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    So if Gallo could end up being enough of a third option, why trade him or Randolph away for a PG when we have a serviceable one right now? What more do we need our PG to do other than run the fast break and run some pick-and-rolls? With Randolph's size, length, and athleticism teamed up with Amar'e we wouldn't really have to worry about cutters and slashers with two big body's who can get stops and alter shots around the rim. Not to mention Turiaf who gives some of the same off the bench.

    So then what incentive do we have to trade away someone who could end up being a solid 3rd option or one of the most freakishly athletic bigs in the game, who happens to have some skill and can refine his offensive game, for a PG? The only upside I can see Paul having in the system would be better court vision, but with the options we'd have on the perimeter and around the paint...would that really matter? Would he have a bad choice to make on any given possession?

    Other than the big name, what tangible differences would there be between our PG's game and CP3's game in this system and is the tangible difference large enough to warrant parting ways with either of the two guys I talked about?

    I dunno, I honestly don't know. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have CP3 on the Knicks. But I'd also love to have Amar'e and Randolph patrolling the paint with Gallo and Felton threats from the perimeter (driving and shooting.)

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    The NBA is definitely still a big man's league. Without a good big, you don't win. Period. Let's look at the last few NBA champs: LA had Pau, BOS had Garnett, Spurs had Duncan, Heat had Shaq, the Pistons had Wallace, Spurs won a bunch with TD, LA won a bunch with Shaq.

    In some cases, the big man in question was not the championship team's leader, as Shaq was the second option on the Heat and Pau is currently LA's second option. However, it is fairly clear that LA and Miami don't win titles, without their bigs. We've seen the decline of the Heat, since Shaq's decline and departure. We have seen the Lakers perform poorly, after Shaq's departure/prior to Pau's arrival.

    Conversely, if we switch point guards around, teams have still won, i.e., Fisher and Ron Harper with LA. The Spurs have won with and without Tony Parker.

    If we're talking about "Jordan-like" players, of course those can make you competitive. However, they need a great big to win it all, because they are not truly on the level of a Michael Jordan. Those who question this, please refer to the Ewing era, during which the media, along with Sprewell and Houston, claimed that the Knicks were better without Ewing.

    Certainly, Spre and H20 were great players. However, upon Ewing's departure, despite having put up good numbers, the Knicks were incapable of winning in the playoffs.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    So if Gallo could end up being enough of a third option, why trade him or Randolph away for a PG when we have a serviceable one right now? What more do we need our PG to do other than run the fast break and run some pick-and-rolls? With Randolph's size, length, and athleticism teamed up with Amar'e we wouldn't really have to worry about cutters and slashers with two big body's who can get stops and alter shots around the rim. Not to mention Turiaf who gives some of the same off the bench.

    So then what incentive do we have to trade away someone who could end up being a solid 3rd option or one of the most freakishly athletic bigs in the game, who happens to have some skill and can refine his offensive game, for a PG? The only upside I can see Paul having in the system would be better court vision, but with the options we'd have on the perimeter and around the paint...would that really matter? Would he have a bad choice to make on any given possession?

    Other than the big name, what tangible differences would there be between our PG's game and CP3's game in this system and is the tangible difference large enough to warrant parting ways with either of the two guys I talked about?

    I dunno, I honestly don't know. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have CP3 on the Knicks. But I'd also love to have Amar'e and Randolph patrolling the paint with Gallo and Felton threats from the perimeter (driving and shooting.)
    Again, I understand your concerns, but I don't think you are giving CP3 enough credit as a player. Felton is a good player, but CP3 is on another level. The biggest argument I could see someone having is that it's really not a pg league anymore, and I can understand that, but let's take a look at the Suns for a sec. Every year they got so close to winning a championship with Nash and Stat with a similar style offense as the Knicks. CP3 is much younger and promising then Nash right now, and Stat is Stat. With CP3 and Stat we could be contenders right now and for the next few years... I don't feel the same way about Felton and CP3 combo.

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    Originally Posted by Dario8676
    Again, I understand your concerns, but I don't think you are giving CP3 enough credit as a player. Felton is a good player, but CP3 is on another level. The biggest argument I could see someone having is that it's really not a pg league anymore, and I can understand that, but let's take a look at the Suns for a sec. Every year they got so close to winning a championship with Nash and Stat with a similar style offense as the Knicks. CP3 is much younger and promising then Nash right now, and Stat is Stat. With CP3 and Stat we could be contenders right now and for the next few years... I don't feel the same way about Felton and CP3 combo.
    I think you meant Felton and Amar'e. See this is the problem I'm having, because I do agree that CP3 and Amar'e would be better than Felton and Amar'e...but i'm saying...how much better and would it warrant losing a player who could give us some help in another area? Would having Randolph and Gallo spread the floor be more beneficial as opposed to not having one, or both, of those players out there? Will the defense be able to collapse into the paint some more because the 6'10'' Gallo isn't stretching the floor and making someone with some relative height stick to him? Will having Gallo (6'10'') and Randolph (almost 7 feet) on the court open up things for STAT because you're going to need length to keep AR boxed out and more length to keep a hand in Gallo's face? Will the other team play big to accomplish that? If so, what happens in the transition game with Felton, STAT, and AR who can all run the court and what about Gallo who can trail and knock down transition 3s?

    Is that same dynamic there because someone from that equation is gone and we now have CP3? If so, is the addition of CP3 but the loss of that dynamic that would be hell on earth to defend, worth it?

    I honestly don't know. I don't mean "I don't know" in that sarcastic way where I'm trying to say it's obviously wrong. But I seriously don't know which situation I'd rather have. I want CP3 on my team, but that dynamic that AR, STAT, Gallo, and Felton would cause, would be devastating on teams. How do you stop 3 guys 6'10'' and they all complement each other's game? One shoots, one dominates the paint, and the other is almost a lock to be more athletic than your bigs and can do a whole host of things. Meanwhile there's small PG who's about as fast as lightning running around while people are making sure STAT doesn't beast, AR is boxed out and taken care of and Gallo doesn't pop a 3, all net.

    That's a sick situation to give up for one player, albeit one beastly as hell player, but still one player which might shrink the defense a little because Amar'e and CP3's game would primarily be around the paint and you'd be missing either that athletic freak that's taller than guards and wingmen, but can move better than most bigs, or you'd be missing that shooter that's taller than most guards and wingmen and would spread the floor and force a big away from the rim.

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    So if Gallo could end up being enough of a third option, why trade him or Randolph away for a PG when we have a serviceable one right now? What more do we need our PG to do other than run the fast break and run some pick-and-rolls? With Randolph's size, length, and athleticism teamed up with Amar'e we wouldn't really have to worry about cutters and slashers with two big body's who can get stops and alter shots around the rim. Not to mention Turiaf who gives some of the same off the bench.

    So then what incentive do we have to trade away someone who could end up being a solid 3rd option or one of the most freakishly athletic bigs in the game, who happens to have some skill and can refine his offensive game, for a PG? The only upside I can see Paul having in the system would be better court vision, but with the options we'd have on the perimeter and around the paint...would that really matter? Would he have a bad choice to make on any given possession?

    Other than the big name, what tangible differences would there be between our PG's game and CP3's game in this system and is the tangible difference large enough to warrant parting ways with either of the two guys I talked about?

    I dunno, I honestly don't know. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have CP3 on the Knicks. But I'd also love to have Amar'e and Randolph patrolling the paint with Gallo and Felton threats from the perimeter (driving and shooting.)
    Dude, you are sooo undervaluing Paul. He is a lock for the HOF. I think he was better than Nash when he was winning MVPs. This guy is like Magic or Isiah. Trust:

    CP3

    Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    05-06 NOK 78 78 36.0 0.430 0.282 0.847 0.8 4.3 5.1 7.8 2.2 0.1 2.35 2.79 16.1
    06-07 NOK 64 64 36.8 0.437 0.350 0.818 0.8 3.5 4.4 8.9 1.8 0.0 2.52 2.41 17.3
    07-08 NOH 80 80 37.6 0.488 0.369 0.851 0.8 3.2 4.0 11.6 2.7 0.0 2.51 2.31 21.1
    08-09 NOH 78 78 38.5 0.503 0.364 0.868 0.9 4.7 5.5 11.0 2.8 0.1 2.96 2.72 22.8
    09-10 NOH 45 45 38.0 0.493 0.409 0.847 0.4 3.8 4.2 10.7 2.1 0.2 2.49 2.62 18.7
    Career -- 345 345 37.3 0.473 0.353 0.848 0.8 3.9 4.7 10.0 2.4 0.1 2.57 2.57 19.3

    Magic

    1979-80 20 LAL NBA 77 36.3 6.5 12.3 .530 0.1 0.4 .226 4.9 6.0 .810 2.2 5.6 7.7 7.3 2.4 0.5 4.0 2.8 18.0
    1980-81 21 LAL NBA 37 37.1 8.4 15.9 .532 0.1 0.5 .176 4.6 6.1 .760 2.7 5.9 8.6 8.6 3.4 0.7 3.9 2.7 21.6
    1981-82 22 LAL NBA 78 77 38.3 7.1 13.3 .537 0.1 0.4 .207 4.2 5.6 .760 3.2 6.4 9.6 9.5 2.7 0.4 3.7 2.9 18.6
    1982-83 23 LAL NBA 79 79 36.8 6.5 11.8 .548 0.0 0.3 .000 3.8 4.8 .800 2.7 5.9 8.6 10.5 2.2 0.6 3.8 2.5 16.8
    1983-84 24 LAL NBA 67 66 38.3 6.6 11.6 .565 0.1 0.4 .207 4.3 5.3 .810 1.5 5.9 7.3 13.1 2.2 0.7 4.6 2.5 17.6
    1984-85 25 LAL NBA 77 77 36.1 6.5 11.7 .561 0.1 0.5 .189 5.1 6.0 .843 1.2 5.0 6.2 12.6 1.5 0.3 4.0 2.0 18.3
    1985-86 26 LAL NBA 72 70 35.8 6.7 12.8 .526 0.1 0.6 .233 5.3 6.0 .871 1.2 4.7 5.9 12.6 1.6 0.2 3.8 1.8 18.8
    1986-87 27 LAL NBA 80 80 36.3 8.5 16.4 .522 0.1 0.5 .205 6.7 7.9 .848 1.5 4.8 6.3 12.2 1.7 0.5 3.8 2.1 23.9
    1987-88 28 LAL NBA 72 70 36.6 6.8 13.8 .492 0.2 0.8 .196 5.8 6.8 .853 1.2 5.0 6.2 11.9 1.6 0.2 3.7 2.0 19.6
    1988-89 29 LAL NBA 77 77 37.5 7.5 14.8 .509 0.8 2.4 .314 6.7 7.3 .911 1.4 6.4 7.9 12.8 1.8 0.3 4.1 2.2 22.5
    1989-90 30 LAL NBA 79 79 37.2 6.9 14.4 .480 1.3 3.5 .384 7.2 8.1 .890 1.6 5.0 6.6 11.5 1.7 0.4 3.7 2.1 22.3
    1990-91 31 LAL NBA 79 79 37.1 5.9 12.4 .477 1.0 3.2 .320 6.6 7.3 .906 1.3 5.6 7.0 12.5 1.3 0.2 4.0 1.9 19.4
    1995-96 36 LAL NBA 32 9 29.9 4.3 9.2 .466 0.7 1.8 .379 5.4 6.3 .856 1.3 4.5 5.7 6.9 0.8 0.4 3.2 1.5 14.6
    Career NBA 906 763 36.7 6.9 13.2 .520 0.4 1.2 .303 5.5 6.5 .848 1.8 5.5 7.2 11.2 1.9 0.4 3.9 2.3 19.5


    He is on pace to have very similar career numbers to Magic.

    In coach's system he would flourish unbelievably.

    I don't know what he could do exactly. I don't want to get into hyperbole, but the possibilities make me giddy!

    Okay, why not add Isiah's numbers too:

    1981-82 20 DET NBA 72 72 33.8 6.3 14.8 .424 0.2 0.8 .288 4.2 6.0 .704 0.8 2.1 2.9 7.8 2.1 0.2 4.2 3.5 17.0
    1982-83 21 DET NBA 81 81 38.2 9.0 19.0 .472 0.4 1.5 .288 4.5 6.4 .710 1.3 2.8 4.0 7.8 2.5 0.4 4.0 3.9 22.9
    1983-84 22 DET NBA 82 82 36.7 8.2 17.7 .462 0.3 0.8 .338 4.7 6.5 .733 1.3 2.7 4.0 11.1 2.5 0.4 3.7 4.0 21.3
    1984-85 23 DET NBA 81 81 38.1 8.0 17.4 .458 0.4 1.4 .257 4.9 6.1 .809 1.4 3.0 4.5 13.9 2.3 0.3 3.7 3.6 21.2
    1985-86 24 DET NBA 77 77 36.2 7.9 16.2 .488 0.3 1.1 .310 4.7 6.0 .790 1.1 2.5 3.6 10.8 2.2 0.3 3.8 3.2 20.9
    1986-87 25 DET NBA 81 81 37.2 7.7 16.7 .463 0.2 1.2 .194 4.9 6.4 .768 1.0 2.9 3.9 10.0 1.9 0.2 4.2 3.1 20.6
    1987-88 26 DET NBA 81 81 36.1 7.7 16.6 .463 0.4 1.2 .309 3.8 4.9 .774 0.8 2.6 3.4 8.4 1.7 0.2 3.4 2.7 19.5
    1988-89 27 DET NBA 80 76 36.6 7.1 15.3 .464 0.4 1.5 .273 3.6 4.4 .818 0.6 2.8 3.4 8.3 1.7 0.3 3.7 2.6 18.2
    1989-90 28 DET NBA 81 81 37.0 7.1 16.3 .438 0.5 1.7 .309 3.6 4.7 .775 0.9 2.9 3.8 9.4 1.7 0.2 4.0 2.5 18.4
    1990-91 29 DET NBA 48 46 34.5 6.0 13.9 .435 0.4 1.4 .292 3.7 4.8 .782 0.7 2.6 3.3 9.3 1.6 0.2 3.9 2.5 16.2
    1991-92 30 DET NBA 78 78 37.4 7.2 16.2 .446 0.3 1.1 .291 3.7 4.8 .772 0.9 2.3 3.2 7.2 1.5 0.2 3.2 2.5 18.5
    1992-93 31 DET NBA 79 79 37.0 6.7 15.9 .418 0.8 2.5 .308 3.5 4.8 .737 0.9 2.0 2.9 8.5 1.6 0.2 3.6 2.8 17.6
    1993-94 32 DET NBA 58 56 30.2 5.5 13.2 .417 0.7 2.2 .310 3.1 4.4 .702 0.8 1.9 2.7 6.9 1.2 0.1 3.5 2.2 14.8
    Career NBA 979 971 36.3 7.3 16.2 .452 0.4 1.4 .290 4.1 5.4 .759 1.0 2.6 3.6 9.3 1.9 0.3 3.8 3.0 19.2

    He's on pace to have better numbers than Zeke!

    CP3s career numbers are alot better than Nash's also. He's a guy who can do it system or not.

    This guy is worth getting NOW!
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    I completely support your pov [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and agree 100 percent. CP3 is a top 5 player in the league and the fact people aren't willing to trade galo and/or chandler or Randolph is just crazy to me.

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    Yea I don't know what people see anymore when they watch basketball games.


    Sometimes numbers really help drive home a point.


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    See...I'm not talking about individual numbers. I'm talking about in the team concept and the overall scheme of things...would what he brings to the court be worth worth giving up other players if what we have right now is serviceable and can cause havoc for a team to defend. This has nothing to do with what he can do individually.

    I'm saying this...5 on 5 basketball, right? If we have 3 guys 6'10'' and above, all doing different things, we have 3 dudes who demand attention. Not because they're superstars (at least not all of them) has nothing to do with Hall of Fame numbers, it's just 3 guys who are damn near 7 feet. How are you going to guard all 3? Play a zone? they all have decent to wet jumpshots, along with Felton who's a decent shooter. Zone; failed. Do you play straight up defense and switch off? Who's switching onto Gallo and can Gallo see clean over his head? Shoot. If it's a big on him on the perimeter who's on the paint helping on Amar'e? Someone that he can muscle out the way? Make your move; beast. Is it the other big on the court? Make your move if it's 1-on-1. Should he miss, who's boxing out AR? Is it now a 2-on-1 rebounding situation with Amar'e and AR because the other legit big is on the perimeter showing on Gallo? Someone grab the board. What if the other team plays big to combat our height? When we're on defense if the other team misses.. where's Felton? Get the ball to him. Everybody run. Gallo trail, and if we can't score in the paint or draw a foul, kick it out to Gallon in transition. Shoot. You get the picture.

    Now if we lose Gallo and have CP3, Amar'e and Randolph that other big is never moved away from the paint and scoring around the rim is tougher, unless suddenly AR becomes a threat from deep; and from what I've seen he has a decent mid-range shot, not Gallo's range to really force a big to commit.

    If we lose AR, then Gallo still stretches the floor but we lose a weak side defender and someone who's going to help gobble up rebounds, which equals less second chance points and more possessions for the opposing team. We also lose someone who's going to run the court on fast breaks who also happens to be one of the tallest dudes on the court, that's a lot of cheap fouls we're not picking up.

    So CP3 brings assists, some on-ball defense and steals, a better run half court offense, and obviously a little bit more production from the PG spot in terms of playmaking and scoring.

    With our current lineup we could dominant the paint, the boards, the transition game, spread the floor like no other team with a dude who's 6'10'' and going to be shooting clear over peoples' heads, we're almost assured to be more athletic at the 4 and 5 every night, get other teams bigs in all sorts of foul trouble, cause mismatches all over the place up the ass, and there's no one defensive set to stop the dynamic created.

    Would I sacrifice the points and assists that CP3 brings to create more of an entire team that can't really be guarded?

    It's all about creating that dynamic with complementary players like the Pats with Welker and Moss. One stretches the D vertically while the other abuses the D with quick cuts in his routes underneath. If you don't have the right personnel and scheme, you're not stopping it. (and I hate the Pats so don't mistake me for a NE fan)

    I don't know which team has 3 dudes with the height, length, and athleticism to stop 3 dudes 6'10'' and above, one of which has a nasty 3 point shot, so you're not playing zone all night.

    While I agree that CP3 is a special player, he wasn't the difference for his team in NO. We saw how Channing Frye was popping off with Nash and STAT, that could be Gallo, but now add a freak of nature like AR and what do we have?

    When it comes to basketball I try to look at names and numbers less and more at how teams would be constructed and what problems they would cause for the defense. And with Felton driving and kicking it out to Gallo, a big coming out to contest and Gallo driving to the rim or dumping it down low, that contesting big is going to be all turned around, now go to work STAT who can score it 1-on-1, get fouled, or force the remaining big to commit to him and make a play for AR who's going to be contested at the rim by someone who's head comes up to his chest? Nah.

    I want to see what we have before anyone goes anywhere. At least in the preseason games. This could be a filthy team dynamic we have here.

    I can't stress enough PG (lightning fast), 2 (dunno who it's gonna be), 3 (6'10'' sniper from outside, can also drive when forced to), 4 (might be the most offensively dominate player at his position), 5 (almost 7 feet, wingspan of something stupid like 7'3'', very athletic and can both help defensively from the weak side as well as rebound...oh and he handles the ball and is a skilled player already at the age of 21)

    If the prospect of that team doesn't get you excited...I don't know about you. If it's all about the big names then fine, so be it, but you have to at least agree that there's a handful of teams in the NBA that would look at that layout right there and go ""
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    I keep changing my mind all the time on if this trade would be a good thing or not.

    The team as it is could be good, but probably not a contender right now

    A team with CP3 would maybe be closer depending on what we have to give up.

    Oh and would getting Okafor be so bad? Doesnt he pretty much cover up Amare's perceived weaknesses in defence and rebounding? I think they would be a good front court. Sure we couldnt get Melo next year but we may not need him if who ever is left out of Gallo/Wilson/Randolph is producing at a reasonable level. Then come December 15 we could try and trade Felton for a shooting guard, Memphis are looking for a point guard and have been shopping Mayo have they not?

    If all went to plan we could have later in the year as a starting line up

    Okafor
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    whoever is left out of Gallo/Wilson/Randolph
    Mayo
    CP3

    that would be nice to see

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    Originally Posted by nuckles2k2
    See...I'm not talking about individual numbers. I'm talking about in the team concept and the overall scheme of things...would what he brings to the court be worth worth giving up other players if what we have right now is serviceable and can cause havoc for a team to defend. This has nothing to do with what he can do individually.

    [I]I'm saying this...5 on 5 basketball, right? If we have 3 guys 6'10'' and above, all doing different things, we have 3 dudes who demand attention. Not because they're superstars (at least not all of them) has nothing to do with Hall of Fame numbers, it's just 3 guys who are damn near 7 feet. How are you going to guard all 3? Play a zone? they all have decent to wet jumpshots, along with Felton who's a decent shooter. Zone; failed. Do you play straight up defense and switch off? Who's switching onto Gallo and can Gallo see clean over his head? Shoot. If it's a big on him on the perimeter who's on the paint helping on Amar'e? Someone that he can muscle out the way? Make your move; beast. Is it the other big on the court? Make your move if it's 1-on-1. Should he miss, who's boxing out AR? Is it now a 2-on-1 rebounding situation with Amar'e and AR because the other legit big is on the perimeter showing on Gallo? Someone grab the board. What if the other team plays big to combat our height? When we're on defense if the other team misses.. where's Felton? Get the ball to him. Everybody run. Gallo trail, and if we can't score in the paint or draw a foul, kick it out to Gallon in transition. Shoot. You get the picture. [/I]

    Now if we lose Gallo and have CP3, Amar'e and Randolph that other big is never moved away from the paint and scoring around the rim is tougher, unless suddenly AR becomes a threat from deep; and from what I've seen he has a decent mid-range shot, not Gallo's range to really force a big to commit.

    If we lose AR, then Gallo still stretches the floor but we lose a weak side defender and someone who's going to help gobble up rebounds, which equals less second chance points and more possessions for the opposing team. We also lose someone who's going to run the court on fast breaks who also happens to be one of the tallest dudes on the court, that's a lot of cheap fouls we're not picking up.

    So CP3 brings assists, some on-ball defense and steals, a better run half court offense, and obviously a little bit more production from the PG spot in terms of playmaking and scoring.

    With our current lineup we could dominant the paint, the boards, the transition game, spread the floor like no other team with a dude who's 6'10'' and going to be shooting clear over peoples' heads, we're almost assured to be more athletic at the 4 and 5 every night, get other teams bigs in all sorts of foul trouble, cause mismatches all over the place up the ass, and there's no one defensive set to stop the dynamic created.

    Would I sacrifice the points and assists that CP3 brings to create more of an entire team that can't really be guarded?

    It's all about creating that dynamic with complementary players like the Pats with Welker and Moss. One stretches the D vertically while the other abuses the D with quick cuts in his routes underneath. If you don't have the right personnel and scheme, you're not stopping it. (and I hate the Pats so don't mistake me for a NE fan)

    I don't know which team has 3 dudes with the height, length, and athleticism to stop 3 dudes 6'10'' and above, one of which has a nasty 3 point shot, so you're not playing zone all night.

    While I agree that CP3 is a special player, he wasn't the difference for his team in NO. We saw how Channing Frye was popping off with Nash and STAT, that could be Gallo, but now add a freak of nature like AR and what do we have?

    When it comes to basketball I try to look at names and numbers less and more at how teams would be constructed and what problems they would cause for the defense. And with Felton driving and kicking it out to Gallo, a big coming out to contest and Gallo driving to the rim or dumping it down low, that contesting big is going to be all turned around, now go to work STAT who can score it 1-on-1, get fouled, or force the remaining big to commit to him and make a play for AR who's going to be contested at the rim by someone who's head comes up to his chest? Nah.

    I want to see what we have before anyone goes anywhere. At least in the preseason games. This could be a filthy team dynamic we have here.

    I can't stress enough PG (lightning fast), 2 (dunno who it's gonna be), 3 (6'10'' sniper from outside, can also drive when forced to), 4 (might be the most offensively dominate player at his position), 5 (almost 7 feet, wingspan of something stupid like 7'3'', very athletic and can both help defensively from the weak side as well as rebound...oh and he handles the ball and is a skilled player already at the age of 21)

    If the prospect of that team doesn't get you excited...I don't know about you. If it's all about the big names then fine, so be it, but you have to at least agree that there's a handful of teams in the NBA that would look at that layout right there and go ""
    Bra, what the ***k was that nonsense?? Have you even seen coach's offense???

    Listen, in coach's offense we run the pick and roll w the PG and PF at the top of the key, two swings on either wing and the C down low. The PG is the focal point of the offense!! The more dynamic the PG, the better this offense runs!! The PF sets a narsty pick and you have CP3 coming off it and becoming the threat that we know he could be w the options he then has:

    He can pass back to Amare if his man helps. If he's freed by the pick and one of the wing defenders comes over to help, he passes it to either Gallo or Azzy or whoever is at the 2, for the open three. If no one helps he only has the C to beat if he comes over, the pass goes to (who would actually be starting, not AR) Turiaf or Oke. If the center stays home -- lay-up. I've seen Nash do this with aplomb too many times in this offense. CP3 would do this and more. Felton would do a competent job as well. The offense would never stagnate.

    Other than that it's just up-tempo, unbeatable transition torture for the other team. A quick pass to Gallo w 4 sec into the shot-clock for a three. Paul comes down and just pulls up, or beats his man, attracts help and kick for an open two or three, usually a three. Give or take a few odd iso's for STAT, Gallo and whoever is at the two.

    That's it~! This offense is simple, yet unstoppable

    All that mumbo-jumbo you typed up there... Man you aught to be ashamed of yo' self.

    It is all about having the best players, not role players.. CP3 would dominate w coach on the Knicks and make everyone around him that much better. The fact that I have to explain this to someone is ridiculous.

    Oh and numbers are important. That's how you WIN! It's all about what each player you have can bring to the table.

    CP3's OR Felton's numbers would either enable us to dominate, ala Phoenix Suns circa mid to late 2k, or what we've seen from this team with Nate, Marbury and Duhon, who couldn't run this offense the past few years.

    CP3 three would bring his HOF numbers to this system. Nash didn't have numbers like his before working w coach, neither does Felton. This guy is special. He's done it on a mediocre team in NO for five years. HE made all of his teammates better.

    Call me crazy but I want that for this team.
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    Gallo is a streaky tall skinny wannabe jump shooter with flawed defensive skills. Amare will be sitting on the pine for some games due to the constant running in D'antoni's system. All the new cats will be wondering if they will be traded because the Boo birds will not wait for another season for their team to gel. The Knicks brass will panic again (as usual) and make some rediculous trade by mid year. CP is probably damage goods but uses all this FA talk to boost his value, (smart hustle move). No one has seen him or this current Knick team play but there are more predictions being tossed around than Nostradamus can even make up.

    My post is actually a prediction too, but probably holds more weight because of the familiar patterns...rebuild, wait and watch for chemistry, advertise the best players (NY media) for a possible future trade or first round pick. Tell the fans we are making great strides, fans get hype of rumers off of Kobe and Jordan coming to the Knicks, Knicks loose out in FA and Draft, fans become irate than become happly delusional when they learn that their weak draft picks played in Rucker park..........wash and repeat.

    I respect fans but I really don't understand the high optimism here, I sure hope people aren't making these predictions just off of paper...or even worse...a video game.

    Fall is almost here, and the truth will be revealed...and no time sooner.

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