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Thread: What does/will this team need more, an All-star PG or an All-star C?

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    Question Mark What does/will this team need more, an All-star PG or an All-star C?

    Indulge me for a minute or two here.

    With the Free-agent summer coming up and Gallo's recent performance in that game on 3/10/10 against the Spurs, I just realized that New York is setting their sights on LeBron James. Another Forward.

    The Knicks have been Forward-heavy (Oakley, Grandmama, Spree, even saw the X-man) the past few decades, and I'm wondering if chasing another (even if he is the King) is really worth it. Then I looked at the Spurs and the Grizzlies highlights and I wonder to myself: What would a really good point guard do for the Knicks?

    Of course, I then saw the Reggie Miller thread and thought of Starks (SG) and Ewing (C) and immediately remembered what an impact a good center had on the team. (And with some digging, how much Mark Jackson contributed as a PG.)

    So I just wanted to be educated on the subject here.

    Considering the Knicks might rebuild with an entirely new starting line-up next year, what's more important in a new team (likely filled with a variety of role-players): an Unselfish Point or an Indomitable Center?

    (And this isn't even taking into account who will be the Team Captain.)

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    i would say all-star PG cause we need someone to orchestrate the offense and i say just a defensive C like camby would do this team good, we need someone to grab rebounds and dominate the lowpost defensively

    but the PG would run the offense cause as proved by Nash, in D'Antoni's system it all starts with the PG and if he's good at setting ppl up then the offense will run fluid but of course we need a Star in general on this team but a nice PG would be just fine

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    I say a center. We've lost plenty of games this season because we couldn't defend the paint, particularly in the 4th qtr. We have a couple players that can create their own shot and the P&R with Lee aint all that complicated so the real need is in a center.

    The fact of the matter is that Lee nor anyone else on the team is even close to a competent center. However, T-mac and Rodriguez have the ability to run the point effectively on most nights.

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    I say king james baby.
    Whether he has Bosh or Wade along side of him, it really wouldn't matter. We would just simply dominate.

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    Its seem likely that we are going to keep Rodriguez. I think we should go after a Center more than anything. I also see D'Antoni playing Douglas more and more so I think we have Rod and Douglas running point next season. We should pick up that Defensive C. Also if we do get LeBron, he will be controlling the ball movement for the most part.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I say a center. We've lost plenty of games this season because we couldn't defend the paint, particularly in the 4th qtr. We have a couple players that can create their own shot and the P&R with Lee aint all that complicated so the real need is in a center.

    The fact of the matter is that Lee nor anyone else on the team is even close to a competent center. However, T-mac and Rodriguez have the ability to run the point effectively on most nights.
    Correct. We desperately need a defensive big man that will alter shots down low.

    I get disgusted every time I see a guard go up for an uncontested lay-up. Having a defensive center would negate those easy shots and force players to think twice about driving the lane.

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    Default Don't count on a real center

    Originally Posted by DaTPRiNCE
    i would say all-star PG cause we need someone to orchestrate the offense and i say just a defensive C like camby would do this team good, we need someone to grab rebounds and dominate the lowpost defensively

    but the PG would run the offense cause as proved by Nash, in D'Antoni's system it all starts with the PG and if he's good at setting ppl up then the offense will run fluid but of course we need a Star in general on this team but a nice PG would be just fine
    Sigh.....
    He might be able to grab rebounds but...

    dominating the low-post is wishful thinking, considering his age and the likely chances of him declining.

    Thumbs down to adding Camby during our rebuilding project. There's one other issue though (see below).

    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I say a center. We've lost plenty of games this season because we couldn't defend the paint, particularly in the 4th qtr. We have a couple players that can create their own shot and the P&R with Lee aint all that complicated so the real need is in a center.

    The fact of the matter is that Lee nor anyone else on the team is even close to a competent center. However, T-mac and Rodriguez have the ability to run the point effectively on most nights.
    Newsflash!!!!

    We've lost YEARS worth of games due to our reluctance and depreciation (and luck) in acquiring a real BIG MAN.

    Valuing a PG would only serve to promote this nonsense approach to ball.

    Originally Posted by TheChosen1
    Its seem likely that we are going to keep Rodriguez. I think we should go after a Center more than anything. I also see D'Antoni playing Douglas more and more so I think we have Rod and Douglas running point next season. We should pick up that Defensive C. Also if we do get LeBron, he will be controlling the ball movement for the most part.
    Don't know why some don't realize THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A CENTER IN D'ANTONI'S SYSTEM. Not a traditional center.

    Odds are...

    We will have another Forward (SF,PF) playing out of position as D'Antoni's flawed philosophy and inflated ego won't allow him to consider defense, big men that play off the blocks, or a shot blocker who can't hit open jumpers 20ft away.

    Sorry...

    Wishful thinking though!

    Be prepared to look forward to us trying to reinvent the wheel, playing forwards out of position to perpetuate a flawed approach to the game.



    Originally Posted by SLY1984
    Correct. We desperately need a defensive big man that will alter shots down low.

    I get disgusted every time I see a guard go up for an uncontested lay-up. Having a defensive center would negate those easy shots and force players to think twice about driving the lane.
    We will get nothing of the sort, while D'Antoni is here.

    In fact...

    We'll get a roster built for him, that no one else can work with and it will set us back again when Walsh finally realizes and remembers he has nuts- and fires or doesn't resign him.

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    I think it depends on what players we pick up. Right now both are crucial but the addition of Bosh could make a center less crucial than a PG. If we picked up Lebron than a PG may be less crucial since he can play pointforward. Now if we get both I would like to see a defensive center above all else.

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    I would say center because PG's are a dime a dozen, our management has just been to dumb to draft one. Cole Aldrich is coming out this year and even though I am a Kansas hater, Cole can play. He can block shots as well as provide a post presence on offense. I don't know if we gave away our first rounder this year, but if we have a top ten draft pick, grabbing Cole is a no-brainer.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    I would say center because PG's are a dime a dozen, our management has just been to dumb to draft one. Cole Aldrich is coming out this year and even though I am a Kansas hater, Cole can play. He can block shots as well as provide a post presence on offense. I don't know if we gave away our first rounder this year, but if we have a top ten draft pick, grabbing Cole is a no-brainer.
    With our imaginary first round pick... Aldridge is a lottery pick my man.. But i do agree that we can find a point guard. With a better supporting cast and an improved jumper Rodriguez would suffice as a PG. In reality with our 3 second round picks and go all out and draft 3 big men or 3 point guards and hope one sticks.

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    Originally Posted by GetRealistic
    With our imaginary first round pick... Aldridge is a lottery pick my man.. But i do agree that we can find a point guard. With a better supporting cast and an improved jumper Rodriguez would suffice as a PG. In reality with our 3 second round picks and go all out and draft 3 big men or 3 point guards and hope one sticks.
    Thanks for the info....Thats why I said I wasn't sure if we had a first rounder or not....I like your idea of using whatever pick we have on the best bigmen on the board. Or maybe we make the big push for Bosh or Amare....

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    Getting LeBronx would be the coup to end all coups.

    We NEED a shot-blocking, paint-defending Center more than anything, but knowing No-D'antoni's Offense-First, Defense-Last schematic, a PG will be priority to run the SSOL, the only plan he knows.

    Bosh could provide the protection in the paint, and LBJ the PG ball-handling, irregardless of their natural positions.

    Dream on, dream on till your dreams come true.

    until July...

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    Center since we at least have Douglas for defense.

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    Originally Posted by Red
    Sigh.....
    He might be able to grab rebounds but...

    dominating the low-post is wishful thinking, considering his age and the likely chances of him declining.

    Thumbs down to adding Camby during our rebuilding project. There's one other issue though (see below).



    Newsflash!!!!

    We've lost YEARS worth of games due to our reluctance and depreciation (and luck) in acquiring a real BIG MAN.

    Valuing a PG would only serve to promote this nonsense approach to ball.



    Don't know why some don't realize THERE IS NO ROOM FOR A CENTER IN D'ANTONI'S SYSTEM. Not a traditional center.

    Odds are...

    We will have another Forward (SF,PF) playing out of position as D'Antoni's flawed philosophy and inflated ego won't allow him to consider defense, big men that play off the blocks, or a shot blocker who can't hit open jumpers 20ft away.

    Sorry...

    Wishful thinking though!

    Be prepared to look forward to us trying to reinvent the wheel, playing forwards out of position to perpetuate a flawed approach to the game.





    We will get nothing of the sort, while D'Antoni is here.

    In fact...

    We'll get a roster built for him, that no one else can work with and it will set us back again when Walsh finally realizes and remembers he has nuts- and fires or doesn't resign him.
    i know he is but it doesnt necessarily have to be Camby, i meant someone like camby who could dominate defensively and make opposition think twice about letting that layup/floater go, rather then whats going on now. someone like camby that runs the floor well, all while dominating defensively

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    I would prefer to see a good defensive centre.

    We are in desperate need of someone to protect the paint. I am so tired of watching opponents scoring at will past us with nobody making any effort to defend.

    I just hope that Donnie going to games recently means that maybe he realises how flawed D`Antoni`s no defence is and that we grab ourselves a big for the paint.

    I was thinking that there might even be a centre in the D-league who can defend bettrt. it isn`t a long term option maybe but we could pick up someone on a ten day contract just to see if they were any good.

    what do you guys think? It certainly can`t hurt.

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