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    Donnie Walsh nearly resigned from New York Knicks upon learning of hiring of Isiah Thomas

    BY Frank Isola
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
    Sunday, August 8th 2010, 4:00 AM


    Isiah Thomas nearly climbed the corporate ladder from consultant to Knicks president on Day 1 of his new job with the club.
    The Daily News has learned that Donnie Walsh considered resigning after Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan made the controversial move to hire Thomas, but Walsh decided to continue running the team despite his objections to Thomas having a role in the front office.
    "Donnie finds this entire thing distasteful," said one NBA source. "He's had second thoughts about staying but he wants to finish the job."
    Walsh, who did not return phone calls yesterday, is under contract through 2012. Last month, he denied a published report that he was contemplating retirement for health reasons.

    Dolan's insistence on giving Thomas the ambiguous title of consultant angered Walsh, who for two years has been trying to hire former St. John's All-American Chris Mullin as general manager. Dolan has refused to sign off on hiring Mullin and clearly has designs on giving that position to Thomas, who also holds the title of head coach at Florida International University in Miami.

    The News reported yesterday that Dolan advised Walsh to hire Thomas as his general manager two weeks ago. When Walsh refused, Dolan decided to make Thomas a consultant, a move that was universally panned by several of Dolan's top executives, according to sources.

    Besides Walsh and Knicks head coach Mike D'Antoni being against the move, Garden vice chairman Hank Ratner and Garden president Scott O'Neil voiced their displeasure but were overruled by Dolan, sources said.
    The Thomas-Dolan relationship is baffling to many, but the two men grew closer after a former female executive at the Garden accused Thomas of sexual harassment in the workplace. The Garden was found liable in the case and eventually settled out of court with Anucha Browne Sanders for $11.6 million.

    Thomas has been plotting his return to the Garden since the day Walsh replaced him in April of 2008, and began to put on the full-court press two months ago. Thomas volunteered to help the Knicks in their recruitment of free agents this summer and almost immediately became Dolan's most trusted confidant on matters concerning LeBron James.

    When Dolan's band, JD And The Straight Shot, was touring out west in June, Thomas set up a meeting between Dolan and a top Nike executive at the company's headquarters in Beaverton, Ore. According to a source close to Dolan, Thomas said the Nike executive could help the Knicks land James, who was scheduled to become a free agent on July 1.

    Thomas apparently sealed his return to the Knicks when he was a guest at a Fourth of July party at Dolan's estate on Long Island. According to several guests at the party, Thomas never left Dolan's side and "was working him the entire time. It was incredible."

    Amar'e Stoudemire was also in attendance that day after having made the decision to accept the Knicks' five-year, $100 million contract, a deal that no other team, including the Phoenix Suns, was willing to match.
    At Stoudemire's introductory press conference, Dolan instructed Walsh to publicly thank Thomas for his assistance in recruiting Stoudemire. There are conflicting accounts on what role, if any, Thomas had in helping the Knicks land Stoudemire, who had previously played for D'Antoni in Phoenix. Most league executives acknowledge that Stoudemire simply went to the highest bidder. In fact, Stoudemire's agent, Happy Walters, said in July that Stoudemire hadn't even spoken to Thomas until Dolan's July 4 bash.
    But in an awkward joint statement from Walsh and Dolan that the Knicks released on Friday, the club again credited Thomas with helping it sign Stoudemire. Walsh, according to a source, was told he had to have Thomas' name attached to the statement.

    Three days after Dolan's party, Thomas compromised Walsh's and D'Antoni's power by volunteering to meet with an unidentified associate of James in Ohio in a last-ditch effort to convince James to sign with the Knicks. The mystery associate wasn't James' business manager, Maverick Carter, or his agent, Leon Rose. Nor did Thomas meet with James' confidant, William Wesley, who is most commonly referred to as World Wide Wes.

    The Knicks believe that the mystery man may have been Steve Stoute, a New York-based record executive who may be best remembered for being beaten up by rapper Sean (Diddy) Combs in Times Square 11years ago. Stoute also serves as an adviser to James.

    Regardless, Thomas' visit failed to make much of an impression on James, who eventually signed with the Miami Heat. In the aftermath of the Knicks failing to sign James or Dwyane Wade, Thomas used the opportunity to make his case to Dolan that Walsh and D'Antoni don't have street credibility with today's young NBA stars, their agents and their entourages.

    Dolan concurred and felt compelled to rehire Thomas, especially with the Knicks in position to sign at least one major free agent next summer. The Knicks believe they have a chance to land Denver's Carmelo Anthony and possibly pursue the Hornets' Chris Paul the following summer. Thomas has told Dolan he can deliver both players.

    Coincidentally, Paul has drawn favorable comparisons to Thomas, an all-time top 50 player. But the Knicks may already have a famous guard capable of recruiting Paul to New York: Paul's grandfather idolized Earl Monroe and told his grandson stories about the legendary guard who starred at Winston-Salem State. Paul attended college at nearby Wake Forest.

    For years, Thomas has worked the angle that because current NBA players still idolize him, they will want to play for him. He felt he scored a minor victory when Kobe Bryant invited the Knicks to his home in Newport, Calif., several years ago when the Lakers star was a free agent. The Knicks could offer Bryant only the mid-level exception, which to Thomas meant that Bryant would consider taking a huge pay cut only because Thomas was running the team.

    From all indications, Thomas will eventually return to his old job with the Knicks. Under his agreement, Thomas is not supposed to attend Knick games, especially in New York. But he does have free rein to telephone Dolan whenever he sees fit.

    "When the Knicks lose two games in a row he'll be on the phone with Dolan and Donnie saying, 'This is all D'Antoni's fault,'" one Knicks official said. "And if they lose three games he'll be on the phone with Dolan and Mike saying, 'This is all Donnie's fault.' That's Isiah."

    This makes me want to puke. Isiah will be the next GM. He is a snake and he has Dolan's ear. Ever since Lebron chose Miami, Isiah has been telling Dolan what a failure Donnie is.

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    Sickening. Sell the Knicks Dolan. If you really love the team, walk away.

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    this is not good!

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    Why wasnt Pritchard hired 2 weeks before being FIRED!!!

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    Why wasnt Pritchard hired 2 weeks before being FIRED!!!
    One word. Dolan.

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    dolan is 5 words

    dic$
    offensive
    lame
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    nincompoop

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    Is Thomas butt ****ing Dolan? Maybe he wants his boyfriend nearby. What a joke! For some reason I believe the validity of the article.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    This makes me want to puke. Isiah will be the next GM. He is a snake and he has Dolan's ear. Ever since Lebron chose Miami, Isiah has been telling Dolan what a failure Donnie is.
    WHAT THE HELL IS THIS B.S? Are you kidding me? This is a disgrace and is a circus, A CLOWN SHOW! If anybody has faith in Isiah Thomas they need to be examined! Its comical I heard Steve Stout's name in this article! These guys are all morons if this article has any truth to it!

    Are we suppose to believe this just because it is being reported. I know this guy has his sources when hes talking about the knicks, but that doesent make this true!

    You don't need street credibillity in The NBA! It's a business not a corner where people slang things! It's New York, it sells it self with its credibility as being the most prominent city in the U.S. With it's cap room and recent success of getting quality players and maintaining a respectable coach and hiring a prominent gm, the Knicks must be picky and choosy with what they spend there money and time with. Isiah failed miserably and should be left to fend for himself in his future endeavors. It's that plain and simple and anyone that doesent acknowledge that is living far from reality! This is a disgrace and the owner needs to admit it or SELL THE TEAM! I'm fed up with this b.s.! I was just starting to think they are finally playing it smart. I can except them losing as long as they do it without Isiah! This is Horrible! This is why it's embarrassing being a Knick fan sometimes!

    Wake up Dolan! YOUR IGNORANCE IS AMAZING!

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    Isiah's street cred:

    151 - 259

    Knicks record for the full seasons where he was our GM.

    There you go.

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    Dolan is a guarantee that we will never win a title. Hopefully he doesn't have a son as incompetent as his father did. Hopefully he didn't pro-create, period.

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    It's all biz. Dolon is smarter than most people give him credit for. I'm into business too and most sucessful businesses flurish due to sacrificing. The public opinion is often never the deciding factor. Most fans don't understand the biz side of things. Walsh and D'Antonio aren't respected enough to bait in the big fish, and this is the SOLE reason why Zeke is in the mix. Just look at what was brought in over the summer...Dolon wants more for his bucks (elite players) so he's using Zeke to fish CP3 and Mello.

    Dolon, Zeke, Walsh, And Antonio need to put differences a side and use their special talents to making the team NY deserves. F#$% what a fan has to say about the internal circus in the Knicks organiztion. The sorry ass media does not get my underpants in a bunch like most panzy panty wearing fans who have nothing else better to do than to pretend like they know how easy and hard it is to run a professional sports team.


    What players do off the court I can give 2 ****s about, what Zeke and the administration is doing behind close doors...I can give 3 ****s about it. What Wlah D'Antonio and Zeke thinks about each other...I can give 4 ****s about it. I can clog a comode with all the BS people (so called fans) choose to make an issue out of. All I care about is a Great team that will compete


    The Knicks could trade away Gallinari and someone else for Carmelo this year or Denver <ST1</ST1will risk loosing out on everything next year because Carmelo will not sign the extension. This is why Zeke is in the mix. He’s there to persuade the elite players because neither Walsh nor D’Antonio is savvy or respected enough to attract the big fish. Dolon knows this…Walsh may be able to clean up some financial issues but that’s about it. Ego's will hinder this team more than anything else.

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    It's all biz. Dolon is smarter than most people give him credit for. I'm into business too and most sucessful businesses flurish due to sacrificing. The public opinion is often never the deciding factor. Most fans don't understand the biz side of things. Walsh and D'Antonio aren't respected enough to bait in the big fish, and this is the SOLE reason why Zeke is in the mix. Just look at what was brought in over the summer...Dolon wants more for his bucks (elite players) so he's using Zeke to fish CP3 and Mello.

    Dolon, Zeke, Walsh, And Antonio need to put differences a side and use their special talents to making the team NY deserves. F#$% what a fan has to say about the internal circus in the Knicks organiztion. The sorry ass media does not get my underpants in a bunch like most panzy panty wearing fans who have nothing else better to do than to pretend like they know how easy and hard it is to run a professional sports team.


    What players do off the court I can give 2 ****s about, what Zeke and the administration is doing behind close doors...I can give 3 ****s about it. What Wlah D'Antonio and Zeke thinks about each other...I can give 4 ****s about it. I can clog a comode with all the BS people (so called fans) choose to make an issue out of. All I care about is a Great team that will compete


    The Knicks could trade away Gallinari and someone else for Carmelo this year or Denver <ST1</ST1will risk loosing out on everything next year because Carmelo will not sign the extension. This is why Zeke is in the mix. He’s there to persuade the elite players because neither Walsh nor D’Antonio is savvy or respected enough to attract the big fish. Dolon knows this…Walsh may be able to clean up some financial issues but that’s about it. Ego's will hinder this team more than anything else.

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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    It's all biz. Dolon is smarter than most people give him credit for. I'm into business too and most sucessful businesses flurish due to sacrificing. The public opinion is often never the deciding factor. Most fans don't understand the biz side of things. Walsh and D'Antonio aren't respected enough to bait in the big fish, and this is the SOLE reason why Zeke is in the mix. Just look at what was brought in over the summer...Dolon wants more for his bucks (elite players) so he's using Zeke to fish CP3 and Mello.

    Dolon, Zeke, Walsh, And Antonio need to put differences a side and use their special talents to making the team NY deserves. F#$% what a fan has to say about the internal circus in the Knicks organiztion. The sorry ass media does not get my underpants in a bunch like most panzy panty wearing fans who have nothing else better to do than to pretend like they know how easy and hard it is to run a professional sports team.


    What players do off the court I can give 2 ****s about, what Zeke and the administration is doing behind close doors...I can give 3 ****s about it. What Wlah D'Antonio and Zeke thinks about each other...I can give 4 ****s about it. I can clog a comode with all the BS people (so called fans) choose to make an issue out of. All I care about is a Great team that will compete


    The Knicks could trade away Gallinari and someone else for Carmelo this year or Denver <ST1</ST1will risk loosing out on everything next year because Carmelo will not sign the extension. This is why Zeke is in the mix. He’s there to persuade the elite players because neither Walsh nor D’Antonio is savvy or respected enough to attract the big fish. Dolon knows this…Walsh may be able to clean up some financial issues but that’s about it. Ego's will hinder this team more than anything else.

    PYP - Play. your. part


    dude...... i dont know what u been smoking but ur going need to past that around to get me to believe that thomas can be any help at all ........ lol u said dolemite was succesful.....lol..... AT WHAT!!!! running daddys company???? the only succesful think he done was be born to daddy rich......i take that back..... he has been succesful at one thing......destroying the NEW YORK knicks..... hes done a very good job at that!!!!!!!
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    Originally Posted by gaknickfan
    dude...... i dont know what u been smoking but ur going need to past that around to get me to believe that thomas can be any help at all ........ lol u said dolemite was succesful.....lol..... AT WHAT!!!! running daddys company???? the only succesful think he done was be born to daddy rich......i take that back..... he has been succesful at one thing......destroying the NEW YORK knicks..... hes done a very good job at that!!!!!!!
    I don't know what I should be laughing more at: the lessons of business or the justification of letting Isiah make any decisions re: basketball operations. It's like no one else can judge talent or recruit better than this guy. He is the best we can do, and without him, we will lose out on many future free agents. F out of here! I am really tired of hearing any reasons as to why it is good that Isiah helps the Knicks.

    And just because someone is running a business or overseeing the operations does not mean they know what they are doing. Sure, he knows how to make money. It's hard not to when running a team like the Knicks that is located in one of the world's largest markets. It's not like you have to advertise to sellout. Just because Kozlowski was the CEO of tyco, it didn't mean he was good for its business growth. The Yankees could fail and still be the most profitable team in MLB. Still, it does not mean that the owners necessarily know how to run a baseball team well. Actually, once Steinbrenner's sons shut up and let Cashman and girardi run the show, look what happened. Dolan can oversee the business, but let Walsh take care of the operations, including making the hiring decisions. Let's not kid ourselves, Dolan is a clown that is not equipped with the knowhow of running a successful basketball team - that is what I am convinced of.
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    Originally Posted by Real NY Baller
    It's all biz. Dolon is smarter than most people give him credit for. I'm into business too and most sucessful businesses flurish due to sacrificing. The public opinion is often never the deciding factor. Most fans don't understand the biz side of things. Walsh and D'Antonio aren't respected enough to bait in the big fish, and this is the SOLE reason why Zeke is in the mix. Just look at what was brought in over the summer...Dolon wants more for his bucks (elite players) so he's using Zeke to fish CP3 and Mello.

    Dolon, Zeke, Walsh, And Antonio need to put differences a side and use their special talents to making the team NY deserves. F#$% what a fan has to say about the internal circus in the Knicks organiztion. The sorry ass media does not get my underpants in a bunch like most panzy panty wearing fans who have nothing else better to do than to pretend like they know how easy and hard it is to run a professional sports team.


    What players do off the court I can give 2 ****s about, what Zeke and the administration is doing behind close doors...I can give 3 ****s about it. What Wlah D'Antonio and Zeke thinks about each other...I can give 4 ****s about it. I can clog a comode with all the BS people (so called fans) choose to make an issue out of. All I care about is a Great team that will compete


    The Knicks could trade away Gallinari and someone else for Carmelo this year or Denver <ST1</ST1will risk loosing out on everything next year because Carmelo will not sign the extension. This is why Zeke is in the mix. He’s there to persuade the elite players because neither Walsh nor D’Antonio is savvy or respected enough to attract the big fish. Dolon knows this…Walsh may be able to clean up some financial issues but that’s about it. Ego's will hinder this team more than anything else.

    PYP - Play. your. part
    LOL who have you been taking your lessons on business from? The CEO of BP?

    Actually in 99.9% of business the public opinion of you matters a LOT, they are the customer and the most important aspect of any business is the customer.

    Back to school you go

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