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    (P.B= Playoff Bonus which PS: doesnt count against the cap)


    Starters
    PG: Toney Douglas
    SG: LeBron James (16.5 mill with 2 million PB)
    SF: Danilo Gallinari
    PF: David Lee (9 Million with 2 Million dollar PB)
    C: Tyson Chandler (9 million with 2 million dollar PB)

    BENCH
    2nd round pick 1 (SG Jordan Crawford)
    2nd round pick 2 (PF Tiny Gallon)
    C Earl Barron (minimum)
    SF/SG Wilson Chandler
    SF/SG Bill Walker (1 million)
    PG Rafer Alston (Vets Minimum)
    C/PF Jeff Foote (sign him at minimum if he goes undrafted)
    C/PF Eddy Curry
    SG/SF Tracy McGrady (1mill with 2 mill playoff bonus)



    Then next year we use Curry's expiring 11.5 to Strenghen the Bench (Glen Davis wouldnt be a bad idea) and or get a better PG.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

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    Originally Posted by KnicksWillRiseAgain
    (P.B= Playoff Bonus which PS: doesnt count against the cap)


    Starters
    PG: Toney Douglas
    SG: LeBron James (16.5 mill with 2 million PB)
    SF: Danilo Gallinari
    PF: David Lee (9 Million with 2 Million dollar PB)
    C: Tyson Chandler (9 million with 2 million dollar PB)

    BENCH
    2nd round pick 1 (SG Jordan Crawford)
    2nd round pick 2 (PF Tiny Gallon)
    C Earl Barron (minimum)
    SF/SG Wilson Chandler
    SF/SG Bill Walker (1 million)
    PG Rafer Alston (Vets Minimum)
    C/PF Jeff Foote (sign him at minimum if he goes undrafted)
    C/PF Eddy Curry
    SG/SF Tracy McGrady (1mill with 2 mill playoff bonus)



    Then next year we use Curry's expiring 11.5 to Strenghen the Bench (Glen Davis wouldnt be a bad idea) and or get a better PG.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
    $9M to Lee and Chandler is an insult to Lee.

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    Originally Posted by Oldtimer
    HomeTheatreGuy and Crazy8s have interesting scenarios, with Crazy8s' focus on a roster without LeBron.

    I think it is a good idea to consider rosters with LeBron James and without LeBron James. But if its with LeBron, I don't really care because Bosh or some other top player is likely to follow. If it's without LeBron, then I have no idea because there are too many possible combinations.

    There is an old line -- "if you do not have an alternative, then you do not have a problem." I think LeBron has a "problem" because he has alternatives in front of him.

    In my view, he has three real alternatives. First is to stay in Cleveland. If LeBron signs with his home team, it will not have the space to sign another top player -- they will not be a championship team. But if he leaves Cleveland, his image will take a beating. He will be a pariah at home.

    Second, is to go to Chicago. I will accept Chicago as the place where he is more likely, at least in the short run, to win championships. But Rose, though a terrific player who is likely to get better, needs the ball and is not a great complement to LeBron, And Chicago is still Jordan's town. LeBron is not likely to win 6 titles and will always play in Jordan's shadow. And I just do not see him going to Miami or the Clippers.

    Third is the Knicks. We can sign a second max who will complement LeBron and with a second max we would certainly have a better roster than Cleveland. I think we have a good shot. The competition is Cleveland and home cooking.

    LeBron knows what his choices are, but I am afraid that he will delay a decision because of indecision and that is going to create problems wih respect to a second max.

    There was a phrase I recently came across --"Buridan's ass." The "ass" is the animal, not the body part. Buridan is Jean Buridan, a fourteenth century French philospher. The phrase is a denigration of purely rational thought. The suggestion is an ass standing between two equal piles of food. The ass must find a reason to start at one pile or the other, but there is no rational basis for choosing one over the other. So the ass starves as he tries to make the decision.

    At some point LeBron is going to have to bite the bullet and make the decision. Unfortunately, he is probably going to enjoy the limelight as he ponders. If LeBron did not have that "loyalty" weight on his shoulders, I have no doubt that he would move toward the bright lights of basketball's mecca.

    As for our roster without LeBron, there are just too many possible combinations and permutations. We will have money to spend, but not assets, other than Lee for a short period, that can be used in sign and trades.
    And that, folks, is a wrap!

    Rad post

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    Originally Posted by Crazy8s
    $9M to Lee and Chandler is an insult to Lee.
    Add the 2 million dollar playoff bonus and a raise to 10.5 next year and that's a pretty fair deal for both sides.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    What is YOUR best off season moves for the Knicks based on their cap space and the projected 56.1 Million cap for the 2010 season.

    If the projected cap numbers stick, this will leave the knicks with a few possible salary scenarios and everything being equal; this is MY best lineup and the numbers to make it work.
    The Knicks will have 17.7 mill on the books for 2010 so that will leave them about 38.4 mill under the cap. They also have 2 trade exceptions valued at 3.27 million that can be added to the cap giving them roughly 41.6 mill to play with. The Knicks can either sign 2 Max salaries and have nothing left to spend beside the league minimum and Curry's expiring contract to fill out their roster or they can do a combination of 1 max free agent and 2 mid level agents plus use Curry's expiring contract to nab another mid level guy or use the whole cap to sign 4-6 mid level guys.... Looking at the what guys are on the market (either as free agents or being shopped around) I think the Knicks should take advantage of this market and sign 1 max (Only if that is LaBron or Dirk Nowitski) and 2-3 mid level guys and here is my wish list.

    Starting off with 42.6 million plus Curry's 11.3 remaining contract:
    Sign and trade David Lee for Tony Parker
    Why? In Dantoni's system he needs a pure 1; someone that can general the floor and Tony Parker is the best available guard to do it and he is a top PG in the NBA; a opportunity that doesn't come often.
    Parker has 13.5 Mil left on his contract and I would see if SA does a straight Lee for Parker sign and trade deal. we will say Lee is sign for the exact amount as Parker for easier math (reality it would be a give or take by a mil or 2).

    42.6 - 13.5 = 29.1

    Trade Curry's expiring contract to NO for Okafor.
    Okafor 2010 salary is 11.5 and Curry is is 11.3
    Okafor is a defensive big man at 6' 11" and I would move him back to his natural position at the 4 and with his strength and quickness combo, he should be tremendous force at the 4.

    We end up loosing about 1 mill on the deal leaving us with 29....

    Sign Tyson Chandler for 5 years 50 million and back load it so first year is 8 mil and that is what counts towards the 2010 cap.

    If Chandler is close to healthy he is a 7' 1" 5 that is versatile and a shot blocking machine. With Chandler at the 5 and Okafor at the 4, they are quick enough to run with Dantoni's offense and able to defend their positions.

    This will leave us with 21 Million.

    Try to sign LaBron. If LaBron signs out right for the max, that would be 5 years @ 96.2. That divided by 5 is 19.24 a year. If the Kicks back loaded the contract, they could knock that down to about 17 mil towards the 2010 cap.
    That would give the Knicks around 4 mil to still fill out the roster.
    If the Knicks work out a sign and trade deal with Cleveland to sign LaBron to the Team max 6 year 126 Mil or 21 mil a year; the Knicks could still back load it and knock that number down to about 19 mil for 2010 leaving the Knick 2 Million to fill out the roster. The Knicks could try to include a player in the deal, like Chandler @ 2.1 mill and keep in mind that id they renounce the rights to Rodriguez they get back 2.8 mil and then he is an unrestricted free agent.

    Worst case scenario (LaBron @ 6 years salary):
    Starters
    Chandler
    Okafor
    Gallinari
    James
    Parker

    Bench
    Wilson Chandler
    Tony Douglas
    Walker
    Giddings

    4.9 Mil to fill out the rest of the spots (Based on the fact there is no way they keep Rodriguez).

    Best Scenario (James at 5 year salary):
    Starters
    Chandler
    Okafor
    Gallinari
    James
    Parker

    Bench
    Wilson Chandler
    Tony Douglas
    Walker
    Giddings

    8.9 Mil to fill out the rest of the spots (Again, based on the fact there is no way they keep Rodriguez).

    Depending on the remaining cap space, I would try to sign Drew Gooden to come off the Bench for the 5/4 spots or even see if we could land Ray Allen with the remaining money.

    I think we will get the most bang for our buck this way and this team would make it to the finals!!

    Hey we only have like 34 mil to work with if we can dump Curry let's call it 45.5 mil

    Sign Bron and Bosh to 17 and 16 mil respectively( we gain 1 mil cause we dont have to pay the .5 mil for each of their roster spots)

    Trade Curry for Okafor (wash)

    That leaves 2 mil.

    Sign CJ watson for 2.5 mil (gaining the .5 for his roster spot)

    You Got

    Watson/Douglas
    Lebron/walker/ (sign undrafted Andy Rautins)
    Gallo/W.Chandler/(sign undrafted??)
    Bosh ( pick Jarvis Varando)
    Okafor/(Pick Jerome Jordan or Art Kowahouski???)
    Sign CJ watson for 2.5 MIl

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    I read that Steve Nash is tradeable now because of dragic this trade probably wouldn't work but it would be curry chandler Douglas harrington for Nash it's a pipe dream but because stat will most likely be gone it is most likely that he will want to be traded they will be going into rebuilding mode

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    Originally Posted by wnyknicksfan
    I read that Steve Nash is tradeable now because of dragic this trade probably wouldn't work but it would be curry chandler Douglas harrington for Nash it's a pipe dream but because stat will most likely be gone it is most likely that he will want to be traded they will be going into rebuilding mode
    do u have a link or source

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    I'm pretty sure it was on realgm I find it highly unlikely but it would be
    Nash
    Lebron
    Gallo
    Lee
    Chandler
    That would be a pretty amazing team

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    Originally Posted by KnicksWillRiseAgain
    (P.B= Playoff Bonus which PS: doesnt count against the cap)


    Starters
    PG: Toney Douglas
    SG: LeBron James (16.5 mill with 2 million PB)
    SF: Danilo Gallinari
    PF: David Lee (9 Million with 2 Million dollar PB)
    C: Tyson Chandler (9 million with 2 million dollar PB)

    BENCH
    2nd round pick 1 (SG Jordan Crawford)
    2nd round pick 2 (PF Tiny Gallon)
    C Earl Barron (minimum)
    SF/SG Wilson Chandler
    SF/SG Bill Walker (1 million)
    PG Rafer Alston (Vets Minimum)
    C/PF Jeff Foote (sign him at minimum if he goes undrafted)
    C/PF Eddy Curry
    SG/SF Tracy McGrady (1mill with 2 mill playoff bonus)



    Then next year we use Curry's expiring 11.5 to Strenghen the Bench (Glen Davis wouldnt be a bad idea) and or get a better PG.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
    Tyson chandler is NOT worth 9 million a year and Lee will ask for more than 9 million a year and will def get at least 11 to 13 million this year guaranteed....you have to be realistic with the contracts.


    AND

    James won't come to this team with just Lee and Chandler.

    Unless he is in love with NYC

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