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    Originally Posted by knicksin60
    I think that Danilo Nowitzki will not only be the best player in the NBA in the near future but the best basketball player in the world.Lebron James and Dwayne Wade should be begging Donnie Walsh to sign them so that they could have the once in a lifetime opportunity to play next to the great Danilo Nowtizki.When the Knicks drafted him 2 years ago over the Lopez brothers, I just knew that the Knicks were going to win an NBA championship in 2011.
    Can you please stop posting crap like this. I'll assume it sarcasm but if not then please stop.

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    Originally Posted by TR1LL10N
    LOL. I'm a joke? GTFOH. You are the living breathing joke on this forum. You are incapable of having debates and talk past every single poster who makes a point in your direction. You whine and complain and are just filled with negativity about the team you claim to love. You want to parse the article to suite your narrative and have been ignoring that many of us have been saying the same thing for months. You have no idea what these players would contribute on the Knicks or what production they are capable of with more minutes...it's pure conjecture on your part designed to satisfy your bias. You assert points as fact and when questioned make random off the cuff comments that have very little to do with the actual discussion.

    Look I could give a fuk at this point about you or the other crybaby pseudo-Knick fans who have done nothing but complain and whine about every facet of our organization. Go ahead and be negative all you want...you won't bring me down. I learned at around the age of 9 not to cry over spilled milk so I won't dwell over missed draft picks. I will wait for the 2010 plan to unfold and pass judgment then, not prejudge and assume failure before the plan is finished.

    What are u a F.....ing psychiatrist

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    Originally Posted by Red

    Not to be argumentative...

    but aren't you and other D'Antoni supporters the ones who said

    "no other coach could've done better with this squad"?

    Isn't that conjecture? Isn't that "asserting" points as facts- as you say? ...designed to satisfy your bias?

    What's that saying about the pot and the kettle?
    No because the talent and players we have are fact...not conjecture. Understanding that a coach can only do so much with the talent he has is reality. No true center, no true SG and no competent PG= failure regardless of coach. That is not conjecture but the norm...are there exceptions to the rule? Maybe but I haven't seen one.

    What's that saying about thinking before you speak? (in this case type)

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    What are u a F.....ing psychiatrist
    Thanks for proving my point about off the cuff irrelevant comments.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Where are the people who said it was totally ridiculous, absurd, wrong, improper, incorrect, ludicrous to compare Dirk to Gallo? Maybe it's not the most perfect comparison, but it does serve at least good enough purpose to have an ESPN writer say exactly what some people on this board have been saying for weeks.
    Right here. I don't think anyone said don't compare Gallo to Dirk, but look who the writer IS comparing: PEERS. That is the basis of the article. How the "Sophs" are doing stacked up against each other. Any player that comes into the league brings "comparisons". You know "has game like....." or "the next....", but in end you are compared to your peers. So it not out of line to compare entirely out of line to compare Gallo to the scoring champ this year either( I won't say his name because you guys will get mad) because they are the same age, height, and play the same position. And look at who is atop the list and understand some of the guys anger instead of dismissing it. The last time the Knicks were sucessful many years ago, we had a legit center. The contenders in this years playoffs have legit centers. And we passed on one great one to draft our coach's godson and have back-to-back 50 loss seasons to boot. There are reasons bad teams STAY bad. Let's just hope our Knicks can climb out of the gutter.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Can you please stop posting crap like this. I'll assume it sarcasm but if not then please stop.
    Danilo Nowitzki will be a force to be reckon with in a few years.He will lead the league in scoring and will be in the top 3 in rebounding.I don't see how you wouldn't be excited over something like that.Are you really a Knick fan? I know many people that can't wait to see Danilo Nowitzki lead the Knicks to their first championship in close to 40 years.If I could retain my excitement over this, I wouldn't be posting on a forum in which an intelligent human being like yourself is a member of.

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    Originally Posted by KBlack25
    Where are the people who said it was totally ridiculous, absurd, wrong, improper, incorrect, ludicrous to compare Dirk to Gallo? Maybe it's not the most perfect comparison, but it does serve at least good enough purpose to have an ESPN writer say exactly what some people on this board have been saying for weeks.
    People who say it is crazy to compare Gallinari to Dirk say that, because Nowitzki is a 9x All Star, a former MVP, and a 1x Western Conference Champion.

    They also say that, because Nowitzki shot a better field goal percentage, averaged more points, more rebounds, and more assists than Gallinari, in his sophomore season.

    Thinking it's crazy to compare Gallinari to Durant, but finding it rational to compare Gallinari too Nowitzki, is contradictory. Nowitzki is much more accomplished than Durant, so if you feel Gallinari can be the next Dirk, you can't get offended if someone says he's not as good as a less accomplished Durant. I never compared Gallinari to Durant or Nowitzki, but since you find him comparable to Dirk, you really have no right to say anything when Jimkchief compares him to Durant.

    As for the top 20 sophomore rankings, it is no surprise that Gallinari is in the top 10. When you make the sophomore team, you're almost guaranteed a top 15 spot on the list.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Whatever I write u guys are just going to say I dont like Gallo.

    WTF! I'm writing my opinion any way.

    Gallo was put in the top 10 circle b/c his coach gave him 34 minutes of playingtime in 81 games.

    Other 2nd season players that showed more talent and potential was not able to receive such high minutes of playingtime on their team.

    JJ Hickson 20 mpg performance wouldve help the Knicks win more games than Gallo 34 MPG (Gallo made Hickson look like a super-star in the summer league games).....here are some more 2nd season bigmen that wouldve added more wins for the Knicks in the past two seasons:

    F/C-Roy Hibbert 24 mpg
    C-Jason Thompson 28 mpg
    G/F-Anthony Morrow 26 mpg

    I did not put down any 2nd season guards b/c practically all the guards wouldve been a great big improvement over Duhon.
    Excellent post. I agree. I think Gallinari should have been #15 or 16 on the list, but I understand that since he did have 34 MPG and a spot on the Sophomore team that he would get more recognition than some of the other sophomores.

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    First of all, lol at this

    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    more of a "JOKE" than this 2010 Dream-on Plan scam sold to Knick-Fans 2 years ago.
    Are you one of those disbelievers or something? Think it's some big conspiracy and that we're secretly not under the cap, it's all a big evil plan designed by Dantoni to piss you off and that it'll ultimately leave us no where with nothing... that we would have been better off overpaying awful players and winning 36 games a season...

    You really have to be retarded if you think were in anything less than a stellar position right now.. we haven't been this far under the cap in 9 years, and we do it just in time for the biggest free agency of all time - hows that not a dream scenario? What will happen, who knows... but a dream scenario - yup...

    I bet your one of the people that was pissed when we traded Crawford or Randolph... one that thought 'just give it time! we don't need a superstar.' or 'lets wait 6 years and build our team w draft picks!' probably all angry we didn't get enough talent in return for some of the trades!... wake up and smell the roses, teams are built by signing superstars, and we're in a better position then we could ever ever hope for.. a better position this off season than we have ever been and ever will be... and even if we don't get who we expect this season, having the opportunity and getting rid of some of the trash that we've dispersed of over the past 2 years will be invaluable to the team and it's future.. but na, it's prob all some scheme dream that all the dumb knick fans bought into that you've got all pessimistically figured out..



    As for Gallo..The amount of time a player plays makes no difference to me.. you play the amount of time your given and it is what it is.. I think Gallo has gone through streaks this yr.. I don't recall him ever really taking over a game, or making me think 'wow he's going to be a star..' - but I think he's a good player and has the potential to be a solid starter on a contending team..he's still real young, and if he gets quicker and works on his overall game I think he can become noteworthy.

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    I believe that Gallo perhaps received more minutes than the level of his play warranted. However, there is a method to that madness. Gallo needs to develop his game in so many ways. The experience he gained from the minutes played had to be valuable. At least it should make him realize that there is significant need for and room for improvement.

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    The **** grew this year.

    He still has work to do but I don't consider him a bust. Lopez is a solid player, but Gallinari was a good pick as well. He might not be a Nowitzki in the future but he will be a valuable asset. He will be part of a great trio like the spurs with duncan, parker, and ginobili.

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    Originally Posted by dre48ny
    The **** grew this year.
    He should do a Viagra ad.

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    Yeah. I mean, it was essentially his first full year and he put up 15 PPG while still adjusting to the NBA game. He's transitioning better than most European players - he's having a better year than Andrea Bargnani's first year, for example.

    As a person who was downright scared that Danilo wouldn't be any more than a benchwarmer this season, I've got to say that Danilo not only matched our expectations, he outright smashed them to pieces. Danilo's effectively a first-year player, and he put up 15 PPG and showed a hell of a lot of defensive improvement as the year went on.

    He's got to work on driving to the basket more but frankly he's gotten better on defense (which was one of our main concerns when we drafted him, and now that's not really as much of an issue) and it was still his first year.

    Brook Lopez probably would've been a better pick, yeah. But there's no use worrying about it now, and Danilo is putting up numbers that aren't really all that surprising given he was the 6th pick.

    I mean let's look at some of the other 6th picks in the past 10 years:

    2000 - DerMarr Johnson (but that was more of just a terrible freak accident)
    2001 - Shane Battier
    2002 - Dajuan Wagner
    2003 - Chris Kaman
    2004 - Josh Childress
    2005 - Martell Webster
    2006 - Brandon Roy
    2007 - Yi Jianlian
    2008 - Il Gallo
    2009 - Jonny Flynn

    I mean, let's be honest here - how many of those guys are really outright better than Gallo? Brandon Roy is better, Kaman is better, Flynn is probably better, Battier maybe (because of his defense), but...some of those guys aren't even in the NBA anymore - and Gallo not only is still in the NBA, he has a bright NBA future ahead of him - so let's stop whining about how we drafted a failure at #6 when we could've done much much worse.

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    [quote=SSj4Wingzero;120386]"Yeah. I mean, it was essentially his first full year and he put up 15 PPG while still adjusting to the NBA game.

    I mean, let's be honest here - how many of those guys are really outright better than Gallo? Brandon Roy is better, Kaman is better, Flynn is probably better, Battier maybe (because of his defense), but..."]

    You can't compare draft classes w/o looking at the talent of each individual class. Some drafts have 1-2 legit superstar combined with 4-5 quality players. Other classes may have 5-7 superstars combined with 8-9 quality players. Some drafts are strong & deep vs weak classes. At this point he is a decent 3 pt shooter which plays a lot of minutes due to his "uncle" coaching. We should have taken Lopez or Thompson @ center, something the Knicks needed & picked him up in a later round or another 3pt threat. Even though he is a Knick the credit of only being 21 is pointless after being hailed as the next big thing. He probably will be like Torkuglu, whom is a good player.

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    Originally Posted by Knicker23
    First of all, lol at this



    Are you one of those disbelievers or something? Think it's some big conspiracy and that we're secretly not under the cap, it's all a big evil plan designed by Dantoni to piss you off and that it'll ultimately leave us no where with nothing... that we would have been better off overpaying awful players and winning 36 games a season...

    You really have to be retarded if you think were in anything less than a stellar position right now.. we haven't been this far under the cap in 9 years, and we do it just in time for the biggest free agency of all time - hows that not a dream scenario? What will happen, who knows... but a dream scenario - yup...

    I bet your one of the people that was pissed when we traded Crawford or Randolph... one that thought 'just give it time! we don't need a superstar.' or 'lets wait 6 years and build our team w draft picks!' probably all angry we didn't get enough talent in return for some of the trades!... wake up and smell the roses, teams are built by signing superstars, and we're in a better position then we could ever ever hope for.. a better position this off season than we have ever been and ever will be... and even if we don't get who we expect this season, having the opportunity and getting rid of some of the trash that we've dispersed of over the past 2 years will be invaluable to the team and it's future.. but na, it's prob all some scheme dream that all the dumb knick fans bought into that you've got all pessimistically figured out..



    As for Gallo..The amount of time a player plays makes no difference to me.. you play the amount of time your given and it is what it is.. I think Gallo has gone through streaks this yr.. I don't recall him ever really taking over a game, or making me think 'wow he's going to be a star..' - but I think he's a good player and has the potential to be a solid starter on a contending team..he's still real young, and if he gets quicker and works on his overall game I think he can become noteworthy.
    include these teams in the hunt for a top FA too..... Nets, Heat, Wizards, Bulls, Clippers and Timberwolves.
    Having the money and none of the top-6 FA wanting to be apart of the chaos new regime Knicks makes alot of sense to u.

    Gallo 34 mpg as a starter with the greenlight to shoot anytime or anywhere he want to within those 34 minutes, got Gallo into the rook/solphmore allstar game, and the chance to become a 20 point scorer this season.
    How many rookies and 2nd season players were given the same oportunity from their God father coach?

    u didnt get the memo before the start of the season "Gallo is the best shooter I ever seen"......meaning what? meaning Gallo was going to have the greenlight to shoot 10 to 15 shot attempts per game.

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