Mike D'Antoni The Meter Is Running

Red

TYPE-A
@ Trill

This is all anecdotal and poppycock...want to know what the Knicks identity is right now? Losers!
No, I don't want to know what the Knick identity is now... If I did I would of asked.

If that changes and it happens to be from an explosive high flying offense then that will be our identity. If it comes from lock-down defense then great!

I.e... You support coach. Read carefully... As a confident adult, I can understand it... But you keep repeating and defending your position... And subsequently think you're smart enough to call me out as you do what you accuse me of. Your love for me has clouded your judgement and your complex is permiating through your writing. You're not quite there yet... A for effort... Anyway


No one is anti-defense and that includes D'ant. (BTW, the 70's Knicks who won two titles may have played good defense but they were known for their unselfish play and constant ball movement something D'ant emphasizes)


Hummm... Did I say you were anti-defense? B/c you seem to feel you can speak for everyone. Again, being short isn't personal. Your complex and subsequent rants on your soap-box indicate your threatened position and screams insecurity. Coupled w/ your propensity to argue (using childish tech's which I exposed) is indicative of your inferior introspect. Its all right Trill. Back to your hogwash...
Those teams you mentioned were not defined by their nick names or identity...the players played and won a specific way and EARNED that identity. The key being the PLAYERS. The Bronx Bombers could call themselves that all day but without homerun hitters it would be some random nickname without meaning.
Exactly, w/o defensive players we won't be a defensive team.
 
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Red

TYPE-A
Cont'd

Wow, I thought I taught you how to understand contextualizing. I'll rephrase to assist your anger driven, limited mind-set. Those teams drafted and built based on their identity NOT nickname. Have you noticed in your infinite wisdom the Knicks drafting/building w/ an identity influenced by D'Antoni? Breathe were getting closer.


Next...a history lesson on the 1970's NYK's? Do I have to point out your over expressed afinity for a 30yr old team? One which you should have been too young to enjoy.... Or your over emphasis to be such a supporter? I guess b/c you can spew glossy views of our historic franchise you have credence? Nope. Again, feeling the need to defend your position in such a condecending way indicates insecurity. I'll let you figure out why. See what anger does to you. Those teams were built/influenced by what their identity was. They played & were coached and won/loss, but adhered to an identity. East teams historically have defenses,West mostly scoring. No matter the coach or manager, their identity remains. Ours was defense... D'Antoni's isn't. Save your arguable drival- you can never convince me or any knowledgeable person otherwise. Let me guess... That word knowledgeable is getting to you. That complex again.
The Yankees didn't just call themselves that b/c it was cool. Do your homework. You think the Steel
 
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TR1LL10N

Hannibal Lecter
No, I don't want to know what the Knick identity is now... If I did I would of asked.



I.e... You support coach. Read carefully... As a confident adult, I can understand it... But you keep repeating and defending your position... And subsequently think you're smart enough to call me out as you do what you accuse me of. Your love for me has clouded your judgement and your complex is permiating through your writing. You're not quite there yet... A for effort... Anyway




Hummm... Did I say you were anti-

This was a nice attempt at being witty but it crashed and burned like your "logic" on the Knicks. You did not address a single point I made nor did you type anything remotely funny.

Sorry to burst your bubble but out of all the forum members I have ever encountered on any website you would be at the very bottom of posters I would consider "love" for. I don't even hate or dislike you...the accurate word would be pity. Pity that you are so poor at writing. Pity that you can't grasp simple basketball logic. Pity that simple points made in your direction fall on deaf ignorant ears. You are the KO.com equivlent of an Ethiopian child with a destended stomach and fly on your lip...you need a charity built for your cause.

For the record, I don't do anything close to what you do. I don't lurch from thread to thread repeating the same discredited talking points over and over. I don't hijack threads and change the subject just to further my pessimistic rants. No sir, that distinction falls on you and the rest of the crybaby chorus of emotional d-bags. The only thing I am guilty of is trying to make you understand logic in the hopes I don't have to read your same tired drivel for the umpteenth time.
 

TR1LL10N

Hannibal Lecter
Hummm... Did I say you were anti-defense? B/c you seem to feel you can speak for everyone. Again, being short isn't personal. Your complex and subsequent rants on your soap-box indicate your threatened position and screams insecurity. Coupled w/ your propensity to argue (using childish tech's which I exposed) is indicative of your inferior introspect. Its all right Trill. Back to your hogwash...

Wow you finally discovered the "paragraph"! Good for you guy! And such big words! Dictionary.com must be grateful for your attempts at sounding educated. Now only if there were a website where you could look up information on how to get a clue...
 

Red

TYPE-A
Curtain wasn't part of their plan? That PIT all of a sudden learned defense? Nope. More wikipedia for you.

You are not ahead of the curve...you are looking backwards whether it be the 90's Knicks or old school Yanks. You act as if you and the other pessimists coined and own the importance of defense. It's a laughable strawman argment designed to paint your opposition as some how anti-defense.


Again, while flatering, your response is alarming. Add sensativity to your bowl of inferior self worth trail mix. I act as if I coined the term etc... Paint my opposition... Nice try but allow me to interject... When I wrote; you (or anyone you consider my opposition) were about as far away from my mind as the morning sh*t I took last Monday. Face it, you're insignificant and have been since Metro's sodemization. But good effort in trying to salvage your rep. It starts with your affinity and subsequent mimic of styles- then after reading my posts you added your fake intellectual flavor- don't think I didn't notice.... Problem is when you're not as intelligent as you try to come off, you lose credibility from those who know better. Again, A for effort. Thumbs up big boy!
It's absurd and highlights your lack of an argument. We all know the importance of defense but you seem to forget that we have a 6'9 PF playing center, no true SG and no competent PG.
 
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TR1LL10N

Hannibal Lecter
Wow, I thought I taught you how to understand contextualizing. I'll rephrase to assist your anger driven, limited mind-set. Those teams drafted and built based on their identity NOT nickname. Have you noticed in your infinite wisdom the Knicks drafting/building w/ an identity influenced by D'Antoni? Breathe were getting closer.


Next...a history lesson on the 1970's NYK's? Do I have to point out your over expressed afinity for a 30yr old team? One which you should have been too young to enjoy.... Or your over emphasis to be such a supporter? I guess b/c you can spew glossy views of our historic franchise you have credence? Nope. Again, feeling the need to defend your position in such a condecending way indicates insecurity. I'll let you figure out why. See what anger does to you. Those teams were built/influenced by what their identity was. They played & were coached and won/loss, but adhered to an identity. East teams historically have defenses,West mostly scoring. No matter the coach or manager, their identity remains. Ours was defense... D'Antoni's isn't. Save your arguable drival- you can never convince me or any knowledgeable person otherwise. Let me guess... That word knowledgeable is getting to you. That complex again.
The Yankees didn't just call themselves that b/c it was cool. Do your homework. You think the Steel

Your silly point about identity was soundly rebuked and discredited and now you want to change the subject...I don't blame you. Oh the emotional rants of a depressed child...you say I have a complex yet you call me out in every other thread including directing an entire thread towards me. oops! Thought that your dedication thread which I thoroughly romped you in and sent you running would be so quickly forgotten...huh? :teeth: Me thinks you are projecting more than a Sony IMAX theater. Go ahead dude...create ANOTHER thread in my honor and I will be glad to embarrass you once again.

Lets also examine how you completely contradict yourself...shall we? I stated that a team and identity is defined by the players and used your example of the Bronx Bombers as proof that you need homerun hitters to "own that identity". You wrote AFTER my irrefutable logic:

Exactly, w/o defensive players we won't be a defensive team.

Conceding the point and completely discrediting your initial post. After writing and admiting your failures you then revert back once again:

They played & were coached and won/loss, but adhered to an identity. East teams historically have defenses,West mostly scoring. No matter the coach or manager, their identity remains. Ours was defense

So which is it nimrod? Is it the players who define a teams identity or their conference or history? Does a team keep the same identity regardless of players, coaches and era's or does that change with the times?

You're too easy and a scrub barely worth my time. You rant about my "over emphasis" and "support" as if I was gushing about the 70's team. I merly corrected the record. Sorry if you don't understand or know the history of the team you claim to be a fan of. I make no apologies for having gone back and learned about the greatest Knick team ever assembled. You might want to do the same lest you further your ignorance about a subject you furiously type about...

Good day sir.
 

Red

TYPE-A
(there's that argument word again... So combative aren't we?) Here's an astute observation... I mention historic identity & I'm crucified and called living in the past.

You continually mention PHX w/ D'Antoni and you thought I would let that slip? +1 for you thinking you were special. +2 for putting words in mouths.


Yet you would have us believe all the blame is to be laid on D'ants shoulders ignoring that his departure from the Suns did not lead to a lock down Suns defense. Even with Shaq they still played mediocre D at best and now without Shaq are once again one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Since D'ant is gone and they still play lackluster defensive us rational individuals can safely conclude it's because of the players not a system.
I put all the blame on D'Ant... That's a limited crux used to over-generalize and de-contextualize my and others stance. Such broad and sweeping assertions... I guess I could now say you feel D'Antoni is the end all be all best coach ever.
But with the .001% of my mind I dedicate to you (feel better?) I understand w/o generalizing. Re-read and maybe you'll catch on. BTW... Since D'Antoni has gone... PHX still made the playoffs. Go Figure.
 

TR1LL10N

Hannibal Lecter
(there's that argument word again... So combative aren't we?) Here's an astute observation... I mention historic identity & I'm crucified and called living in the past.

You continually mention PHX w/ D'Antoni and you thought I would let that slip? +1 for you thinking you were special. +2 for putting words in mouths.

You are obsessed with me huh? Why can't this remain on the merits of topic...why must you try to make this about me? I already discredited everything you have to say and will be happy to shred you like a head of cabbage.

I mention the Suns because that was the last team our current head Coach coached. Further they have a very similar core and have the same high scoring lack of D "identity". You are using D'ant's HISTORY to assert he is incapable of teaching defense. I astutely show that the Suns even under a different coach retain the similar if not same exact identity. You want to somehow turn that into a "gotcha" moment as if I am contradicting myself but it fails miserably. Instead of debating basketball you want to try and make me seem disingenuous...that irony does not go unnoticed.
 

TR1LL10N

Hannibal Lecter
Trillion, I liked reading your posts. The pessimism I keep reading from Knicks fans is sickening. (HI Still a Fan I know your on here) Quick all together now let's all complain about Mike D'antoni. Boo Hoo. Bring back Van Gundy. Some people are never satisfied and complain like old ladies.


Missed this...thanks.
 

Red

TYPE-A
You are obsessed with me huh? Why can't this remain on the merits of topic...why must you try to make this about me?
Because you seem to need my attention. Now you got it. Below will be (what I suspect will continue) your misrepresentation and moronic contradictions as you attempt to argue but really document my point. So sad...
I already discredited everything you have to say and will be happy to shred you like a head of cabbage.
No my son... Amare ALREADY discredited your poorly founded assertions. But yet you argue. We call that stuborness son. Add Corny to your profile.


I mention the Suns because that was the last team our current head Coach coached. Further they have a very similar core and have the same high scoring lack of D "identity". You are using D'ant's HISTORY to assert he is incapable of teaching defense. I astutely show that the Suns even under a different coach retain the similar if not same exact identity.
See I told you, can't help but embarras yourself can you? Nash & Amare are similar to our core? Damn your credibility is almost in the negative. For once you're correct with one thing, and simultaneously agree with what I said. Very good son. Let's continue... here's where you need a breath b/c a point will be made using YOUR WORDS.

See this: "I astutely show that the Suns even under a different coach retain the similar if not same exact identity"? That was my point that you argued but yet reiterated. That's not a gotcha moment...
it's a stop wasting everyones time Trill moment. Your propensity for arguing is femanine and annoying.
...as if I am contradicting myself but it fails miserably. Instead of debating basketball you want to try and make me seem disingenuous...that irony does not go unnoticed.


I would say you seem frustrated, foolish and biased towards your great white hypes (D'ant,Gal,Lee). But hey it all leads to the same conclusion right?
 

TR1LL10N

Hannibal Lecter
Because you seem to need my attention. Now you got it.

Says the poster who creates entire threads dedicated to me and screams my name out in more posts then a girl climaxing...


Amare ALREADY discredited your poorly founded assertions. But yet you argue. We call that stuborness son. Add Corny to your profile.

Amare gave his biased opinion and nothing more. I already showed how he averages less blocks now then he did under D'ant and how they continue to be one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Stats don't lie..humans do. I have the stats on my side and you have your ignorance. Enjoy!

See I told you, can't help but embarrass yourself can you? Nash & Amare are similar to our core?

Reading is not your strong suit huh? They have a similar core to the one they had under D;ant. Notice how I was talking about the Suns then and the Suns now...pick up a book and put down the lead paint chips you snack on and you might not further embarrass yourself. Oh the irony...you attempt to embarrass me but in the process further expose yourself. You are comedic gold! :teeth:

See this: "I astutely show that the Suns even under a different coach retain the similar if not same exact identity"? That was my point that you argued but yet reiterated. That's not a gotcha moment...
it's a stop wasting everyones time Trill moment.

You're a RED nosed clown. You were making an argument that a team must conform to some predefined identity and used the KNicks, Steelers and Yanks as evidence. I completely countered that assertion and now you want to pretend you were making my point? :teeth: GTFOH! I already quoted 2 contradictory posts you made that show you are arguing with yourself. Allow me to step back and lets see which version of Red win out...

Your propensity for arguing is femanine and annoying.

Coming from the poster who creates threads in my honor, calls me out and cries about the Knicks every chance she gets. Keep projecting my little child...in 1080P no less!

I would say you seem frustrated, foolish and biased towards your great white hypes (D'ant,Gal,Lee). But hey it all leads to the same conclusion right?

Boom goes the dynamite! And the race card hath been played!

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I should have know that you couldn't stay on topic and debate the merits. Tell tale sign of someone who is losing a debate...they play the race card! You fail and this seals the deal. I will assume if Gallo, D'ant and Walsh were black you would be defending them...AMIRITE?
 

knickzrulezH20

Sexy Stud
Lol Trill and Red, you guys have been going at it for a good couple of months now.


But I'm with Sly. July 1st could be the defining day in Knicks history.

And let's get Dant some talent before we crucify him.
 

NYKnuniversity

Benchwarmer
if we dont get a big name then this will be worse than the Isiah Saga
No it wont...atleast we wont be stuck with horrible contracts for the next decade. We wont need to match salaries in trades, and will have the ability to go after whoever we want moving forward.
 

Red

TYPE-A
Amare gave his biased opinion and nothing more. I already showed how he averages less blocks now then he did under D'ant and how they continue to be one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Stats don't lie..humans do. I have the stats on my side and you have your ignorance. Enjoy

Ah... ya think Amare's opinion is biased, after all he did play for D'Antoni right? But I guess your the authority on what's valid, not the former player right. Your getting desperate.

A Stat is a measurable used to misconstru in arguing. Had you been aware... you would have known this. What the "stats" don't say is Amare is coming off major injuries and to credit D'Antoni for whatever his blocks per were is pathetic. I'm almost mad I dedicated .001% to sh*t on your rediculous claims. But some one has to right?

And I thought you were saying PHX and the NYK's had a comparable core. I was mistaken, that's easy for me to admit... lesson #10 son. Good thing you didn't say that one.

You were making an argument that a team must conform to some predefined identity and used the KNicks, Steelers and Yanks as evidence.
Realize young one, I simply used them as an example to make a point- one that wasn't even directed at you. Here are more examples you can use to make yourself look silly... NY is known for being fast paced, knowledgeable fans (except you), and little patience.

I am not making an argument that teams need to comform to anything... wake up McFly... that was your poor attempt at turning my opinion into one. See a pattern here? Needs to conform? SMH damn pathetic.

Hey pal... the "race card" is a phrase used to describe veiled racism. I never called you racist. (that cpu in Florida hasn't been used much has it). I simply pointed out your affinity for three members of the Knicks who happen to be white- hence your hype.

I could go on, but I know you'll continue posting and proving how frustrated and argumentative you are. It's getting sad.
 

SgtOrange

Benchwarmer
Anyone who wants D'Antoni out now or who thinks he's done a bad job is being stupid. Look at our roster and tell me who would do much better. I mean seriously.
 

NYKnuniversity

Benchwarmer
Ah... ya think Amare's opinion is biased, after all he did play for D'Antoni right? But I guess your the authority on what's valid, not the former player right. Your getting desperate.

A Stat is a measurable used to misconstru in arguing. Had you been aware... you would have known this. What the "stats" don't say is Amare is coming off major injuries and to credit D'Antoni for whatever his blocks per were is pathetic. I'm almost mad I dedicated .001% to sh*t on your rediculous claims. But some one has to right?

And I thought you were saying PHX and the NYK's had a comparable core. I was mistaken, that's easy for me to admit... lesson #10 son. Good thing you didn't say that one.


Realize young one, I simply used them as an example to make a point- one that wasn't even directed at you. Here are more examples you can use to make yourself look silly... NY is known for being fast paced, knowledgeable fans (except you), and little patience.

I am not making an argument that teams need to comform to anything... wake up McFly... that was your poor attempt at turning my opinion into one. See a pattern here? Needs to conform? SMH damn pathetic.

Hey pal... the "race card" is a phrase used to describe veiled racism. I never called you racist. (that cpu in Florida hasn't been used much has it). I simply pointed out your affinity for three members of the Knicks who happen to be white- hence your hype.

I could go on, but I know you'll continue posting and proving how frustrated and argumentative you are. It's getting sad.
Smh... Opinions outweigh stats now...someone didnt finish law school. Oh boy. You're just shitting on the entire forum of people huh? You're just too good.
 

Crazy⑧s

Evacuee
Hey pal... the "race card" is a phrase used to describe veiled racism. I never called you racist. (that cpu in Florida hasn't been used much has it). I simply pointed out your affinity for three members of the Knicks who happen to be white- hence your hype.

Where's the veil here?

There's a fail here.

But no veil here.
 
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