in the process of making the deadline trades he adds a few players that would be nice rotation players in the future in Rodriguez and Walker.

    Trading Hill was a risk but it's definately a high risk high reward risk. If we don't land any of the free agents it's a bad trade but i for one won't second guess it because in order to have a seat at the free agent table this summer the deal had to be made.

    Jordan Hill may very well devolop into a nice rotation player but he's fair from a player that will put a team over the top. It comes down to do you want to slowly build a team that may be an 8th seed or go for broke and hit the jackpot this offseason and contend for titleS. Maybe some people would take mediocracy since we've been so bad lately but i'm somebody who wants greatness and in order to be great we need to have money to spend and now we do.

    This team has been cap strapped since the summer of 97 when we got Childs, Houston, and LJ.. Now for the first time in 13 years we have cap flexibility and we can finally improve yet some people are complaining about Jordan Hill. Seriously Jordan Hill?

    And Kiya go do some research... Hill was never a dominate defender at Zona. he got blocks because he's a 7 footer but he played half assed defense and was consistantly in foul trouble against the better teams.

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    It's amazing how two draft picks would have probably started to change the losing culture of the Knicks. Unfortunately, Walsh f***** up on both of them.

    Gallo (should have been) Lopez
    Hill (should have been) Jennings

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    Originally Posted by GetRealistic

    This team has been cap strapped since the summer of 97 when we got Childs, Houston, and LJ.. Now for the first time in 13 years we have cap flexibility and we can finally improve yet some people are complaining about Jordan Hill. Seriously Jordan Hill?

    And Kiya go do some research... Hill was never a dominate defender at Zona. he got blocks because he's a 7 footer but he played half assed defense and was consistantly in foul trouble against the better teams.

    Walsh had 2 offseasons and two trading deadlines to get rid of Zach, Curry, Crawful, and Jefferies.....without giving up any first round draft picks.
    This is Donnie Walsh Plan....u and many may want this and like this, but dont make the next Man want and like it too.
    There are only 4 Max FA in the 2010 market (Lebron, D.Wade, Bosh, and Dirk), if u want to believe one of those players will be a Knick next season....then keep on dreamin.

    Walsh gave up defensive-players: PG-Mardy Collins, SF-Balkman, and now PF-Hill.
    In the 40 years I been watching the Knicks their WINNING seasons were on DEFENSE.

    For the last 3 seasons every Knick-Fan and member been saying and writing "the Knicks need a defensive bigman to protect the paint to stop oponents from having a layup-line on us.".

    This team has been cap b/c that is what the owner wanted for the value of the Knicks Franchise as high as the sky for business purposes (Assets)...

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    shut up and praise D'Antoni.. everyone

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    Originally Posted by DontForgetDerekHarper
    jarred jefferies dropped 12-8 once
    Jared Jeffries is also a veteran with 322 career starts.
    Did Jordan Hill get the same opportunities that Jeffries got throughout his career?
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    Originally Posted by jpz17
    shut up and praise D'Antoni.. everyone
    Do you masturbate when he's yelling at the officials? I'm like seriously asking this lol. I am not a Dant hater, but your love for him is downright creepy.

    And I didn't want to give up on Hill, but he's not going to be a star anyways. He could end up being a nice rotation player, but if we get Bosh or if Lee stays for less money we won't really miss him.

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    Getrealistic....this thread is not about the trade of Jordan Hill, its about the reason why Jordan Hill was traded.
    Out of 51 games with the Knicks Jordan Hill played 250 minutes.
    Out of 8 games with the Rockets Jordan Hill played 100 minutes.
    The same way 6.9 Scola talents needs a defensive bigman to run the floor with him, 6.9 David Lee needed the same defensive bigman to run the floor with him at the start of this season.
    David Lee as our center did not need a SF-Jefferies, SF-Gallo, and SF-Chandler "pretending" to be a defensive Bigman PF.

    u and so many others believe the trade was done for cap space for the 2010 offseason.....
    If that was true, then the Knicks being a consistent 23 WIN team could've put 2 first round picks (2009 & 2012) on the trade-table along with Curry's contract at the 2009 draft night to go after T-Mac, Boozer, Okafor, or Chandler. Believe me, if those players team did not bite then several other teams would've bitten at that offer before the 8th pick arrived.

    What transaction did we do to lower the cap throughout the 2009 offseason (June to October)?

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Getrealistic....this thread is not about the trade of Jordan Hill, its about the reason why Jordan Hill was traded.
    Out of 51 games with the Knicks Jordan Hill played 250 minutes.
    Out of 8 games with the Rockets Jordan Hill played 100 minutes.
    The same way 6.9 Scola talents needs a defensive bigman to run the floor with him, 6.9 David Lee needed the same defensive bigman to run the floor with him at the start of this season.
    David Lee as our center did not need a SF-Jefferies, SF-Gallo, and SF-Chandler "pretending" to be a defensive Bigman PF.

    u and so many others believe the trade was done for cap space for the 2010 offseason.....
    If that was true, then the Knicks being a consistent 23 WIN team could've put 2 first round picks (2009 & 2012) on the trade-table along with Curry's contract at the 2009 draft night to go after T-Mac, Boozer, Okafor, or Chandler. Believe me, if those players team did not bite then several other teams would've bitten at that offer before the 8th pick arrived.

    What transaction did we do to lower the cap throughout the 2009 offseason (June to October)?

    Jordan Hill is not a defensive presence dude. Go read a scouting report or just remember watching him play. He has a very raw offensive game and can block some shots but he's fair from a defensive presence. Maybe he will become a good defensive player but as of now he isn't. So the arguement that David Lee needed to play next to Jordan Hill is lame. Last a check David Lee is having a career year.

    If you want to say we should have played Hill more minutes that fine. But honestly does it really matter now. If we played him 40 minutes a game or 2 minutes a game the fact of the matter is he's gone.

    If you can please tell me a viable trade that Donnie Walsh turned down regarding the contracts of JJ, Curry, or Marbury (who you bring up foolishly from time to time). In my estimation Donnie Walsh has only made one bad decision when it's come to in season player transactions. He should have traded Nate and Jefferies for Kenny Thomas's contract. But lets be honest Nate lovers like yourself would have had a fit if that happened.

    I can understand people complaining about draft picks. Maybe we should have taken Lopez (personally i still wouldn't have) over Gallinari. Thats definately a very debateable topic. And obviously we should have drafted Jennings over Hill but the fact remains as far as following the plan he set out to do on his first day Donnie has succeeded.

    This shouldn't be a shock to people. On his very first day on the job he said HIS GOAL WAS TO GET THE TEAM UNDER THE SALARY CAP FOR THE SUMMER OF 2010... Everybody was forwarned that the next to seasons were going to be rough and salary dumps. We all knew this... this isn't the time to bitch and moan about giving up Jordan Hill.

    Also Kiya other then LJ nobody on this forum really wants Okafor, Chandler or the other crappy players you named. We're in the market for star players and depending on what we land we'll see what we do with Curry's contract. In my opinion if we strike it rich and land some big star quality guys i'd use Curry's contract on a vet. But if we only get some second tier guys like a Joe Johnson and i'd hold onto the contract and let it expire and go spend it in 2011.

    One last point in this rant.

    People now complain that we gave up on Zach and Crawford but the fact remains. We may have very well made the playoffs as a 7th seed but with that cast of characters and the salary cap situation we would have been a 1 and done playoff team. This was the only way to fix the Knicks.

    Watch the playoffs in the next few months. All the teams that will contend for a championship will have atleast one star player if not more. The Knicks don't have a star player and in today's NBA you need a star player to win. In all honesty the Knicks don't even have a second option player.

    Cavs- Lebron and Williams
    Magic - Howard and Lewis/Carter
    Boston - Pierce and Rondo
    Heat - Wade and Nobody
    Atlanta - Joe Johnson and Joe Smith/Al Horford
    Lakers - Kobe and Gasol
    Blazers - Roy and Aldridge
    Nuggets -- Melo and Billups
    Thunder - Durant and Westbrook



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    Originally Posted by Paul1355
    i didnt want to give up Hill but we HAD to in order to rid ourselves of Jared Jeffries
    Jefferies trade-value went up....the only people who dont know this is Donnie Walsh and a few Knick-Fans.

    Jefferies is a $6M one year contract defensive player that would be easy to trade this offseason to all these nondefensive teams in the league.

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