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    Originally Posted by shaolin
    LOL! Glenn Robinson has no impacted the Bucks and other teams like Melo did with the Nuggets. The year before his rookie season Denver won 17 games, and his rookie year, they won 43 games. He makes a huge difference. That was without a legit PG, big man, and not much of a bench.

    You have zero credibility.


    How is someone who no credibility and just joined this site is going to tell me I have no credibility?



    You're the same moron who ranks Carmelo over the 2nd best PG in the league in Williams, the MVP's in Nash and Dirk and the best center in the NBA in Dwight Howard. I can't take you seriously. Be gone.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard

    How is someone who no credibility and just joined this site is going to tell me I have no credibility?



    You're the same moron who ranks Carmelo over the 2nd best PG in the league in Williams, the MVP's in Nash and Dirk and the best center in the NBA in Dwight Howard. I can't take you seriously. Be gone.
    LOL! WOW! Didn't mean to hit a nerve. I would rank him over Howard and Williams, and even Dirk. Dirk is a great offensive threat, but is a huge liability on D. I have seen him get burned so many times defensively, whereas Melo can hold his own. Nash, again, a huge defensive liability, but to me is defenitely a top 10. If you like to place Williams above him, then, heh whatever. It's fairly subjective. There is going to be a balance of objectivity and subjectivity in the valuation of anyhing, right? Players, credit risk, price of houses, etc. This is no different. But he is an elite player. Have you seen LBJ try to guard him. Let's say worse case scenario

    1. Kobe
    2. LBJ
    3. Wade
    4. CP3 (only if healthy, if not, he probably isn't top 10)
    5. Durant
    6. Williams
    7. Howard
    8. Melo
    9. Dirk
    10. Nash

    You want to put Dirk and Nash ahead of him, he is still top 10. I just couldn't do that on my list. I think Howard is a game changer. His offensive game is still very underdeveloped that it really affects his ability to make his team that much better on the offensive side. I know he demands double teams at times. But he is a horrible passer and he continually spins or drives himself into trouble. The celtics knew this and make him get himself into trouble. He could be a top 3 guy, but still is far away from that point. I would put Melo over Howard, because his game is so complete. He averaged 30 a game with ease in the past 2 years in the playoffs. Kobe has said that he is the hardest guy he has guarded the past few years. Melo is a defensive nightmare and one of the best pure scorers the past 10 years in the NBA. He has no glarring weakness, but still needs to improve other aspects of his game.

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    anthony shoots a high volume because he has to. this is like the same arguement for allen iverson on the old sixers, with him being a volume shooter, who was he going to pass to? eric snow? matt geiger? tyrone hill? their best shooter had to be aaron mckee and he was on his las leg. Who is melo going to pass to? a streaky jr smith, who hoists 3's more than al harrington? maybe birdman to hit down the mid range jumper, or nene. look at melo on the olympic team, he is a born leader, a go to guy, definitely a max contract kind of player. if he isnt....who is??

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Paul, Durant, Gasol, Nash, Williams, Dirk are all better than Carmelo.

    Carmelo is Glenn Robinson in a high paced offense, I'm telling you guys.
    Melo is a much better scorer and player than Robinson AND let's not forget that the Bucks only had 1 good season when they won 52 games with him.

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    I don't think the article takes into account Melo's free throws. This guy gets to the line pretty easily due to how hard it is to guard him.

    Its not all wrong. He isn't a good 3 shooter. He does go a little too shot happy, but thats also due to the coaching staff.

    I think if he just posted up more, he'd be unstoppable and build up his shot %. This guy is unstoppable inside. He can shut down his man on the rare occasion where he feels up to it, but he rarely wants to spend energy there.

    Hes a star, but I don't think he's top 5 until he proves he can make his teammates better.

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    Top 5 NBA players
    1. Dwyane Wade
    2. Kobe Bryant
    3. Carmelo Anthony & Lebron James
    4. Kevin Durant
    5. Pau Gasol

    How is Carmelo Anthony not elite?

    Anthony is, in my opinion, better than Lebron. The only reason I tied him with Lebron is, because Lebron made the NBA finals. Had he not made the finals, Anthony would be one spot above him. And I'd take Durant or Gasol over Lebuhon any day. Lebuhon is a certified choke artist, and he will show this, once again, in the 2011 playoffs. Lucky for him, Dwyane Wade is one of the most clutch players in the NBA, and Bosh can give you 20 ppg in the playoffs, consistently.

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    'Melo's better than Pau? Compared to other forwards, Anthony's pretty good. He's fast, he's got good strength, is just as tall... does he still take his eyes off the ball? If his keeps his turnovers low, 'Melo's a good fit with most teams -- at the very least as their #2 option.

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    I'm shocked that such an article came from ESPN. Is the author of this read blind...or even watching basketball? Does he/she even know what he had to work with in Denver? If he became a knick not only will he be playing along side some better pieces...the fact that MSG and NY being his home town will motivate him to be a more complete baller, there's no doubt in my mind about that...

    CP3 is a risk factor. He was injure, missed many games, just had surgery, most likely rusty...and has the potential to wear out his injured knee running in D'Antoni's system . It's bad enough Amare will have to endure the running system on suspect legs...no need for 2 wounded vets to be riding the pine with ice packs on the knees...not a good look.

    Imo. I woud wait to see what cp3 has left in the tank before glorifying his game when in fact it might be none exsistant. Besides, his presence isn't really needed as much as the Knicks are going to need big men in this conference.

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    How any moron could suggest one of the league's best scorers is a non-elite player is beyond me.

    I wouldn't put him top 5 by any means, but easily top 10-15. In a league with around 400 players, how is top 15 NOT elite?

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    Haha this is just ANOTHER case of the media hating on NYC since it looks like we have a legit shot of getting Melo.

    Seriously I wonder why these guys have such a chip on their shoulder about the Knicks.

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    He's in the top 10-top 15 range. He is not a top 5 player at all. He is either at the end of the top 10 or in the higher end of the top 15. Likely between 8-13 overall. 3rd best SF in the league behind LeBron and Durant, who is basically a more efficient Melo (high volume scorer, meh playmaker, defender, similar rebounders)

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    Originally Posted by NYKnicks11
    He's in the top 10-top 15 range. He is not a top 5 player at all. He is either at the end of the top 10 or in the higher end of the top 15. Likely between 8-13 overall. 3rd best SF in the league behind LeBron and Durant, who is basically a more efficient Melo (high volume scorer, meh playmaker, defender, similar rebounders)
    He is not better than Iggy.

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    He is not better than Iggy.
    Your mad dumb I know you did not just say Melo is not better than Iggy

    You mean on defense or athletically right?

    Because he's better than Iggy in literally every other facet of the game there's a reason this year was Andre Iguadalas first as an all-star and he's never led his team past the first round and doesn't even lead his team in scoring.

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    Iggy has been the perimeter defender in the NBA in the last couple of years. He's the Derrell Revis of the NBA. Add that to his all around game and you have a better player.

    Iggy is actually quite underrated. I love his game. Doesn't need to score to make an impact. He's a mini LeBron.

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