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    Hahn's ranking of big men..

    Meanwhile, that remains a serious problem for the Knicks. And with Camby now out of the picture, the focus to upgrade the interior defense will have to turn to other options available and potentially available via free agency and trades. Here are a few and keep in mind we're looking for the best fit with the style D'Antoni wants to play, so the list doesn't rank in order of best to worst, just best fit. And that's why Carlos Boozer and David Lee aren't included, because, while the Knicks certainly have them in mind at PF, neither offer much of the defensive presence to help fill that specific need. And let's assume Dirk Nowitzki and Yao Ming stay put.




    1. Amar'e Stoudemire -- He's 7-feet and extremely athletic. No, not really great as a positional defender, but he can and does challenge shots (career-average 1.4 blocks per game). He's better as a power forward so you'd probably still need to find a center or perhaps a rugged power forward to really give you a solid frontline.


    2. Chris Bosh -- Like Stoudemire, he gets shot blocks but while he is not nearly as physically tough or intimidating as Stoudemire, he is a little better positionally and smarter. But, again, even at 6-11 (listed), he's mostly a power forward, not a center and though D'Antoni likes to play small, it might be a turn-off for Bosh to be told he'd be playing center next to, say, a 6-8 player such as Wilson Chandler. That's why Camby might have been an attraction for Bosh.


    3. Udonis Haslem -- Doubtful he'd leave Miami, even if it means he'd have to accept remaining in a reserve role behind a potential incoming PF such as Stoudemire, Bosh or Boozer. But Haslem is exactly what the Knicks need: tough, smart, experienced and disciplined, with a good mid-range game and a nose for defense. Put him next to Stoudemire or Bosh in New York and you're in good shape in the East.


    4. Amir Johnson -- At 6-9, he's a very raw power forward with extremely long arms that, on defense, make him play 7-feet. If you put him next to a high-end big such as Bosh or Stoudemire, perhaps he can be the guy you double-off of only to worry about him catching offensive put-backs, alley-oops and getting out to fill the lane on the break. A lot of untapped potential, though not much of a fundamental foundation.


    5. Tyrus Thomas -- Again, similar to Johnson in that he's really more of a power forward, but you could pair him with Bosh to offer a very long and athletic frontline. There's no question he can challenge shots with the best of them in the NBA and can also run the floor. He doesn't handle strict coaching well, so perhaps D'Antoni's approach would appeal to him. Then again, maybe it wouldn't be the best environment for a moody player like him. Offense is limited to put-backs alley-oops and cuts, but next to an all-star, that'd be all he'd get anyway.
    [Note: The Knicks would likely bypass Johnson/Thomas scenarios if they opt to draft Mississippi State's Jarvis Varnado, a 6-9 shot-blocking specialist who is projected to be available in the second round. Varnado is a project, for sure, but would come much cheaper.]

    6. Chris Kaman -- Would the Clippers new management consider trading the first-time all-star with Blake Griffin ready to make his debut? Kaman (two years, $23.5M remaining) has the tools to play in D'Antoni's system because he moves very well for a big man, has a soft touch with both hands and has the length to defend the rim. Isn't a bona-fide go-to guy, but you wouldn't trade for him to be that in this system, where he'd do more pick-and-roll/pick-and-pop stuff with what you hope is your main guy (i.e.: Joe Johnson).


    7. Brendan Haywood -- He'll be 30 years old and likely looking to join an established team (perhaps even stay in Dallas). He's a solid vet and a big body. Not sure he plays as fast as what Mike D'Antoni is going to want, but, again with the right talent at PF he can be the bodyguard you need to protect your stars and do the dirty work. Plus, he's a native New Yorker with a pretty candid blog that would be quite popular here in the media capital.


    8. Samuel Dalembert -- A terrific shot blocker (career 1.9 average) who can run the floor, but absolute head case in many other aspects, including discipline. One year left on his deal at $12.2M so it's not a major risk. You'd need serious leadership in the locker room to hold him accountable. Perhaps being in a contract year will make him more responsible.


    9. Emeka Okafor -- His contract (4 years, $52M left) could be had from the cost-conscious Hornets if the Knicks can offer payroll relief, but the Knicks should also want to get more out of New Orleans than just Okafor, who is a good shot-blocker and rebounder but positionally bad as a defender and a very limited offensive player. They can't take on that kind of a contract on it's own. That's not why they got under the cap.


    10. Tyson Chandler -- Has a $12.7M player option for next season which he's certain to pick up. Could the Knicks swap him for his pal, Eddy Curry? The main thing would be to get Chandler healthy and running hard like he did with Chris Paul in New Orleans. Him next to a Bosh or Stoudemire would make for a long front line.


    11. Erick Dampier -- If Haywood stays in Dallas, they might not need to keep Dampier, who has one year left at $13M. On 35 year old knees, he's breaking down for sure, but he does provide toughness and size and, playing next to Dirk Nowitzki, he knows how to play that role if the Knicks also get a Stoudemire or Bosh.


    12. Kurt Thomas -- Had success playing for D'Antoni in Phoenix and is a throwback to the days of tough Knick defense. He's always willing to battle and you can't have enough of those type of people in your locker room. Age (37) obviously an issue so to rely on him as a starter would be a mistake. But if you go small, young and athletic with your starting five, it wouldn't hurt to bring in Dirty Kurtie off the bench.


    13. Brad Miller -- About five or six years ago, this would be a good move. Miller was a very good mid-range shooter, a smart passer and rugged defender in the paint who wasn't afraid to mix it up. But at 34 years old lumbering around the court, he looks like a player ready to retire. As a low-cost backup? Perhaps. As a starter? Pass.


    14. Shaquille O'Neal -- He can hardly stay on the court against the athletic Joakim Noah and while his size and strength are great to have around just as a bouncer, it doesn't make a great deal of sense for the Knicks to go this route unless they have serious talent in other positions and just want to overload on star power. But he's more or less a guy who gets in the way and you have to play around him.


    15. Jermaine O'Neal -- Not the direction the Knicks want to go in, either. J-O has put up decent numbers with the Heat but doesn't at all fit in the up-tempo, quick ball movement style D'Antoni wants to play and doesn't even look like he loves to play. He lived with being third-fiddle in Miami behind Wade and Michael Beasley and perhaps recognizing where he is in his career, he'd accept being a role player for a cheap price next to prime stars.

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    How did you manage to get into Hahn's blog? Every time I try to enter, Newsday tries to charge me.

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    my isp is optimum online/cablevision.. guessing that has something to do with it


    Berman clearly has nothing new to write about in what will be a long few months before July 1st.. figured he'd try to conjure up something to go with the Camby news..

    The idea of signing Brad Miller reminds me of Issiah Thomas... not Donnie.
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    With Lebron or Wade ...

    1 Try another "great" Bosh or Amare

    2 Using the Curry for Okafor's contract + pick
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    Curry + Chandler for Okafor + Collison + maybe pick

    3 Try Amir Johnson, excellent for backup PF / C

    4 If a motion for Okafor does not work, get the FA Haywood.

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    Dallas might keep haywood ... He got a good thing going there in dallas why would he leave

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    What a joke Brad Miller!!! Who's next Hilton Armstrong.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I know this is just media speculation, and we're going to hear a lot of it between now and July 1st, but can we stop talking about aging, over-the-hill, past their prime players?

    I want a young team that can stay together and we can build from into a contender. Not a one-and-done team like the Celtics.
    Brad Miller is a backup center...and personally I like Earl Barron as our backup Center


    We need a legit Center to start that can block atleast 2 shots a game and grab 10 rebounds per....Kaman, Haywood, Okafor...should be top on the list

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    I would take him for the veterans minimum.

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    Default Mulling Mullen Miller

    Donnie Walsh mulling again. can't wait till he hires Chris Mullen to keep mullin some more

    Brad Miller, another F/C with no blocking ability? I don't think so. I agree, vets min, OK. c'mon, do we really need to rebuild team with guys on their last legs?

    from that biggie list, I'd be happy with, for pure defensive presence:

    Bosh or A'm'ar'e - as both are gonna cost max, i'd prefer Bosh
    Dalembert
    Haywood
    T-rex Thomas - wish we could've traded Al Brickington for TT
    Okafor, as long as we got a PG out of the deal (collison, paul) OR got rid of Heavy Curry ( hell I'd take anybody on list to get rid of that fat ahole).

    No to Haslem (DLEE is better)
    No to old knees:
    Dampier
    Kunt Thomas
    The O'Neals

    I'd rather the Knicks go young, get someone like JaVale McGee, or trade up to draft Cole Aldrich, DeMarcus Cousins, or Hassan Whiteside, or wait for 2nd round for Solomon Alabi or even Expe Udoh (great name, huge wingspan).

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    Is Walsh mulling Reggie Miller and Rik Smits out of free agency and retirement too? Wow I just love how he mulls every ex-Pacer piece of **** into our Knicks.

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    Originally Posted by Arod2k9
    Is Walsh mulling Reggie Miller and Rik Smits out of free agency and retirement too? Wow I just love how he mulls every ex-Pacer piece of **** into our Knicks.
    lolRikSmits. Nice one.

    As mentioned, if this does go down we can expect it to be for a leauge min salary and whatnot. And it's a big if. Either way it seems like a pretty inconsequential move -- let alone rumor.

    It does comically speak to our dire need for a legit frontcourt.

    I'm getting higher on TyrusT and pairing him with a Bosh if need be...im not sure I'm ready to relinquish Curry for Emeka...

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    1) This is one of many rumors

    2) If we get him for cheap, why not. Seriously, what realistic or even better options are out there? Trade for inconsistent failures with big contracts and add to our salaries? How in the world are we going to trade Curry for Emeka without giving up something first? Is Isiah on the hornets now? Whoever trades for Curry is buying him out. They want something in return to replace X player they lost. Draft one? You honestly think the chances of picking a center in the 2nd round being better then Brad Miller are that good? What sport are you watching?

    3) I doubt Walsh will make any moves until he secures his supposed superstars first. Which in the end, if Lebron or Wade happen to come here I am pretty sure most fans don't give crap on who we sign or draft at center.

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    Angry We could use Brad Miller and some ..........

    Originally Posted by Knicker23
    my isp is optimum online/cablevision.. guessing that has something to do with it


    Berman clearly has nothing new to write about in what will be a long few months before July 1st.. figured he'd try to conjure up something to go with the Camby news..

    The idea of signing Brad Miller reminds me of Issiah Thomas... not Donnie.
    Yeah optonline lets me in there for free too.

    Berman's calculation on Brad Miller lies with the Knicks keeping PF-David Lee and C-Earl Barron. A 34 year old Brad Miller knows the ins and outs of the center-position which would improve Earl Barron's talent just like Miller improved Noah's talents at the center spot.
    It's the same as an experience 37 year old F/C-Kurt Thomas polishing-up Andrew Bogut's talent.

    However.......
    The Knicks Bigman problem lies within having a headcoach which is clueless of coaching NBA bigmen. Plus having an assistant coach that just sit back doing nothing but waiting for his time to become the Knicks interim headcoach for a full season.

    How the Knicks spend the $34M this summer with so many holes and missing players at practically all the "starter" and backup positions will be a miracle.
    Money have to be spent on a starting center and backup center (Eddy Curry indirectly wants to be traded with one year left on his contract).
    The Knicks also have to spend money for a starter & backup PF and SG.
    Toney Douglas has the potential to be a decent backup PG next season if the Knicks spend money on getting a decent starting PG this summer.

    The truth of the matter.....deleting the Knicks of players and first-round draft picks for cap-space will take a big bite out of the Knicks future success come October 1st 2010.
    Knowing 2 years ago we did not have a 2010 first-round draft pick, plus all the rumors of the salary-cap being decrease before 2010, were two strong reasons why the Knicks could not have a 2010 plan.
    But no fan wanted to listen to Kiyaman!


    The 2010 Plan was not supposed to be put into effect untill after.....
    I said "AFTER" Zach, Crawful, and Curry were "all" traded for decent tradeable players....not before!!!

    P.S. Check out the Nets 2010 Plan.....it went into full effect after Kidd, Jefferson, and Carter were traded.
    The Nets have $30M to spend this summer plus a Lottery pick

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Yeah optonline lets me in there for free too.

    Berman's calculation on Brad Miller lies with the Knicks keeping PF-David Lee and C-Earl Barron. A 34 year old Brad Miller knows the ins and outs of the center-position which would improve Earl Barron's talent just like Miller improved Noah's talents at the center spot.
    It's the same as an experience 37 year old F/C-Kurt Thomas polishing-up Andrew Bogut's talent.

    However.......
    The Knicks Bigman problem lies within having a headcoach which is clueless of coaching NBA bigmen. Plus having an assistant coach that just sit back doing nothing but waiting for his time to become the Knicks interim headcoach for a full season.

    How the Knicks spend the $34M this summer with so many holes and missing players at practically all the "starter" and backup positions will be a miracle.
    Money have to be spent on a starting center and backup center (Eddy Curry indirectly wants to be traded with one year left on his contract).
    The Knicks also have to spend money for a starter & backup PF and SG.
    Toney Douglas has the potential to be a decent backup PG next season if the Knicks spend money on getting a decent starting PG this summer.

    The truth of the matter.....deleting the Knicks of players and first-round draft picks for cap-space will take a big bite out of the Knicks future success come October 1st 2010.
    Knowing 2 years ago we did not have a 2010 first-round draft pick, plus all the rumors of the salary-cap being decrease before 2010, were two strong reasons why the Knicks could not have a 2010 plan.
    But no fan wanted to listen to Kiyaman!


    The 2010 Plan was not supposed to be put into effect untill after.....
    I said "AFTER" Zach, Crawful, and Curry were "all" traded for decent tradeable players....not before!!!

    P.S. Check out the Nets 2010 Plan.....it went into full effect after Kidd, Jefferson, and Carter were traded.
    The Nets have $30M to spend this summer plus a Lottery pick

    This is just a wild guess but something tells me you don't like Dantoni or the 2010 Walsh plan...guess how I know? Because you bring it up in EVERY SINGLE THREAD regardless of the topic.

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Yeah optonline lets me in there for free too.

    Berman's calculation on Brad Miller lies with the Knicks keeping PF-David Lee and C-Earl Barron. A 34 year old Brad Miller knows the ins and outs of the center-position which would improve Earl Barron's talent just like Miller improved Noah's talents at the center spot.
    It's the same as an experience 37 year old F/C-Kurt Thomas polishing-up Andrew Bogut's talent.

    However.......
    The Knicks Bigman problem lies within having a headcoach which is clueless of coaching NBA bigmen. Plus having an assistant coach that just sit back doing nothing but waiting for his time to become the Knicks interim headcoach for a full season.

    How the Knicks spend the $34M this summer with so many holes and missing players at practically all the "starter" and backup positions will be a miracle.
    Money have to be spent on a starting center and backup center (Eddy Curry indirectly wants to be traded with one year left on his contract).
    The Knicks also have to spend money for a starter & backup PF and SG.
    Toney Douglas has the potential to be a decent backup PG next season if the Knicks spend money on getting a decent starting PG this summer.

    The truth of the matter.....deleting the Knicks of players and first-round draft picks for cap-space will take a big bite out of the Knicks future success come October 1st 2010.
    Knowing 2 years ago we did not have a 2010 first-round draft pick, plus all the rumors of the salary-cap being decrease before 2010, were two strong reasons why the Knicks could not have a 2010 plan.
    But no fan wanted to listen to Kiyaman!


    The 2010 Plan was not supposed to be put into effect untill after.....
    I said "AFTER" Zach, Crawful, and Curry were "all" traded for decent tradeable players....not before!!!

    P.S. Check out the Nets 2010 Plan.....it went into full effect after Kidd, Jefferson, and Carter were traded.
    The Nets have $30M to spend this summer plus a Lottery pick
    How do you know D'Ant clueless about coaching bigmen? And plz don't assume that you can prove this SWEEPING assertion by saying bc he DNP'd Darko....

    How do you know our assistant coach does absolutely nothing but wait to become the full-time coach?

    And our plan is working to perfection. It'd be a miracle to find a way to fill our roster?

    You do realize we have a MLE, 2 MAX signings, and cap to sign as many backup C's to appease your obsessions?

    And we have Gallo...and we have Chandler and Serg to package....with Curry...to swiftly get Okefur/Collinson...quite possibly even Chris Paul?

    Nonetheless, our present situation really has NOTHING to do with D'Ant...and frankly, LITTLE to do with Walsh...Walsh has made the best out of a bad situation for us.

    But like a rape victim -- you -- having been raped so many times by the rapist -- Isiah -- it is as if you can't see the truth of reality, and you see and cry rapist everywhere (D'ant...Walsh)

    There are a million distinct scenarios in which we leave this OS contenders...and YOUNG contenders loaded with dynamic potential at that. It's a shame you won't allow yourself to see this and aren't enjoying the process.

    Also, an FYI...Curry wasn't being traded for "decent" "tradeable" players...he wasn't being traded for the used condom of a sex-crazed midget.

    Walsh played the Curry situation to perfection, too, and now we have a HUGE asset that will get us some combo of a legit C and PG, and possibly even Chris Paul.

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